Re: [SLUG] great code to learn from

2005-09-26 Thread Glen Turner
Taryn East wrote: What FOSS projects (or parts therof) do you know that have really great code in them? The kind of excellent code that a person with reasonable but not brilliant skills could read/study and learn nifty things from? Samba. It's in C, it solves a non-trivial problem in such a

Re: [SLUG] Dual PCI NIC?

2005-09-26 Thread David Kempe
I'd steer clear of D-Link, at least the 580-TX. It caused us nothing but trouble.. we ended up buying quad intel cards instead and have had no problem with them. http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/2003q4/010847.html I had problems with the old sundance driver which that post is

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Grant Parnell wrote: For this Friday's SLUG meeting we're doing a newbie oriented talk for the second half of the meeting and SLUGlets will be where all the tech guru's head for a chat on random stuff like coding and key signing etc. It just occurred to me that we should get a run-down of

Re: [SLUG] (OT) Looking for supplier of small computer parts

2005-09-26 Thread James
On Monday 26 September 2005 17:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, I am looking for a supplier of single board computers to play with embedded linux and home automation. The  box will be put into a living room so it should be similar to a DVD player. I need to incorporate a GSM module

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:57, Grant Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For this Friday's SLUG meeting we're doing a newbie oriented talk for the second half of the meeting and SLUGlets will be where all the tech guru's head for a chat on random stuff like coding and key signing etc. It just

Re: [SLUG] Re: Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:58, Ben Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant Parnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered the following thing: xv (old, small image viewer) Ye!! In the 11 (yes eleven) years since its last release, I have found nothing to be faster, smaller or more convenient than XV.

Re: [SLUG] request contact from computerbank

2005-09-26 Thread Grant Parnell
Well Dan's still working on the website(s) so things might be up by now. I've been doing a lot of stuff and have joined the committee. Perhaps I can field some questions you have for now. In terms of donation, yep we should be able to accept some stuff again soonish. We're aiming to get a

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Pia Waugh
quote who=Grant Parnell For starters what apps do you tend to use the most? Here's my top 10 list:- gnome-terminal firefox (squirrelmail,google) gimp openoffice evince gaim evolution palm sync xchat rhythmbox I also suggest showing off f-spot, totem, and some cool stuff like celestia,

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Ken Foskey
On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 15:57 +1000, Grant Parnell wrote: gnome-terminal firefox (squirrelmail,google) qfaxreader nautilus xv (old, small image viewer) gimp openoffice nagit's openoffice.org /nag gnumeric xmms grip evolution terminal server client (remote desktop for windows) project

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Peter Miller
On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 19:45 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: I'll bite :-). My somewhat unorthodox list: gcc of course. Plus: vim - because my 20-something year unix veteran fingers already know the key strokes Valgrind How did we ever live without it? wget / curl - because

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Hal Ashburner
Desktop apps? For this I read gui, gentle learning curve, suitable for people who dislike learning about the computer. In no special order the ones I use regularly and like are firefox rhythmbox sound juicer sweep gqview wesnoth oowriter or abiword (equally good in different ways) lifrea xine

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Graham Smith
Konqueror - using fish to transfer files - fish://user@host Konqueror - to display man/info pages freenx -- Regards, Graham Smith -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Peter Miller wrote: C offers you enough rope to hang yourself. C++ offers a fully equipped firing squad, a last cigarette and a blindfold. and better type safety that sh, tcl, php and a shit load of other advanced make-the- type-up- at-run-time you-can-only-find- bugs-by-

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread QuantumG
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Thats why I'm so keen on O'Caml. It offers even more static analysis than C and C++. Its significantly more difficult to write bugs into an O'Caml program than a C or C++ program. Sounds like the antithesis of Objective-C and other dynamically typed languages.

dynamic vs static type checking (was Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps)

2005-09-26 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
QuantumG wrote: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Thats why I'm so keen on O'Caml. It offers even more static analysis than C and C++. Its significantly more difficult to write bugs into an O'Caml program than a C or C++ program. Sounds like the antithesis of Objective-C and other dynamically

Re: dynamic vs static type checking (was Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps)

2005-09-26 Thread Bruce Badger
On 9/27/05, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with dynamic typing is that it postones testing for an important class of errors (type errors) until run time. Nah. In fact the oposite is true. Static typing is just another form of premature optimisation! I make extensive

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread yiz
C offers you enough rope to hang yourself. C++ offers a fully equipped firing squad, a last cigarette and a blindfold. Our system architect calls me crazy, But coding in C makes me feel pretty. Since I always remotely log on to a linux box, I am command line junkie. The things I use most

[SLUG] local Ubuntu apt server

2005-09-26 Thread Carlo Sogono
I need to setup a local Ubuntu apt server but don't know where to start. I need something that syncs with official Ubuntu servers but I only want it to sync packages I define. Is this possible? Thanks,Carlo This email

[SLUG] Monthly Meeting: Friday, September 30th

2005-09-26 Thread Chris Deigan
When: Friday, September 30, 7:00pm - 9:30pm Where: UTS Broadway SLUG's monthly meeting featuring talks and SLUGlets. Meetings are open to the general public, and free of charge. Room 2.4.10 (Building 2, Level 4, Room 10), at UTS Broadway (There is a map of UTS availible here).

[SLUG] BSD packages on Linux installation ????

2005-09-26 Thread pesoy misak
Hi all Slugger I am wondering about FreeBSD tgz binary packages is compatible with linux distros such as debian or fedora. and also can i just unpack the bsd package and run them on any of these two linux distros many thanks in advance

Re: dynamic vs static type checking (was Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps)

2005-09-26 Thread Bruce Badger
On 9/27/05, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are large classes of problems where running speed is an important issue. Static typing does make for faster run times and in cases where that moves your program from being too slow to being fast enough, that is not a premature

[SLUG] Re: local Ubuntu apt server

2005-09-26 Thread Mary Gardiner
On 2005-09-27, Carlo Sogono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to setup a local Ubuntu apt server but don't = know where to start. I need something that syncs with official Ubuntu servers = but I only want it to sync packages I define. Is this possible? I searched Google for setting up a partial

[SLUG] Re: local Ubuntu apt server

2005-09-26 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 11:16:24AM +1000, Carlo Sogono wrote: I need to setup a local Ubuntu apt server but don't know where to start. I need something that syncs with official Ubuntu servers but I only want it to sync packages I define. Is this possible? You want apt-proxy. - Matt

Re: dynamic vs static type checking (was Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps)

2005-09-26 Thread yiz
However, other dynamically typed languages like Python, php and to a lesser extent Perl do not have anywhere near as sane a system. I suspect that the Smalltalk equivalent of the following Python code might actually do the right thing: a = [ 1, help ] b = a + 10 but Python squeals like

[SLUG] Re: dynamic vs static type checking

2005-09-26 Thread Peter Miller
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 12:00 +1000, Bruce Badger wrote: [good things about run-time behaviour of modern interpretive languages] This isn't my gripe, and I'm not certain it's Erik's, either. I don't care when in the process the code is compiled (well, I do, for embedded code) so long as I don't

[SLUG] Laptop and lspci results

2005-09-26 Thread Bill
Have just tried an MSI M510c notebook with Kanotix (Debian) 2005.03 lite and viewing the results of lspci determined that Kanotix found all of the hardware. Does this mean that I can expect that everything that was found will work ? Or does it mean that hardware detection has worked and

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread O Plameras
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Peter Miller wrote: C offers you enough rope to hang yourself. C++ offers a fully equipped firing squad, a last cigarette and a blindfold. and better type safety that sh, tcl, php and a shit load of other advanced make-the- type-up- at-run-time

Re: dynamic vs static type checking (was Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps)

2005-09-26 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, other dynamically typed languages like Python, php and to a lesser extent Perl do not have anywhere near as sane a system. I suspect that the Smalltalk equivalent of the following Python code might actually do the right thing: a = [ 1, help ]

Re: [SLUG] BSD packages on Linux installation ????

2005-09-26 Thread Christopher JS Vance
On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 06:26:46PM -0700, pesoy misak wrote: I am wondering about FreeBSD tgz binary packages is compatible with linux distros such as debian or fedora. and also can i just unpack the bsd package and run them on any of these two linux distros No. Explanation follows. BSD

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
O Plameras wrote: I do not know O'Caml, so I just want to ask the equivalent of ff code. Probably the best place to get an idea of the language is the Pleac project: http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_ocaml/index.html I can RTFM but if I can see the equivalent of this code, it'd be

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread QuantumG
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: You will notice that something like the Array.mapi function is much less likely to contain errors than the C for loop. What I noticed is that they invented syntax when they could have just as easily have used C syntax. Way to knife your language. Trent --

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Bruce Badger
On 9/27/05, O Plameras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can RTFM but if I can see the equivalent of this code, it'd be helpful. I wish to have a quick idea of the language. #include stdio.h int integer_array[] = {1,-2,3,-4,5,-6,-7,8,-9,32727000}; int *ptr; int main(void) { int i;

Re: [SLUG] Your top-ten linux desktop apps

2005-09-26 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
Grant Parnell wrote: For starters what apps do you tend to use the most? xterminal leafpad firefox thunderbird nautilus gaim gimp vim f-spot Although more recently i've been using epiphany instead of firefox, due to its lighter feel. I'm slowly moving away from nautilus to thunar (an xfce

Re: [SLUG] Re: dynamic vs static type checking

2005-09-26 Thread Bruce Badger
On 9/27/05, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 12:00 +1000, Bruce Badger wrote: As a developer intent on doing the best job possible, I want to discover whole classes of bugs long before the corresponding unit test is executed. (E.g. my keyboard can't spel.) I