ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Steve Lindsay
On 11/23/05, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I agree wholeheartedly that tests are necessay, I'm curious why you are advocating writing Python tests to find bugs at run time that say an Ocaml compiler will find for free at compile time. While I would agree that catching

[SLUG] boot file.

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Maloney
Hi all, I am having trouble editing my grub boot file. I can log on as su - and change to the dir. but when I try to edit the grub.conf file all I get is a blank screen with grub.conf 1L, 1C on the bottom line. What am I doing wrong. Paul. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List -

Re: [SLUG] Email Cascading?

2005-11-23 Thread David Kempe
Kevin Fitzgerald wrote: I want to set it up so that scalix.company.dyndns.org periodically goes to mail.company.com.au, gets the mail and puts it in the appropriate mailboxes. I know that one way to do this would be set up forwarders at mail.company.com.au but this does not actually clear the

Re: ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Steve Lindsay wrote: While I would agree that catching any bugs asap is a good thing, I find that typos and the like are not the problems that are causing me most grief (crappy logic, crappy requirements, not enough time, other developers writing crappy code, etc are more likely to cause me

Re: ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Steve Lindsay
On 11/23/05, Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lots of interesting stuff Cool, thanks Erik. Will check it out. CheersSteve -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] boot file.

2005-11-23 Thread O Plameras
Paul Maloney wrote: Hi all, I am having trouble editing my grub boot file. I can log on as su - and change to the dir. but when I try to edit the grub.conf file all I get is a blank screen with grub.conf 1L, 1C on the bottom line. This means your file has exactly 1 character(perhaps a

Three free C books on offer (was Re: [SLUG] C Gurus)

2005-11-23 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
O Plameras wrote: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: If you come to the SLUG meeting on Friday, I will bring you a copy of this book so you can see for yourself. If you then publically admit that you were wrong on this issue you can keep the book [1]. It's nice of you to make that offer.

[SLUG] I hate udev!

2005-11-23 Thread jam
On Wednesday 23 November 2005 13:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Catchy Subject? rant emotion=annoyed sanity=atrisk Yes I hate udev because if my server is rebooted and the tape drive isn't switched on then the entries in /dev/ such as nst0 don't get created. Then my backup fails or worse the

Re: [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Robert Collins
On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 18:18 +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Robert Collins wrote: However, Perl, Python and Ruby are also often the wrong language. [try finding variable name spellos or type parity problems quickly in these languages - in a nice polite language like C, the compiler

Re: ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Del
Steve Lindsay wrote: Python works for me because: a) i (and others) write less code because the language is very expressive. therefore less bugs Gra. Grammar fascist attack coming up: Less is a measure of quality not quantity. So by saying there are less bugs what you are implying is

Re: ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Denis Crowdy
Should probably move this to [chat]... On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 10:42:54PM +1100, Del wrote: Steve Lindsay wrote: Python works for me because: a) i (and others) write less code because the language is very expressive. therefore less bugs Gra. Grammar fascist attack coming up: Less

Re: ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Denis Crowdy Dictionaries, and therefore definitions, are constructed through analysis of usage. That would throw a spanner in the works for compiler writers wouldn't it? Good morning, Perl 6! - Jeff -- Ubuntu USA Europe Tour: Oct-Nov 2005http://wiki.ubuntu.com/3BT

[SLUG] debian developers perth

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Wise
Hi all, To all the Debian Developers on the list: Please consider sunny Perth for a holiday destination this Christmas! Visit the coral reefs, the surf, the forests and the forest dunes! That way you could sign my GPG key while you are over here :) -- bye, pabs

Re: Three free C books on offer (was Re: [SLUG] C Gurus)

2005-11-23 Thread O Plameras
Russell Davie qualifies. Give him 21 days and we'll see how he goes. I'll email him to see how he goes after 21 days. And so 24 more books to go. To Russell: Congratulations you have reasonable case to receive this offer with the brief you have provided. Please provide a photo of the Back

Re: Three free C books on offer (was Re: [SLUG] C Gurus)

2005-11-23 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
O Plameras wrote: I did not receive Erik's original email on this can you re-send it to me, please ? http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2005/11/msg00511.html Erik -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo

Re: [SLUG] I hate udev!

2005-11-23 Thread prundle
1) Turning on your tape drive should create the dev entries Nope didn't do it. The tape drive is a scsi device and the hotplug or whatever that this udev is supposed to be designed to work with obviously doesn't see it / detect it. Not surprising really I don't ever recall that a scsi device

Re: [SLUG] Thunderbird

2005-11-23 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SLUG, This morning I have tried to open Thunderbird only to find it won't open. I click on Thunderbird, and my desktop thinks about it, but somehow won't load up my default profile. I have important e-mails that I can't afford to lose.

Re: [SLUG] Code name C

2005-11-23 Thread Ken Foskey
On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 13:13 +1100, Benno wrote: On Tue Nov 22, 2005 at 19:47:51 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - char* somefunction() { char string2[] = some words; return string2; } -- doesn't In this case

Re: [SLUG] I hate udev!

2005-11-23 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 06:58 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Turning on your tape drive should create the dev entries Nope didn't do it. The tape drive is a scsi device and the hotplug or whatever that this udev is supposed to be designed to work with obviously doesn't see it / detect

Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly Meeting: November, 2005

2005-11-23 Thread Robert Collins
On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 15:00 +1100, Taryn East wrote: Hi all, * Chris Deigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: 8:20pm (approx): Split into two groups for: * Special Interest Talk: Erik de Castro Lopo - Careers for Geeks is it possible for a recording to be made of this talk? It

[SLUG] Re: C Gurus

2005-11-23 Thread Matt Palmer
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 08:55:50AM +1100, O Plameras wrote: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: If you come to the SLUG meeting on Friday, I will bring you a copy of this book so you can see for yourself. If you then publically admit that you were wrong on this issue you can keep the book [1].

[SLUG] Re: debian developers perth

2005-11-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 02:16:29AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: To all the Debian Developers on the list: Please consider sunny Perth for a holiday destination this Christmas! Visit the coral reefs, the surf, the forests and the forest dunes! That way you could sign my GPG key while you are

[SLUG] Re: C Gurus

2005-11-23 Thread Matt Palmer
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 10:34:04AM +1100, ashley maher wrote: G'day, As the original poster, I did expect to eat some humble pie asking such a trivial question. Thanks to those who gave serious answers. (As most of the respondents know me I expect I'll get a hard time for a while over

Re: [SLUG] I hate udev!

2005-11-23 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 06:59:51PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Make your backups just a tiny bit cleverer eg RFMd on bash and test I was going to suggest something similar, but use 'mt stat' instead; it will fail if the tape is not loaded, needs cleaning, and also if it's not a char file.

Re: [SLUG] Re: C Gurus

2005-11-23 Thread O Plameras
Matt Palmer wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 08:55:50AM +1100, O Plameras wrote: Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: If you come to the SLUG meeting on Friday, I will bring you a copy of this book so you can see for yourself. If you then publically admit that you were wrong on this issue you

Re: ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 07:46:36PM +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Steve Lindsay wrote: While I would agree that catching any bugs asap is a good thing, I find that typos and the like are not the problems that are causing me most grief (crappy logic, crappy requirements, not enough

Re: ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 11:01 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: So, you add a testsuite, and then there's a whole new set of bugs that crop up that can't be effectively tested for in the royal PITA list. LRR. Well, the only bugs I've found to date that cannot be effectively tested for are concurrent

[SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] RSVP for Restaurant booking post-SLUG meeting this Friday

2005-11-23 Thread ashley maher
Grant, I'm trying to get a stack of people from down here so I've forwarded your email to our South Coast LUG list. I know of two of us for the meeting so put down an RSVP for two please. Regards, Ashle On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 11:15 +1100, Grant Parnell wrote: Due to catching Spice Boys in the

Re: ocaml vs python/ruby/perl etc. was [SLUG] Why not C

2005-11-23 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 11:11:42AM +1100, Robert Collins wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 11:01 +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: So, you add a testsuite, and then there's a whole new set of bugs that crop up that can't be effectively tested for in the royal PITA list. LRR. Well, the only bugs

Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly Meeting: November, 2005

2005-11-23 Thread Taryn East
* Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: We record all the main talks, only sluglets dont get recorded. understood, but not all of them are available on the website... I guess I'm putting in a special request that this one go up - it would be really appreciated :) Many thanks, Taryn

[SLUG] RSVP for Restaurant booking post-SLUG meeting this Friday

2005-11-23 Thread Grant Parnell
Due to catching Spice Boys in the middle of a move we've gone with our old restaurant this month, the House of Guangzhou (AKA House of Boiled Television Entrails). I need to confirm the booking today so I'd like and indication of numbers - off list thanks. Price $25/head + drinks Here's the

[SLUG] Debian Codefest this weekend (is it on?)

2005-11-23 Thread David Creelman
Hi All, According to the SLUG website events calendar there is a Debian codefest this weekend. The site is listed as TBA. Does anyone know if this will be happening or has it been cancelled and not removed from the webpage ? I'm hoping to get some pointers on building a Debian package and would

[SLUG] old svnadmin required to recover database

2005-11-23 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
Hi! Does anyone have an old svnadmin-0.33.1 static binary lying around? If you have an old Debian unstable machine, that had subversion installed late 2003, then you might be able to help me :) I've got an old subversion repo that I'd like to extract the changesets out of, unfortunately the

Re: [SLUG] I hate udev!

2005-11-23 Thread jam
also lsmod and modprobe are your friends Can't see any modules that pertain to tapes. Only the scsi driver and I'm not about to rmmod insmod that. I guess that you should spend the time to learn about your system, which makes the process here much easier :-). Look in

Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] Monthly Meeting: November, 2005

2005-11-23 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
Taryn East wrote: * Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus: We record all the main talks, only sluglets dont get recorded. understood, but not all of them are available on the website... I guess I'm putting in a special request that this one go up - it would be really appreciated :)

Re: [SLUG] Code name C

2005-11-23 Thread O Plameras
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this interesting. snipped char* somefunction() { char string2[] = some words; return string2; } -- doesn't Hi Yiz, A couple of people have explained why the above does not work. My attention will focus

Re: [SLUG] I hate udev!

2005-11-23 Thread Dave Kempe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't see any modules that pertain to tapes. Only the scsi driver and I'm not about to rmmod insmod that. I take it this is 2.6 - if its 2.4 you need to run the rescan-scsi-bus.sh script (google knows where it is) dave -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing

Re: [SLUG] I hate udev!

2005-11-23 Thread Peter Miller
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 06:58 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't see any modules that pertain to tapes. The module you need to reload is the lowest level one, the HBA's device driver. Some of them have an ioctl which rescans, so you don't need to rmmod insmd. Also, this works for my scsi

[SLUG] lamdaemon.pl Configuration Issues

2005-11-23 Thread Craige McWhirter
Heya SLUGgers. I've been battling lamdaemon.pl recently (part of LDAP Account Manager) and I've not managed to get it to create home directories for users. I've configured LAM with: - the remote host IP - the path to lamdaemon.pl on the remote host Also: - there is an account in LDAP for the LAM