[SLUG] Re: Time Pedantry

2010-04-01 Thread Daniel Pittman
Peter Hardy writes: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 16:56 +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: >> ...but the real question is if we love or hate the GMT/UTC difference, and >> 23:59:61? >> >> Also, do we hate the earthquake that changed the length of the day for >> messing >> with our time-keeping? >> http://www

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Nick Andrew
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:47:37PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:27:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on > > > (with dates and times especially) in a complex stack of software than > > > just the OS.

Re: [SLUG] Re: Time Pedantry

2010-04-01 Thread Nick Andrew
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:25:46PM +1100, Daniel Pittman wrote: > > None of this would be a problem if we'd just switch to decimal time in a > > single timezone and call it a day. > > Actually, we would still have to deal with the changing length of the day, and > with the increasing difference be

Re: [SLUG] Surveillance camera in car

2010-04-01 Thread Nick Andrew
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 08:53:30PM +1100, Jim Donovan wrote: > Having been the target of a road-rage attack recently (driver behind chucked > a rock at me) I can see the value of having front and rear cameras recording. > They're actually pretty affordable these days (see > http://www.etronixmar

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Jake Anderson
Nick Andrew wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:47:37PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:27:23PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Not sure what Linux has to do with this -- there's far more going on (with dates and times especially) in a complex stack of software than

Re: [SLUG] Re: Time Pedantry

2010-04-01 Thread Rick Welykochy
Nick Andrew wrote: Indeed. The Earth's rotational period does vary slightly (effect of earthquakes notwithstanding). One reason time is hard to deal with sensibly is our insistence on synchronising it to the mean solar day. // off topic Easter Time time ramblings Isaac Asimov figured it out y

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Rick Welykochy
Jake Anderson wrote: The bank may well be pretty sure that nothing will go wrong but given the cost/benefit ratio its prudent not to take the chance that there is one line of code somewhere or another in the many tens of millions they have that will freak out when the clock goes backwards. Wha

[SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread jon
"As of March, we have 37 financial members. This represents a decline from 51 members twelve months ago. I suspect that this is merely due to inadequate promotion on our part. A challenge we currently face is presenting a good reason to become a member. Other than voting rights and a warm and f

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread Heracles
jon wrote: > "As of March, we have 37 financial members. This represents a decline > from 51 members twelve months ago. I suspect that this is merely due > to inadequate promotion on our part. A challenge we currently face is > presenting a good reason to become a member. Other than voting rights >

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread Nick Andrew
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 08:14:03AM +1100, jon wrote: > I don't know if this is the place to raise this, but as a new member I > can think of two things that might help: It's good. It's been weighing on my mind too. > 1. Make it possible to obtain and renew membership online -- or even by > sn

[SLUG] President's Report for 2010 AGM

2010-04-01 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
Sydney Linux Users Group (SLUG) Incorporated 2010 Annual General Meeting === Friday 26th March 2010 at Google Australia, Pyrmont President's Report 2009-2010 by Sridhar Dhanapalan Diversification and change have been the theme

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread Harrison Conlin
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Heracles wrote: > PS. WHo is the treasurer now and can I organise to pay my subs online > please? http://slug.org.au/contacts.html Neil Davenport -- Harrison Conlin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQ

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:38:35 +1100 Heracles wrote: > {note to Jon: forget Scribus, it still crashes regularly. I have been > trying to use the "stable" version to produce a magazine I write for > another computer club and had to go back to using OOo as Scribus > crashed almost every time I trie

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread Heracles
Alan L Tyree wrote: > On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:38:35 +1100 > Heracles wrote: > > > >> {note to Jon: forget Scribus, it still crashes regularly. I have been >> trying to use the "stable" version to produce a magazine I write for >> another computer club and had to go back to using OOo as Scribus

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread david
jon wrote: "As of March, we have 37 financial members. This represents a decline from 51 members twelve months ago. I suspect that this is merely due to inadequate promotion on our part. A challenge we currently face is presenting a good reason to become a member. Other than voting rights an

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:49:41 +1100 Heracles wrote: > Alan L Tyree wrote: > > On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:38:35 +1100 > > Heracles wrote: > > > > > > > >> {note to Jon: forget Scribus, it still crashes regularly. I have > >> been trying to use the "stable" version to produce a magazine I > >> wri

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread meryl
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:03 +1100 jon wrote: > 1. Make it possible to obtain and renew membership online Yes, I'd become a member if I could do it online or via snail mail. > 2. Take advantage of the increasing interest in Linux on the desktop > by setting up an Applications SIG and/or focuss

Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Martin Visser
I have to agree with Daniel. shutting them down is the safe option. Having a service unavailable through the wee hours is far preferable then say having to undo a whole of transactions that inadvertantly get run twice (think of all the automated payment systems scheduled to run at certain times). A

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread Heracles
Heracles wrote: > Alan L Tyree wrote: > >> On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:38:35 +1100 >> Heracles wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> {note to Jon: forget Scribus, it still crashes regularly. I have been >>> trying to use the "stable" version to produce a magazine I write for >>> another computer club and

Re: [SLUG] Re: Time Pedantry

2010-04-01 Thread Daniel Pittman
Rick Welykochy writes: > Nick Andrew wrote: > >> Indeed. The Earth's rotational period does vary slightly (effect of >> earthquakes notwithstanding). One reason time is hard to deal with >> sensibly is our insistence on synchronising it to the mean solar day. > > // off topic Easter Time time ramb

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread John Ferlito
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 12:10:38PM +1100, meryl wrote: > > * New and upgraded applications demonstrated and discussed > > * Distros compared and evaluated > > * Using Linux with various peripherals -- scanners, printers, > > tablets, multiple screens > > * Bash programming techniques -- but keeping

Re: [SLUG] Re: Time Pedantry

2010-04-01 Thread Jake Anderson
We should all just use unix timestamp for all date/time communications and be done with it. There I fixed it, http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129138460976317329.jpg Hail me as leader Daniel Pittman wrote: Rick Welykochy writes: Nick Andrew wrote: Indeed. The Earth'

Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Jake Anderson
Rick Welykochy wrote: Jake Anderson wrote: The bank may well be pretty sure that nothing will go wrong but given the cost/benefit ratio its prudent not to take the chance that there is one line of code somewhere or another in the many tens of millions they have that will freak out when the cloc

Re: [SLUG] SLUG Membership decline

2010-04-01 Thread Adrian Chadd
FYI: PLUG has had similar discussions and similar issues. It may be worthwhile having the bodies discuss things informally to see what ideas can be brainstormed. On Fri, Apr 02, 2010, meryl wrote: > On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:14:03 +1100 > jon wrote: > > > 1. Make it possible to obtain and renew me

Re: [SLUG] Re: Time Pedantry

2010-04-01 Thread Rick Welykochy
Jake Anderson wrote: We should all just use unix timestamp for all date/time communications and be done with it. There I fixed it, http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129138460976317329.jpg Hail me as leader Hey Leader, Are the horses drawing a UTC cart clock or sumthink? Happy

On-line payments: Re: Why so snooty? Re: [SLUG] Which bank doesn't use Linux servers?

2010-04-01 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:47:32 +1100 Jake Anderson wrote: > Rick Welykochy wrote: > > Jake Anderson wrote: > > > >> The bank may well be pretty sure that nothing will go wrong but > >> given the cost/benefit ratio its prudent not to take the chance > >> that there is one line of code somewhere or a

[SLUG] free speech and internet censorship ?

2010-04-01 Thread David Andresen
G'day all Has this been covered in Australia? Could this happen in Australia? http://immi.is/?l=en&p=intro David On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 14:37 +1100, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: > Send slug mailing list submissions to > slug@slug.org.au > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World

Re: [SLUG] free speech and internet censorship ?

2010-04-01 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:32:44 +1100 David Andresen wrote: > G'day all > > Has this been covered in Australia? > > Could this happen in Australia? > > http://immi.is/?l=en&p=intro > > David Well, it has been considered to some extent. In Dow Jones and Company Inc v Gutnick [2002] HCA 56 the H