Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-10-02 Thread Jacinta Richardson
Michael (Micksa) Slade wrote: > But there are other advantages. For example you can set up a bank > account under the company's name. Can't do that under a sole trader. > I'm sure there are other little things that I don't know about too. Are you sure? I expect that you are correct, semantica

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-10-01 Thread Mark Phillips
Hi All, And while we are bitching about recruiters... What is the worst cut you have seen in the industry? For those people who don't deal with recruiters much there are two ways they get their money. The first is a one off cost to the employing company as a percentage of the yearly salary The

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-10-01 Thread Michael (Micksa) Slade
Scott wrote: On Friday 22 September 2006 13:33, Adam Kennedy wrote: What I would look out for is recruiting firms. I had one that placed me once, into a job I wasn't particularly suited to. They took 15% from the employer for that. Some time after I was chatting with them a

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-10-01 Thread Michael (Micksa) Slade
Ben Donohue wrote: Hi Simon, Ive been both a contractor and also permanent staff on and off for many years... There is a good reason to get a PTY Limited company in that is says LIMITED. In short it means that if you do something WRONG they can only sue the COMPANY for every cent it has.

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-10-01 Thread Michael (Micksa) Slade
Jacinta Richardson wrote: Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Jacinta Richardson wrote: For what it's worth we probably spend about 3 hours a month (maximum) entering invoices and receipts into our accounting package, about 2 minutes a quarter doi

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-28 Thread Gavin Carr
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 05:00:26PM +1000, david wrote: > On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 14:54 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: > > Gavin Carr wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:28:16PM +1000, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > > >> Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > > >>> That sounds doable. What accounting package, if y

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-26 Thread david
On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 14:54 +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: > > Gavin Carr wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:28:16PM +1000, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > >> Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > >>> That sounds doable. What accounting package, if you don't mind? > >> We use gnucash, but SQL Ledger ( http://ww

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-26 Thread Gavin Carr
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:28:16PM +1000, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > > That sounds doable. What accounting package, if you don't mind? > > We use gnucash, but SQL Ledger ( http://www.sql-ledger.org/ ) has been getting > press. We were toying with the idea of moving ove

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-26 Thread Joseph Goncalves
> There is a good reason to get a PTY Limited company in that is says > LIMITED. In short it means that if you do something WRONG they can > only sue the COMPANY for every cent it has. > Leaving YOU with your house and car and other possessions intact. > > If you only have a business name and you d

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-26 Thread david
On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 12:28 +1000, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > > > > > >>For what it's worth we probably spend about 3 hours a month (maximum) > >>entering > >>invoices and receipts into our accounting package,

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-26 Thread Jacinta Richardson
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > > >>For what it's worth we probably spend about 3 hours a month (maximum) entering >>invoices and receipts into our accounting package, about 2 minutes a quarter >>doing our BAS and maybe 1 hour a year doing the ta

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-26 Thread Jacinta Richardson
Dazza has raised some good points, but also a few on which my experience differs. Be aware that I'm based in Victoria, so it's possible that the laws are sufficiently different between these two states to account for the difference. DaZZa wrote: > Maintaining a pty ltd {I.E. acn} company is exp

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-26 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > For what it's worth we probably spend about 3 hours a month (maximum) entering > invoices and receipts into our accounting package, about 2 minutes a quarter > doing our BAS and maybe 1 hour a year doing the tax return. That sounds doable.

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-23 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:04:48 +1000 david <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 09:06 +1000, SkoZombie wrote: > > > though, these days, lawyers claim against both company *and* > > > director personaly... > > > > > > and, win... > > I'm presently faced with exactly this situation. I'

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-23 Thread david
On Sat, 2006-09-23 at 09:06 +1000, SkoZombie wrote: > > though, these days, lawyers claim against both company *and* director > > personaly... > > > > and, win... I'm presently faced with exactly this situation. I've asked four lawyers and a barister and so far got 5 opinions, all heavily qualifi

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-22 Thread Ben Donohue
If you do something malicious as a director then they can get behind the company and sue the Directors for their houses. But this has to be proven. If you are just incompetent or unfortunate then it's pretty much only the company that cops it. IANAL but that has been my official advice. Also if

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-22 Thread Adam Kennedy
The remuneration structure of the industry means they work only for themselves, and the situation is set up for them to abuse both sides and use every trick they can to do so. Recruiting Firms do try to keep both parties Happy!! It is important for us to place people in jobs that : 1 - They are

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-22 Thread SkoZombie
> though, these days, lawyers claim against both company *and* director > personaly... > > and, win... > > I'm not a lawyer, but, I think, in case of 'one person company' some of > the argument to justify it is, well, that it is 'one person company' > > did I say I'm not a lawyer ? I work a bit

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-22 Thread Scott
On Friday 22 September 2006 13:33, Adam Kennedy wrote: > > What I would look out for is recruiting firms. I had one that > > placed me once, into a job I wasn't particularly suited to. > > They took 15% from the employer for that. Some time after I > > was chatting with them and they said "oh, if

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-22 Thread Voytek Eymont
On Thu, September 21, 2006 9:00 pm, Ken Wilson wrote: > The benefit of the Pty Ltd company is the limited liability. Limited to > the share capital you put into it ($1 shelf company), not everything that > you own and earn. yes. though, these days, lawyers claim against both company *and* di

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-22 Thread Ken Wilson
The benefit of the Pty Ltd company is the limited liability. Limited to the share capital you put into it ($1 shelf company), not everything that you own and earn. and a slightly better tax rate depending what you earn, maybe some more deductions for tax, but offset with higher administrative/c

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Christopher Vance
On 9/22/06, Rev Simon Rumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've noticed that a lot of the "industry" super schemes seem to be open to anyone anyway, so I'm not sure this is such an issue. You're posting from a .edu.au account though, and I believe they have an industry-only super fund that is quite

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Glen Turner wrote: > Some governments require that you hold a significant amount > (from memory, enough insurance for a $20m claim) and this > was a major expense for someone I know who runs a small > management consultancy. I think everyone in NSW has this requiremen

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
What I would look out for is recruiting firms. I had one that placed me once, into a job I wasn't particularly suited to. They took 15% from the employer for that. Some time after I was chatting with them and they said "oh, if we'd known you were a networking person we could have got you a lot mo

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Glen Turner
Interesting discussion. One thing I'd like to add is that you might want to inquire of your potential customers about their requirement for you to hold insurance. Some governments require that you hold a significant amount (from memory, enough insurance for a $20m claim) and this was a major ex

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
If you think that you are going to end up hiring subcontractors or staff (if you move more into the consulting/development direction that just straight labour hire) you probably want a company too, just for the accounting cleanliness. Ook! That should read "consulting/development direction, r

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
To throw in my situation, I'm a Pty Ltd contractor/consultant. It costs me $2,000 (although increasing now as I do more things) a year to keep the company going, but the cleanliness of the seperation between personal and company is something I find refreshing. As I see it, there's a couple of

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> (My business Speleonics http://www.speleonics.com.au/business/ is a Sole > Trader.) I *knew* all that cave-diving was aimed at something. Never thought it would be trafficking souls to the dark lord. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Michael Lake
Hi all Jeff wrote: Not sure it's worth it for a small operation (sole trader or partners); you can just get an ABN and get going. Jeff gives good advice. Look at setting up as a Sole Trader initially and later moving to a company if your turnover justifies it. Being a Sole Trader means you ha

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:25:10 +1000 DaZZa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/21/06, Rev Simon Rumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks. > > > > I'm about to start contracting and it seems it's a lot more > > efficient to have things wrapped into a company. I've been looking > > around and see

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Gavin Carr
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: >Hi folks. > >I'm about to start contracting and it seems it's a lot more efficient to >have things wrapped into a company. I've been looking around and seeing >stuff about the "80/20 rule" and the like, which determines whether you >can apply company tax instead of pers

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Hardware you can probably depreciate personally anyway. > > The big benefit is writing off travel/home office expenses. You definitely don't need a Pty Ltd to claim for business related expenses! - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "D

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Tim Lloyd
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: Hi folks. I'm about to start contracting and it seems it's a lot more efficient to have things wrapped into a company. I've been looking around and seeing stuff about the "80/20 rule" and the like, which determines whether you can apply company tax instead of personal

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Ben Donohue
Hi Simon, Ive been both a contractor and also permanent staff on and off for many years... There is a good reason to get a PTY Limited company in that is says LIMITED. In short it means that if you do something WRONG they can only sue the COMPANY for every cent it has. Leaving YOU with your

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> I'm about to start contracting and it seems it's a lot more efficient to > have things wrapped into a company. Not sure it's worth it for a small operation (sole trader or partners); you can just get an ABN and get going. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca

Re: [SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread DaZZa
On 9/21/06, Rev Simon Rumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks. I'm about to start contracting and it seems it's a lot more efficient to have things wrapped into a company. I've been looking around and seeing stuff about the "80/20 rule" and the like, which determines whether you can apply co

[SLUG] Contracting stuff: wrap it into a company or PAYE through agency?

2006-09-21 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
Hi folks. I'm about to start contracting and it seems it's a lot more efficient to have things wrapped into a company. I've been looking around and seeing stuff about the "80/20 rule" and the like, which determines whether you can apply company tax instead of personal income tax, and other stu