Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:34:53 +1000 Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How could you possibly resent cute'n'furry?! :-) I don't resent cute and fury, in fact I quite like numbats. :P I just get a bit tired of those who want to criticise people because of their choice of Linux distribution.

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

I'll throw my oar in with Jeff on this one.. (as another FOSS contributer) using Gentoo or LFS (scary thought) for a production Linux server is probably the dumbest thing you'll ever do involving Linux... the maintenance nightmare alone... gcc optimisation levels don't make a massive difference f

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

-=>Don't you just *love* it how when Jeff does something like -=>bagging out someone elses preferred distribution or -=>software, it's his "usual cheeky prose", but when someone -=>else does it it's "argumentative and confrontational"? That's because Jeff is so full of his own self-importance

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Jon Biddell wrote: > -=>Don't you just *love* it how when Jeff does something like > -=>bagging out someone elses preferred distribution or > -=>software, it's his "usual cheeky prose", but when someone > -=>else does it it's "argumentative and confrontational"? > > That's bec

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 13:18, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > If you would like a lengthy description of why Gentoo and friends (LFS, > > etc) are not viewed favourably by bigots like me (FOSS software > > contributors), and why I'm more than willing to encourage people to use > > other systems, you're we

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

-=>> Hmm, nice dodge on the numbats there Jeff. -=>> -=>> I have two questions. -=>> -=>Lots of people have asked me to expand on this, so I'm going -=>to do so in a linmagau article. I'd prefer to take it there, -=>than continue the discussion on the lists Coward:-) -- SLUG - S

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > -=>Don't you just *love* it how when Jeff does something like > > -=>bagging out someone elses preferred distribution or > > -=>software, it's his "usual cheeky prose", but when someone > > -=>else does it it's "argumentative and confrontational"? >

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

Jeff said: >If you're talking about film, audio or image processing, 3d rendering, or >anything that has a high applicability of line-by-line intensive maths/loop >optimisations, then sure, you may find some advantage here, if your volume >is large enough that 0.1% would have a reasonable effect.

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-=>> > That's because Jeff is so full of his own self-importance it's -=>> > almost embarassing - Oh, don't forget he's a FOSS -=>author/contributor -=>> > (bow, -=>> > scrape)- I'e not even that bad after the 2 bottles of -=>red I've just -=>> > consumed. -=>> > -=>> > "Full of shit" is anothe

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 13:18, Jeff Waugh wrote: > If you would like a lengthy description of why Gentoo and friends (LFS, etc) > are not viewed favourably by bigots like me (FOSS software contributors), > and why I'm more than willing to encourage people to use other systems, > you're welcome to ask

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> If I am going it install a high load email server, every little speed > optimisation counts. This is false. Hardware and operating systems are cheap. Maintenance is expensive. If you're going to install a high load email, every little *maintenance* optimisation helps, and in that realm, Gentoo

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> And we always build the kernel from scratch. ... > Is it that difficult to manage ? Not at all. Big difference between the kernel (which a lot of people build from source for various incredibly valid reasons) and the entire system. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> Its bigots like you who really ruin a community. I know you don't like > gentoo, we all know it. > > But grow up. If you don't want to play with the other kids would you > mind staying indoors then? A Numbat is a cute (look at that nose!), furry, endangered Australian marsupial. There are ma

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

-=> This is an interesting POV. We currently have about 40 -=> Linux boxes in -=> high load production environments, and racking my brian I -=> can't think of And one has to wonder how Brian feels about being "racked" - possibly he enjoys it ?? :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http:

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> > using Gentoo or LFS (scary thought) for a production Linux server is > > probably the dumbest thing you'll ever do involving Linux... the > > maintenance nightmare alone... gcc optimisation levels don't make a > > massive difference from a lot of real-world POVs, I'd like to see some > > useful

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> > If you need to handle more load, throw another cpu, more ram or another box > at the problem. Some times this is not possible, that even a 0.1% increase in performance is worth it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Dave Airlie wrote: > I'll throw my oar in with Jeff on this one.. (as another FOSS contributer) > > using Gentoo or LFS (scary thought) for a production Linux server is > probably the dumbest thing you'll ever do involving Linux... the > maintenance nightmare alone... gcc optim

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> > If you need to handle more load, throw another cpu, more ram or another > > box at the problem. > > Some times this is not possible, that even a 0.1% increase in performance > is worth it. If you're talking about film, audio or image processing, 3d rendering, or anything that has a high ap

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

This is an interesting POV. We currently have about 40 Linux boxes in high load production environments, and racking my brian I can't think of a scenario where a 0.1% increase in performance (for performance alone not considering interoperability or security for example) would be worth more th

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, 4 August 2003 10:04 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/08/2003 09:34:45 PM: > --snip-- > > What specific tests should I run? I would like to test, for things other > > than just opening a spread sheet? How about > > > > Hitting a db? > > X rendering? > > File access? > > Compiling a kernel? > > > > > > > > Any other t

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/08/2003 09:34:45 PM: --snip-- > What specific tests should I run? I would like to test, for things other > than just opening a spread sheet? How about > > Hitting a db? > X rendering? > File access? > Compiling a kernel? > > > > Any other thoughts? > For the desk

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

Please be careful with your quoting, for someone not new to this thread it would be very difficult to tell what you wrote and what I wrote. The problem is your mail client. Almost any other client on the planet can do a better job than the one you are using. On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:34:45 +1000 "Be

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2003 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:04:44 +1000 "Ben de

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

Jeff Waugh Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2003 10:01 PM To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) > I would like to see a more extensive exploration of the gains and/or > losses in a Gentoo style distribution. Results of extensive exploration: Clear indi

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 17:34, Jeff Waugh wrote: > How could you possibly resent cute'n'furry?! :-) > > http://www.dpc.wa.gov.au/emblems/numbat.jpg Got a copy? I get connection refused... Rob -- GPG key available at: . signature.asc Descriptio

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

No i am a scientist that wasted his time reading an article that was not worth the electrons it was formed with. I use IRIX, windows, gentoo, redhat and a few other things. On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 12:09, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 05:04:44PM +1000, Ben de Luca wrote: > > Oop

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> I resent the fact that a person is labeled a "numbat" because of their > choice in distribution. Every distribution has its pros and cons, and a > single comparison should not be taken as a definitive reason on why or why > not you should use a distribution. How could you possibly resent cute'

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:00:49 +1000 Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Results of extensive exploration: Clear indications that the numbats using > Gentoo spent more time building their systems than annoying people doing > real work. I resent the fact that a person is labeled a "numbat" becau

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 05:04:44PM +1000, Ben de Luca wrote: > Oops no I am wrong! > > 3 tests were performed! Count them 3! And it looks like the were run 1 > time! I take it that you're a Gentoo user who has been saying to all and sundry "you should run Gentoo because it's faster", and now that

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

Quoting Dion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Without disparaging the journalitic quality of the article, I would > challenge that not nearly enough testing was performed to take any > meaningful information away on the Pros or Cons of a fully compiled system. > > Also some of the gains that come from c

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

> I would like to see a more extensive exploration of the gains and/or > losses in a Gentoo style distribution. Results of extensive exploration: Clear indications that the numbats using Gentoo spent more time building their systems than annoying people doing real work. - Jeff :-) -- Get Info

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:04:44 +1000 "Ben de Luca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oops no I am wrong! > > 3 tests were performed! Count them 3! And it looks like the were run 1 > time! Thats a pretty defensive posture to be taking isn't it? My intro to this stated very clearly that these were initia

Re: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

Without disparaging the journalitic quality of the article, I would challenge that not nearly enough testing was performed to take any meaningful information away on the Pros or Cons of a fully compiled system. Also some of the gains that come from compiling a source are smaller memory footpri

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-) I think what we can get from this is that Only ONE count it 1. Test was run and I think it was run 1 time. It really is the worst type of crap journalism. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik

RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)

I think what we can get from this is that Only ONE count it 1. Test was run and I think it was run 1 time. It really is the worst type of crap journalism. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo Sent: Sunday, 3 August 20