Re: [Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 12:57:31AM -0700, Jordan Share wrote: >Also, if you google "ethernet autonegotiation", the first hit is a best >practices guide from Sun which argues 'The notion of "autonegotiation is >unreliable" can no longer be substantiated.' Irony, since in many cases it's peoples'

Re: [Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-20 Thread Jordan Share
Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: >>> That sounds like autonegotiation is failing. It could be the other >>> device that's having problems, or just the combination of the two. >>> >> Hi, >> >> I'm sorry, but autonegotiation is a myth. In the real world >> it is more dangerous t

Re: [Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: >> That sounds like autonegotiation is failing. It could be the other >> device that's having problems, or just the combination of the two. >> > Hi, > > I'm sorry, but autonegotiation is a myth. In the real world > it is more dangerous than it does good. I ran a m

Re: [Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-19 Thread Brian W. Antoine
The Fungi wrote: > Based on past interactions with customers and other providers, I get > the impression this is one of those vi/emacs-grade religious > arguments where everyone is roughly split down the middle, and > nobody who has an opinion is going to be easily swayed in the other > direction.

Re: [Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-19 Thread The Fungi
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 02:56:19PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: > I'm sorry, but autonegotiation is a myth. In the real world it is > more dangerous than it does good. I ran a managed server hosting > company for 9 years, and every item in there was all hardcoded > with speed and duplex. [...]

Re: [Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-04-19, Lars Noodén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a Net4801-60 (256MB RAM) with OpenBSD 4.2 that sometimes gets no > link with either cross-over or straight-through cables. > > Sometimes it's enough to simply switch to a different cable of the same > type. Other times, even though the

Re: [Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-19 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
> That sounds like autonegotiation is failing. It could be the other > device that's having problems, or just the combination of the two. > Hi, I'm sorry, but autonegotiation is a myth. In the real world it is more dangerous than it does good. I ran a managed server hosting company for

Re: [Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-19 Thread Trevor Talbot
On Apr 19, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Lars Noodén wrote: > I have a Net4801-60 (256MB RAM) with OpenBSD 4.2 that sometimes gets > no link with either cross-over or straight-through cables. > > Sometimes it's enough to simply switch to a different cable of the > same type. Other times, even though the

[Soekris] Ethernet outages/autodetect weirdness on Net4801

2008-04-19 Thread Lars Noodén
I have a Net4801-60 (256MB RAM) with OpenBSD 4.2 that sometimes gets no link with either cross-over or straight-through cables. Sometimes it's enough to simply switch to a different cable of the same type. Other times, even though the cables are good (have used them with these and other devices)