Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Artur W
FUCK YOU AUTODESK. 2016-04-18 14:18 GMT+02:00 Oliver Weingarten : > Hey there...some news..so it seems. Take a look > > "SAN FRANCISCO---Autodesk, Inc >

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Artur W
I don't believe it. NO. I refuse t believe this. 2016-04-18 14:26 GMT+02:00 Artur W : > FUCK YOU AUTODESK. > > 2016-04-18 14:18 GMT+02:00 Oliver Weingarten : > >> Hey there...some news..so it seems. Take a look >> >> "SAN FRANCISCO---Autodesk, Inc >>

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Jordi Bares
It will be fine guys, Autodesk do not have any competing product so it actually may be a good thing. jb > On 18 Apr 2016, at 13:27, Artur W wrote: > > I don't believe it. NO. I refuse t believe this. > > 2016-04-18 14:26 GMT+02:00 Artur W >: > FUCK YOU AUTODESK.

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Mirko Jankovic
Future is bright! mwahahaaha On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Jordi Bares wrote: > It will be fine guys, Autodesk do not have any competing product so it > actually may be a good thing. > > jb > > > On 18 Apr 2016, at 13:27, Artur W wrote: > > I don't believe it. NO. I refuse t believe this. >

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Artur W
SITOA is dead. Is that what it means? 2016-04-18 14:32 GMT+02:00 Jordi Bares : > It will be fine guys, Autodesk do not have any competing product so it > actually may be a good thing. > > jb > > > On 18 Apr 2016, at 13:27, Artur W wrote: > > I don't believe it. NO. I refuse t believe this. > > 2

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Sandy Sutherland
Mmm given their track record, won't be too long before they EOL HtoA, so that they can prop up the Geriatric that is Maya. On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Jordi Bares wrote: > It will be fine guys, Autodesk do not have any competing product so it > actually may be a good thing. > > jb > > On 18

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Artur W
and what about HTOA? 2016-04-18 14:34 GMT+02:00 Artur W : > SITOA is dead. Is that what it means? > > 2016-04-18 14:32 GMT+02:00 Jordi Bares : > >> It will be fine guys, Autodesk do not have any competing product so it >> actually may be a good thing. >> >> jb >> >> >> On 18 Apr 2016, at 13:27, A

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Angus Davidson
odesk acquires Solid Angle It will be fine guys, Autodesk do not have any competing product so it actually may be a good thing. jb On 18 Apr 2016, at 13:27, Artur W mailto:artur.w...@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't believe it. NO. I refuse t believe this. 2016-04-18 14:26 G

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Mirko Jankovic
n again maybe they will bundle it instead of mental ray ;) > > > > > > *From:* Jordi Bares [mailto:jordiba...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, 18 April 2016 2:32 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > > > It will

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Juhani Karlsson
I`m just worried will this affect FMX Solid Angle party this year haha - J On 18 April 2016 at 15:36, Artur W wrote: > and what about HTOA? > > 2016-04-18 14:34 GMT+02:00 Artur W : > >> SITOA is dead. Is that what it means? >> >> 2016-04-18 14:32 GMT+02:00 Jordi Bares : >> >>> It will be fine g

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Rob Wuijster
first stage... grief second stage... acceptance third stage move to houdini ;-P Rob \/-\/\/ On 18-4-2016 14:27, Artur W wrote: I don't believe it. NO. I refuse t believe this. 2016-04-18 14:26 GMT+02:00 Artur W >: FUCK YOU

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Angus Davidson
Well Houdini does have Octane ;) *Vrosh* From: Rob Wuijster [mailto:r...@casema.nl] Sent: Monday, 18 April 2016 2:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle first stage... grief second stage... acceptance third stage move to houdini ;-P

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Stefan Kubicek
I think it's actually "Fuck you Marcos". To be fair, I don't know anything about the financial structure of Solid Angle, it might not have been Mr. Fajardo's sole decision to sell his life achievement, hence a general "FUCK YOU SOLID ANGLE" might be more appropriate. Arnold out of the way

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Adam Seeley
Arnold today, Redshift tomorrow? A. On 18 April 2016 at 13:40, Rob Wuijster wrote: > first stage... grief > > second stage... acceptance > > third stage move to houdini ;-P > > > Rob > > \/-\/\/ > > On 18-4-2016 14:27, Artur W wrote: > > I don't believe it. NO.

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Ognjen Vukovic
Buy redshift, kill it, introduce gpu to autodesk arnold On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Adam Seeley wrote: > Arnold today, Redshift tomorrow? > > A. > > > On 18 April 2016 at 13:40, Rob Wuijster wrote: > >> first stage... grief >> >> second stage... acceptance >> >> third stage move to

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Mirko Jankovic
“*As with other acquisitions, we are committed to supporting third party applications* with Arnold,” explains Bradshaw. “Our goal is to improve customers’ collaboration, creativity, productivity and efficiency across their entire pipeline, regardless of the tools they use.” hahahahahaha like we ha

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Frederic Servant
Hi Arthur, Since I'm the developer of HtoA, that was my first question when we got briefed by Marc Stevens of Autodesk when we got disclosed, and his answer was a clear yes. They want more people to use Arnold, on any platform. Thus the development for the non-Autodesk products will continue as w

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Mirko Jankovic
A lot of studios and freelancers asked what will happen to Softimage and they were reassured that future is bright. We all know what happened then. On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Frederic Servant < frederic.serv...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > Since I'm the developer of HtoA, that was my

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Artur W
Frederic, I am sure you mean well, but I actually try learning from the history, which is: Autodesk doesn't care. 2016-04-18 14:46 GMT+02:00 Frederic Servant : > Hi Arthur, > > Since I'm the developer of HtoA, that was my first question when we got > briefed by Marc Stevens of Autodesk when we go

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Perry Harovas
;> On 18 April 2016 at 13:56, Leo Quensel wrote: >>>> God I am glad I left this industry two years after Autodesk acquired >>>> Softimage. They make everything worse and are now off to kill another >>>> product (and don't tell me that won't happen...)

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread John Clausing
ndustry two years after Autodesk acquired >>>> Softimage. They make everything worse and are now off to kill another >>>> product (and don't tell me that won't happen...). >>>> >>>> Gesendet: Montag, 18. April 2016 um 14:51 Uhr >>&

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Angus Davidson
: Monday, 18 April 2016 2:46 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle “As with other acquisitions, we are committed to supporting third party applications with Arnold,” explains Bradshaw. “Our goal is to improve customers’ collaboration, creativity

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Angus Davidson
Have a look at https://www.fxguide.com/featured/autodesk-buys-arnold-2/ it’s a bit more indepth. From: John Clausing [mailto:jclausin...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 18 April 2016 3:10 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle They (solid angle) had to know

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Ognjen Vukovic
nold is dependable to teach to students, so there’s a chance of really > growing the userbase. > > > > > > > > *From:* Mirko Jankovic [mailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, 18 April 2016 2:46 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Marc-Andre Carbonneau
: RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle What it definitely means is that there will be a 3dsmax version. I think the people who are more worried will be Vray and Mental ray. Arnold is dependable to teach to students, so there’s a chance of really growing the userbase. From: Mirko Jankovic

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Stephen Davidson
That should kill it. Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 8:18 AM Oliver Weingarten wrote

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Phil Harbath
Does (did) solid angles still support Softimage? Would AutoDesk continue support on their dead product? -Original Message- From: "Angus Davidson" Sent: ‎4/‎18/‎2016 9:17 AM To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Subject: RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle What it

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Artur W
/‎18/‎2016 9:17 AM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > What it definitely means is that there will be a 3dsmax version. > > > > I think the people who are more worried will be Vray and Mental ray. > Arnold is dependable

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Mirko Jankovic
ort Softimage? Would AutoDesk continue > support on their dead product? > -- > From: Angus Davidson > Sent: ‎4/‎18/‎2016 9:17 AM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > What it definitely means is

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Morten Bartholdy
As if AD is known for keeping their promises... :-/ Morten > Den 18. april 2016 klokken 14:46 skrev Frederic Servant > : > > > Hi Arthur, > > Since I'm the developer of HtoA, that was my first question when we got > briefed by Marc Stevens of Autodesk when we got disclosed, and his answer >

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Javier Vega
n 18 April 2016 at 13:56, Leo Quensel wrote: >>> >>>> God I am glad I left this industry two years after Autodesk acquired >>>> Softimage. They make everything worse and are now off to kill another >>>> product (and don't tell me that won't happen...). &g

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Nuno Conceicao
t;>>> >>>> On 18 April 2016 at 13:56, Leo Quensel wrote: >>>> >>>>> God I am glad I left this industry two years after Autodesk acquired >>>>> Softimage. They make everything worse and are now off to kill another >>>>> product (and

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Ognjen Vukovic
ybe the push towards cloud rendering will put off some >>>>> customers though. >>>>> >>>>> On 18 April 2016 at 13:56, Leo Quensel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> God I am glad I left this industry two years after Autodesk acquired >

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Eric Thivierge
;>>>> 2016-04-18 14:58 GMT+02:00 Matt Morris : >>>>> >>>>>> I can't see autodesk killing off arnold as they have no competing >>>>>> products. Maybe the push towards cloud rendering will put off some >>>>>

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Ognjen Vukovic
t;>>>> will not try to kill Arnold. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Javier Vega* >>>>>> >>>>>> www.zao3d.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com >>>>>> >>>>&g

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Srecko Micic
t;>>> >>>>>> 2016-04-18 14:58 GMT+02:00 Matt Morris <[matt...@gmail.com](mailto:matt...@gmail.com)>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't see autodesk killing off arnold as they have no competing products. Maybe the push towards cloud renderi

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
I think they meant the .pdf FAQ here http://www.autodesk.com/solidangle On 18 April 2016 at 10:14, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: > Eric i just saw that now. Do you know which press release the article was > referring to, i would love to see that. -- Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mai

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Eric Thivierge
ing good this time, but I can't avoid to >>>>>>> feel an old feeling that I don't like, but we'll try to have hope. >>>>>>> Autodesk >>>>>>> will not try to kill Arnold. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Javier

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Ognjen Vukovic
d feeling that I don't like, but we'll try to have hope. >>>>>>>> Autodesk will not try to kill Arnold. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Javier Vega* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Adam Seeley
016 at 14:00, Javier Vega >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope that will be something good this time, but I can't avoid >>>>>>>> to feel an old feeling that I don't like, but we'll try to have hope. &

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Olivier Jeannel
;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and probably end up StoA. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what a horrible news. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 18 April 2016 at 14:00, Javier Vega >>>>>>>>

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Cristobal Infante
e pace I'd say. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and probably end up StoA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what a horrible news. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18 A

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Stephen Davidson
AD don't you DARE touch the amazing Redshift ! Adam, you should be ashamed of yourself for even mentioning it. ;) On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 8:43 AM Adam Seeley wrote: > Arnold today, Redshift tomorrow? > > > -- Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listpr

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Angus Davidson
In the pdf they mention redshift and vray, Octane is still flying under the radar ;) From: Stephen Davidson [mailto:magic...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, 18 April 2016 5:37 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle AD don't you DARE touch the am

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Jordi Bares
For once I am optimistic, AD has no product competing with Arnold, if anything Mental Ray will be left behind (as it should) and Arnold will reign as the 1st class product it is, nevertheless I will pay attention to AD next moves to see if they really intend to support all the other competitors

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Jim Yeh
The first thing that AD will do is to make Arnold stop working with competing app such as C4D, Houdini, or, most importantly (and maybe the main reason they buy Arnold), NUKE, yeah, AD already killed Softimage so they are not even going to mention it's name. Then they will let the development team

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Steven Caron
I doubt this, they want people paying them. A SolidAngle customer who didn't pay AD before (C4D or Houdini users) now has to pay AD! On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jim Yeh wrote: > The first thing that AD will do is to make Arnold stop working with > competing app... > -- Softimage Mailing

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Artur W
Yes, but as we know a lot of people pay them not very willingly. Matter of choice. So, conspiracy theory, all they need to do after they plant arnold within Maya and/or Max is to just mess SDK a bit. Not as if they haven't already on purpose or by accident. Vray suddenly having glitches and bugs, t

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Steven Caron
Yes, some aren't excited about paying AD money but that is what I am saying... AD will need to keep these people happy or they will ditch Arnold. Breaking Arnold in C4D or Houdini is a lose lose scenario. They don't sell a Maya license and they don't sell an Arnold license. If we reduce AD's behavi

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-18 Thread Artur W
Many AD corporate decisions seem irrational and strange to us. Why should this case be any different? I truly wish everything would go as we wanted. Constant progress and development of Arnold. 2016-04-19 0:20 GMT+02:00 Steven Caron : > Yes, some aren't excited about paying AD money but that is

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Olivier Jeannel
As seen on FB Le 19 avr. 2016 02:06, "Sebastien Sterling" a écrit : > AD wants to get the equation as close as they can to people feeding them a > steady stream of income for minimal updates and maintenance. They are not > driven by any passion or creative fervour. > > On 19 April 2016 at 00:55,

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Frederic Servant
Stay classy Olivier :) On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Jeannel wrote: > As seen on FB > Le 19 avr. 2016 02:06, "Sebastien Sterling" > a écrit : > >> AD wants to get the equation as close as they can to people feeding them >> a steady stream of income for minimal updates and maintenance

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Sven Constable
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 11:51 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle I doubt this, they want people paying them. A SolidAngle customer who didn't pay AD before (C4D or Houdini users) now has to pay AD! On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jim

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Steven Caron
I am not excited on this acquisition either but it is easy to see that this isn't the same deal as the Softimage one. So don't confuse my statements for full support but rather a level headed look at what is really happening. I don't see how having Arnold stop working in C4D and Houdini means thos

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Mirko Jankovic
"I don't see how having Arnold stop working in C4D and Houdini means those houses are forced to switch to AD products?" Softimage bneing EOL didn;t force peopl egoing other AD route as well.. agree they killed it for other reasons as well but still... On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Steven Caro

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Perry Harovas
Marcos has a very level head on his shoulders. He and his team have created stunningly simple and powerful software rendering and done it in almost a ninja-like careful fashion. I believe him when he says he feels it will be good for the company and users. The one indisputable fact, though, is he

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Angus Davidson
: Perry Harovas [mailto:perryharo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2016 2:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Marcos has a very level head on his shoulders. He and his team have created stunningly simple and powerful software rendering and done it

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Angus Davidson
Ugg sorry , best said way. From: Angus Davidson [mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za] Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2016 2:52 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Probably the said way of putting things into perspective. I am hopeful that this could be a win

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Steven Caron
I tried to touch on this with the last sentence in my reply. Their decision axe Softimage seemed irrational to us because we are emotional but if you reduce it to numbers, it made sense. It is a truth I don't like to admit but it is a fact that Maya and Max user numbers are just higher, so of cours

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Sebastien Sterling
AD wants to get the equation as close as they can to people feeding them a steady stream of income for minimal updates and maintenance. They are not driven by any passion or creative fervour. On 19 April 2016 at 00:55, Steven Caron wrote: > I tried to touch on this with the last sentence in my r

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Martin
If Arnold is included with Maya, replacing MR, then great! That would be good news for people like me that don't render that often and when we do we have to use MR, and have to keep using and paying Maya's subscription for a very long time. But Autodesk will probably sell it separated. Martin

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Ed Harriss
oc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Artur W Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Many AD corporate decisions seem irrational and strange to us. Why should this case be any different? I truly wish everything would go as we w

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Tony Bexley
ril 18, 2016 3:30 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > > > Many AD corporate decisions seem irrational and strange to us. > > Why should this case be any different? > > > > I truly wish everything would go

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Steven Caron
I see what you are pointing out but again this is apples and oranges and that quote misses context :) Softimage != Arnold, full animation package with an API vs a rendering engine that IS an API... In Softimage's case AD is/was trying to convince us to switch to a competing product, in this case t

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Phil Harbath
Well, they kind of did that with mudbox, sure you could use it with any program, however they made it more convenient with max and Maya. -Original Message- From: "Steven Caron" Sent: ‎4/‎19/‎2016 3:07 PM To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Subject: Re: Autodesk

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Scott Lange
Oops…lol -- “If we reduce AD's behaviors to 'corporate greed' like this forum tends to do, then alienating thousands of users is illogical.” Didn’t they do that already? ;) This is

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Steven Caron
d Maya. > -- > From: Steven Caron > Sent: ‎4/‎19/‎2016 3:07 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > I see what you are pointing out but again this is apples and oranges and > that quote misses context :) > >

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Phil Harbath
I am definitely not sure what their motivation was but instead of investing in it they gave up on it. -Original Message- From: "Steven Caron" Sent: ‎4/‎19/‎2016 3:21 PM To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Not sure I

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Steven Caron
It certainly could happen. Again, I am cautiously optimistic that it won't. You can choose not to be so optimistic and stop using Arnold ASAP, so no decision Autodesk makes in the future will impact you. But just so it is clear... I was addressing the idea that Autodesk's first order of business w

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Jason S
On 04/18/16 18:55, Steven Caron wrote: Their decision axe Softimage seemed irrational to us because we are emotional but if you reduce it to numbers, it made sen

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Perry Harovas
Steven Caron m wrote: "I am not trying to convince anyone to 'trust' Autodesk to do what is right for you, I was just trying to convince people of the possibility that Autodesk's best interest (in regard to the future of Arnold) is actually to play nicely with others." I totally agree with thi

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Jim Yeh
yeah, before AD purchased Softimage, SI users out numbered Maya and Max, but after their purchase, SI users become so few that they are forced to abandon it. On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Perry Harovas wrote: > Steven Caron m wrote: > > "I am not trying to convince anyone to 'trust' Autodesk

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-19 Thread Stefan Kubicek
From what I remember, XSI never had a higher market share then 10-11%, with Max having 45%+ and Maya 30%+ at that point in time (before acquired by AD$K). Not sure how the percentages are these days, I reckon XSI to be down at 1% or less, along the lines of Lightwave maybe. yeah, before

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Tom Kleinenberg
That drop in market share was largely down to AD's inability to market it. They seemed to be positioning it as an "Almost Houdini but not quite" because it had ICE. They couldn't sell it as an animation package, as that would canibalize Maya market share, an asset creation package as that would can

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Graham Bell
We use Shotgun here and the general perception is that the development pace has appeared to slow since the acquisition. There has been updates and some nice stuff, but at the same time larger chunks that seem to be still pending. >From a brand view AD might keep SA/Arnold separate in the same way

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Angus Davidson
: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle We use Shotgun here and the general perception is that the development pace has appeared to slow since the acquisition. There has been updates and some nice stuff, but at the same time larger chunks that seem to be still pending. From a brand view AD might keep SA/Arnold

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Olivier Jeannel
Well, if you remember it was the same profile for Ice. They had that supa-crew of ice developpers that gave us 2 or 3 generations of true big ice improvements (crowd, ice modeling, Build array from set, etc..) Then there was that moment when they fired a big part of the crew, saying that "everythin

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Stefan Kubicek
On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 10:36:18 +0200, Tom Kleinenberg wrote: That drop in market share was largely down to AD's inability to market it. That was my perception as well, though I'd make that unwillingness, rather than inability. Phasing out Softimage however was not so much a long term finan

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Stefan Kubicek
Correction: ADSK bought softimage for $35 million. On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 10:36:18 +0200, Tom Kleinenberg wrote: That drop in market share was largely down to AD's inability to market it. That was my perception as well, though I'd make that unwillingness, rather than inability. Phasing o

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Srecko Micic
Interesting thing is that Stephen Blair is again at AD :D \-- **Micic Srecko** \--- **Mail:** [srecko.mi...@gmail.com](mailto:srecko.mi...@gmail.com) **Skype**: srecko.micic \--- On Apr 20 2016, at 10:50 am, Graham Bell wrote:

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Ed Schiffer
> > Interesting thing is that Stephen Blair is again at AD :D > > -- > *Micic Srecko* > ow my, I wonder how he feels. -- Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Matt Lind
hit specific needs and don't necessarily fold into the larger company portfolio seamlessly. Matt Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:04:44 +0200 From: Olivier Jeannel Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Well, if you remember it was the same prof

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Rob Wuijster
Yes, I can imagine Stephen was jumping with joy to be part of the AD family again... ;-) Rob \/-\/\/ On 20-4-2016 12:40, Srecko Micic wrote: Interesting thing is that Stephen Blair is again at AD :D -- *Micic Srecko* --- *Mail:* srecko.mi...@gmail.

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Stephen Blair
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Rob Wuijster wrote: > Yes, I can imagine Stephen was jumping with joy to be part of the AD > family again... ;-) > Getting laid off by Autodesk was the best thing that ever happened to me ;) Because I couldn't have planned a better career move. I can't deny I ha

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Angus Davidson
Good to hear ;) Hope it continues to be awesome On 20 Apr 2016, at 4:07 PM, Stephen Blair mailto:stephenrbl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Rob Wuijster mailto:r...@casema.nl>> wrote: Yes, I can imagine Stephen was jumping with joy to be part of the AD family again..

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Perry Harovas
Same here. Glad you were part of the acquisition. You help has always been invaluable and incredibly appreciated. On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Angus Davidson wrote: > Good to hear ;) Hope it continues to be awesome > > > On 20 Apr 2016, at 4:07 PM, Stephen Blair wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Grahame Fuller
Welcome back, Stephen. gray From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:07 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle On Wed, Apr 20, 2016

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Greg Punchatz
"We use Shotgun here and the general perception is that the development pace has appeared to slow since the acquisition. There has been updates and some nice stuff, but at the same time larger chunks that seem to be still pending." This has been our observation as well... some basic things like th

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Jason S
hink Solid Angle will likely be run autonomously like Softimage|CAT or Face Robot. Products which hit specific needs and don't necessarily fold into the larger company portfolio seamlessly. Matt Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:04:44 +0200 From: Olivier Jeannel Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires So

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Jason S
ously like Softimage|CAT or Face Robot. Products which hit specific needs and don't necessarily fold into the larger company portfolio seamlessly. Matt Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:04:44 +0200 From: Olivier Jeannel Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle To: "softimage@listproc

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Guy Rabiller
arger company portfolio seamlessly. Matt Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:04:44 +0200 From: Olivier Jeannel Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle To:"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Well, if you remember it was the same profile for Ice. They had that supa-crew of ice developpers that gave us

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-20 Thread Tenshi .
, as well as the duplication of staff > performing similar functions at the different companies. Reduction of staff > and merging operations is only one recession away - it's like a pendulum. > > That said, I think Solid Angle will likely be run autonomously like > Softimage|CAT o

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-21 Thread David Saber
Thanks for these numbers they represents what I felt in the industry around me as for XSI's popularity. What year was foundation out? 2006? I think it propelled XSI's adoption, despite what some people say. The company I was working in at the time, switched from Max to XSI, partly thanks to Foun

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-21 Thread Matt Lind
of a company claiming to be a market leader making such a release. Autodesk and co. added their 2 cents later and certainly didn't help matters, but they weren't the driving force. If it weren't for ICE, Softimage would've been dead a lot sooner. Matt Date:

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-21 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
Oh my god, parents again? Patents are worth nothing if you are not in the business of licensing patents, which Autodesk isn't in. Where these millions dollar patents exactly, and how is that worth 35 miliions? Hiring dozens of people in one shot plus a working business is worth millions, not som

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-21 Thread Angus Davidson
underlying issues but it doesn’t totally suck the big one out the box anymore. From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [mailto:luceri...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:39 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Oh my god, parents again? Patents are worth nothing

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-21 Thread Srecko Micic
So at the end AD just wanted devs and working business? \-- **Micic Srecko** \--- **Mail:** [srecko.mi...@gmail.com](mailto:srecko.mi...@gmail.com) **Skype**: srecko.micic \--- On Apr 21 2016, at 2:39 pm, Luc-Eric Rousseau w

RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-21 Thread Angus Davidson
No they never cared about the business long term From: Srecko Micic [mailto:srecko.mi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:51 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle So at the end AD just wanted devs and

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-21 Thread Mirko Jankovic
and looking at current tempo of actually making maya worth human interaction it could be usefull in how many decades? it wont even reach intuitive level of Softimage in years On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Srecko Micic wrote: > So at the end AD just wanted devs and working business? >

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

2016-04-21 Thread Graham Bell
We're still ok with it and I think we're doing some nice stuff with it considering we're not in the vfx/game space. But yeah, often it's like 'cmon guys, pick up the pace abit'. I wonder now that AD is subs based, if that will have any baring at all. On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:16 PM Greg Punchatz

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