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Good point, Fabian :-] It's done. There are now only two raafal mailing-lists: raa...@raafal.org and raafal-...@raafal.org (sending a message to raafal-subscr...@raafal.org or raafal-dev-subscr...@raafal.org will trigger subscription) Thanks Brent for the suggestion. -- guy rab

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>> [mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com >> >> <mailto:softimage-bounces@**listproc.autodesk.com>] >> On Behalf Of Guy >> Rabiller >> Sent: 12 October 2012 17:23 >> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.**com >> >>

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sk.com <mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: raafal Hey Brent, That's a tricky issue, I agree. I've considered the option to have only one english list, but that would have closed the door for some french users. Right now the most active l

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st active at any given time. > -- > Brent > > -Original Message- > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Guy Rabiller > Sent: 12 October 2012 17:23 > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com &

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Guy Rabiller Sent: 12 October 2012 17:23 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: raafal Hey Brent, That's a tricky issue, I agree. I've considered the option to have only one english list, but that would have closed the door for some french users. Right now the most active l

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012 19:36 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: raafal Guy says Kickstarter is for US citizens only. I didn't know about that. I wonder if there's an alternative. Dave On 10/11/2012 2:02 PM, Gene Crucean wrote: Definitely kickstarter worthy. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:22 AM

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your community from the beginning. -- Brent From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of David Gallagher Sent: 11 October 2012 19:36 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: raafal Guy says Kickstarter is for US citizens

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True, and totally for it. As far as I know it's friendly at all level (: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM, olivier jeannel wrote: > I do enjoy to have news of Fabric Engine and now Raafal on the list :) > I mean, the creators we all know them, some are friends, are coming from > XS

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I do enjoy to have news of Fabric Engine and now Raafal on the list :) I mean, the creators we all know them, some are friends, are coming from XSI. I feel it's quite positive compared to an "abandon ship" answer to the lasts weeks AD tsunami. plus the last Topolizer makes me

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. > > I understand where you're coming from - all I can say is that we > didn't start Fabric to flip it. There are many reasons why we started > the company, but the main desire was to innovate - as you identified, > having very few vendors is unhealthy for innovation. >

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ompany, but the main desire was to innovate - as you identified, having very few vendors is unhealthy for innovation. Anyway, this is a thread about Raafal so I will shut up :) -- Paul Doyle CEO Fabric Engine On 2012-10-11, at 7:29 PM, Guy Rabiller wrote: > > > Thanks Paul for clarifying

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wanting to help. Here you go: http://www.indiegogo.com/raafal-2013 Sorry for the poor 'selling speech'. Cheers, Guy. -- guy rabiller | raa.tel | radfac founder/ceo | raafal.org founder tel: (+33)977 195 006 | mob: (+33)675 183 146 | fax: (+33)972 288 293 Le 11/10/2012 20:32, Alan F

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es things a bit clearer. Guy - Good luck with the project and indiegogo. -- Paul Doyle CEO Fabric Engine On 2012-10-11, at 6:19 PM, Guy Rabiller wrote: > Thanks guys for wanting to help. > > Here you go: > http://www.indiegogo.com/raafal-2013 > > Sorry for the poor 'selling

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Thanks guys for wanting to help. Here you go: http://www.indiegogo.com/raafal-2013 Sorry for the poor 'selling speech'. Cheers, Guy. -- guy rabiller | raa.tel | radfac founder/ceo | raafal.org founder tel: (+33)977 195 006 | mob: (+33)675 183 146 | fax: (+33)972 288 293 Le 11/10/

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I got one of those letters from a lawyer once. It turns out he was also a zombie. Maybe it was a decease and desist. Zing. > > >

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l Message- > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Luc-Eric Rousseau > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:20 AM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Raafal > > a fun fact for everyone. > &

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Guy says Kickstarter is for US citizens only. I didn't know about that. I wonder if there's an alternative. Dave On 10/11/2012 2:02 PM, Gene Crucean wrote: Definitely kickstarter worthy. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Miquel Campos mailto:miquel.cam...@gmail.com>> wrote: Kickstar

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http://indiegogo.com/ then, "the other Kickstarter." On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Francois Lord wrote: > That would be true if kickstarter was available outside the U.S. > > > On 11/10/2012 14:02, Gene Crucean wrote: > > Definitely kickstarter worthy. > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:22

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That would be true if kickstarter was available outside the U.S. On 11/10/2012 14:02, Gene Crucean wrote: Definitely kickstarter worthy. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Miquel Campos mailto:miquel.cam...@gmail.com>> wrote: Kickstart? :P

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sseau Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:20 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Raafal a fun fact for everyone. A french guy did start to make a Softimage|3D (not XSI) open source clone back in the late 1990s! It was called Moonlight|3D! (yep, cloned the "|" pipe as well)

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a fun fact for everyone. A french guy did start to make a Softimage|3D (not XSI) open source clone back in the late 1990s! It was called Moonlight|3D! (yep, cloned the "|" pipe as well) Here is a screenshot: http://www.creativecrash.com/downloads/applications/3d-apps/c/moonlight-3d-atelier The

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The look itself is a mater of taste... But what about customizability? To me thats what has been lacking for a long time. There is a UI editor, but it never quite works as expected, and crashes a lot...

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Aaah, a user interface discussion. There's something about SI's UI that you guys definitely got right. I never came across another one that was as pleasant to the eye. I still enjoy that rubber-like effect when pressing a button... No harm if other people let themselves get inspired by it. The

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Count me in. On 11/10/2012 10:38, Greg Punchatz wrote: I know its not for making money.but if you need money to pay the bills while making this, I and a few thousand Softies would probably send you money to expedite the process.

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I don't know if I'm too influenced by the Softimage UI, but I find it just beautiful. Clear, ordered and perfectly working. And not at all old. On the contrary the appearence looks new to me. Otherwise I'd like to see what today which UI is called new as comparison. 2012/10/11 Luc-Eric Rousseau

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The guys at NothingReal told us at the time that Shake UI look was influenced by Softimage DS and Sumatra's look, and it's quite obvious. Mirai was also influenced. I don't think the XSI UI looks dated, but I do think that it's better to try innovate by creating new UI rather than replicating the

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Hey Guy, I did it with 2 intentions: to see what other people think about your initiative and obviously to see some people interested and join the adventure... For now, I can not help/participate so much but I will try anyway No offense, do it! Keep the hard work!! Sincerely, Ben

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"FabricEngine is more TDs/Devs oriented while raafal is more Artists oriented albeit TDs/Devs will find their ways too." Music to my ears I know its not for making money.but if you need money to pay the bills while making this, I and a few thousand Softies would probably

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read: "3D with Sales" -- guy rabiller | raa.tel | radfac founder/ceo | raafal.org tel: (+33)977 195 006 | mob: (+33)675 183 146 | fax: (+33)972 288 293 Le 11/10/2012 16:03, Guy Rabiller a écrit : Hi, As the founder of the raafal project, I wanted to clarify a few things. First,

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Hi, As the founder of the raafal project, I wanted to clarify a few things. First, it was not my intent to make such announcement on this list. It's far too early for that as the project just began. I'm not sure why Ben posted it here but he did it from his own initiative, not mine

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I'm a bit late to this conversation but building a whole new package from the ground up would be quite a task. Has anyone considered developing a UI for Blender that would act a lot like SI? Someone already did it for Max (I have no idea why or how good it is). The functionality of Blender s

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-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Kubicek Sent: 11 October 2012 13:03 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Raafal I've been wondering the same. Afaik Fabric Engine uses KL (Kernel Language) to allow acceleration of compute-intensive code (e.g. a deformer or a fluid si

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I've been wondering the same. Afaik Fabric Engine uses KL (Kernel Language) to allow acceleration of compute-intensive code (e.g. a deformer or a fluid sim), but I haven't understood yet in how far this could be used to accelerate the processing of e.g. a DAG. I imagine there is a lot of stuff

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I love those buttons and the way it grows... I have tested most all of 3D softwares available(professional ones) and XSI is in my opinion the best interfaced. But one thing bother me, as Jo said, about the Core / Architecture I understand that a scripting language can centralize all the external

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yeah give him a slap behind the ear will you Raph :) I would say that the look of these buttons is 'classic' On 11 October 2012 05:35, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: > Shut up and model! Younglings today... > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: > >> I think I landed in the in

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Shut up and model! Younglings today... On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: > I think I landed in the industry at a decent time missing the rather > clunky stuff. You elders can keep your "floppy" whatevers to yourselves. :P > > Surely better than it was, but surely can be broug

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I think I landed in the industry at a decent time missing the rather clunky stuff. You elders can keep your "floppy" whatevers to yourselves. :P Surely better than it was, but surely can be brought up to today's standards. Eric Thivierge http://www.eth

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Very very late 90's. There were no bevels or rounded corners until Sumatra. Stop sassin' the elders Eric, you just don't know what it was like... *SHUDDER* a scene for every pass. :) No render tree, script editor, texture editor, passes, overrides, ICE... It was horrible, we lived it with our gig

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Or windows 95! 2012/10/11 Greg Punchatz > LOL!! But truth be told while I LOVE nuke...I do miss my rounded nodes > from Shake, they seem so "modern" in comparison to the clunky square nodes > of Nuke. Square things remind me of the early nineties IRIX tools, which is > mostly just ugly. The

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He'll probably go off on some random text editing tool now, good job Greg! On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Greg Punchatz wrote: > LOL!! But truth be told while I LOVE nuke...I do miss my rounded nodes > from Shake, they seem so "modern" in comparison to the clunky square nodes > of Nuke. Sq

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LOL!! But truth be told while I LOVE nuke...I do miss my rounded nodes from Shake, they seem so "modern" in comparison to the clunky square nodes of Nuke. Square things remind me of the early nineties IRIX tools, which is mostly just ugly. The future has no sharp edges on buttons, because if

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+1 :D Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Andy Jones wrote: > The 2020's appeared as a holographic avatar and recommended that the > buttons be enormous, 3-dimensional, and semi-transparent, so you can use > the

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The 2020's appeared as a holographic avatar and recommended that the buttons be enormous, 3-dimensional, and semi-transparent, so you can use them with a gestural display on augmented reality headwear. On Wednesday, October 10, 2012, Eric Thivierge wrote: > Maybe that's because you're from the 80

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You outta have a doctor look at that. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Greg Punchatz Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:27 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Raafal Why not?..they make me feel

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Maybe that's because you're from the 80s era? :P The 1990s called and want their fuzzy bevels and oblong rounded corners back. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Greg Punchatz wrote: > Why not?..they make me

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Why not?..they make me feel warm and fuzzy ;) *Greg Punchatz* *Sr. Creative Director* Janimation 214.823.7760 www.janimation.com On 10/10/2012 5:10 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: Please don't use the S

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Please don't use the Softimage UI widgets as a design concept. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com

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2012 2:05 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Raafal > > ** ** > > Via Google Translate: > > *"Hello, I am announcing the creation of the project raafal. > > This is an application framework 3d, free, open source and cross-platform > for

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. *Greg Punchatz* *Sr. Creative Director* Janimation 214.823.7760 www.janimation.com <http://www.janimation.com> On 10/10/2012 1:04 PM, Alan Fregtman wrote: Via Google Translate: /"Hello, I am announcing the creation of the project raafal. This is an application framework 3d,

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Heck yeah! From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Alan Fregtman Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:05 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Raafal Via Google Translate: "Hello, I am announcing the creati

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www.janimation.com <http://www.janimation.com> On 10/10/2012 1:04 PM, Alan Fregtman wrote: Via Google Translate: /"Hello, I am announcing the creation of the project raafal. This is an application framework 3d, free, open source and cross-platform for professional use and an alternative

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gt; wait, PureBasic? > > http://www.purebasic.com/ordering.php > > its not free. > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alan Fregtman > wrote: > >> Via Google Translate: >> >> *"Hello, I am announcing the creation of the project raafal. >> >

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wait, PureBasic? http://www.purebasic.com/ordering.php its not free. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alan Fregtman wrote: > Via Google Translate: > > *"Hello, I am announcing the creation of the project raafal. > > This is an application framework 3d, free, open sourc

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Via Google Translate: *"Hello, I am announcing the creation of the project raafal. This is an application framework 3d, free, open source and cross-platform for professional use and an alternative to blender. internal code will be inspired concepts Blender and use of open-source libraries

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Based on a few comments on this list and reading the fine print, it looks like Guy Rabiller is making a fabric engine type dev platform but instead he is going open source. Look forward to both of these projects bringing us truly next generation tools. --