Please send the direct link if possible. This has to be responded to. Thanks.
Rod DiBona
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Are we talking about XL? I would guess that the crew that performed the
final cutbacks threaded the pipe too shallow. If the space above ceiling is
plenum space, the leaks may never show themselves below ceiling.
I would be interested to see a fitting cut in half in order to find out
whether t
We just had a similar issue where we had to replace a lot of 1" pipe in a rack
system that was installed approximately 2 yrs ago. The threads corroded
tremendously at the welded outlets in a rack system. I am convinced that in
this particular case part of the problem was a lack of pipe dope or t
(Greg) The concrete is not touching the drops that I can tell. There is a
small gap all the way around each drop through the concrete attic floor that
is filled with spray in foam.
(Todd) I'm not sure yet if the fittings are made in all the way yet as we
haven't disassembled anything yet, and I t
Is the concrete touching the drops or fitting?
Threads an inch above the fitting? wow
Greg McGahan
Operations Manager
Living Water Fire Protection
1160 McKenzie Road
P.O. Box 877
Cantonment, Florida 32533
(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231
g...@livingwaterfp.com
-Orig
I think your comment number 3 may be part of the problem, based on
what I am hearing. Also, are fittings made in all the way or can they
be? Are the drops threadable thinwall as well?
At 04:51 PM 7/10/2009, you wrote:
>I'm trying to get my arms around a really interesting problem at a local
>j
I think there is a lab in WA state which specializes in this. I think
their name is MCO?
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I'm trying to get my arms around a really interesting problem at a local
jail where a 7 year old sprinkler system is failing at a variety of spots
due to corrosion. I looked at the system this morning and here's what I
found:
1) The failures are happening at 1" 90's and tee's where a drop
Forest,
If you suspect that ACM (Asbestos Containing Materials) may be present then
proper precautions are a must. Keep in mind that the owner of the property,
facility and/or equipment etc is responsible for all costs associated with
the safe handling, mitigation and disposal of ACM since technic
Really NOT that difficult. If the valves are in good shape, bolts are easy
to remove, and working area is accessible then it would probably be better
to change the packings. Even if you change out the valve, now that you know
about the asbestos, you must dispose of the contaminated products correct
Yes, the consultant explained that. But the air must he monitored to
verify that it does not become airborne and the employees must be
trained on how to handle it so it does not become airborne.
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Check with an asbestos consultant, but most products containing asbestos can
be handled without making the asbestos airborn, thereby only requiring that
they be disposed of properly. Product containing asbestos are NOT deadly in
and alone of themselves, it's when the asbestos becomes airborn in dus
To cover all bases, I contacted the local OSHA consult office and was informed
of the following: If the old valve packing contained asbestos, then the
asbestos standard would apply.
The air would have to be monitored and workers trained about asbestos hazards.
So it seems it may be cheaper to r
Thank you for the e-mail, I am presently away on vacation at this time. I will
be returning the 16th of July, please re-contact me at that time, or if this is
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In my humble opinion, no.
Keep in mind that the distance between the deflector and ceiling is
measured throughout the area of coverage (except for ceiling pockets
and single vertical change (8.6.4.1.1.3). That does not sound like an
issue either (but it's often overlooked)
Roland
On Jul 1
Roland. Bottom line, does a 6" deep ceiling pocket without a
sprinkler in it constitute an unprotected pocket, even if the
distance from the deflector to the top of the pocket is less than 12"?
At 02:59 PM 7/10/2009, you wrote:
>That is the intent of the TC shown by their effort to clarify the
Thank you for the e-mail, I am presently away on vacation at this time. I will
be returning the 16th of July, please re-contact me at that time, or if this is
an urgent matter please contact Mark Hudson at
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That is the intent of the TC shown by their effort to clarify the
issue (see the 2010 ROP/ROC)
As for not allowing the QR reduction, it is explicitly stated in 13.
You're just looking in the wrong location. 8.6.7 tells about
protecting ceiling pockets (or not) whereas 11.2.3.2.3(4) allows t
Craig,
Could you forward that email?
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM, wrote:
> There was an e-mail yesterday with rebuttal comments from VFPA to the HBAV.
>
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection Specialist
> Mechanical Department
> CH2MHILL
> Lockwood Greene
> 1500 International Drive
> PO B
If you don't already own a set, purchase a set of "Packing pullers"
T-handled cork screw's for threading into old packing to assist in pulling.
Much neater than using old screw drivers.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-
Hey Tom we have the Ultra Sonic detector if you need to borrow one contact
me off forum.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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Thom,
An interesting thing about us "Out West" states; our water use
regulations typically go back to somewhere in second half of the
nineteenth century when exploitation was the watchword. Mining
regulations have changed, timber regulations have changed, railroad
regulations have changed, commerc
I was waiting for John to reply to this one because we have discussed this
before. (Check Archives) In NJ I believe that the RPZ is required if the FDC
is within a Specific distance to a non-potable water supply that could be
drafted for fire protection, or if the fire dept pumper regularly uses it
http://www.hbav.com/documents/10ReasonsWhyFireSprinklersTalkingPoints.pdf
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There was an e-mail yesterday with rebuttal comments from VFPA to the HBAV.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
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Where was this information published?
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
http://www.ch2m.com
-Orig
Barry,
Thanks for forwarding the VAHB diatribe. It's amazing the things you
learn when you learn to read.
For instance. I never knew that all these years I've been referring to
it incorrectly as the National Fire Protection Association. I never
knew that it was the National Fire Prevention
1- I didn't know that sprinklers detected smoke.
2- The misnomer of all sprinklers going off at once has been propagated
by Hollywood and Doritos.
3- OF COURSE there will be more water damage than fire damage when a
sprinkler goes off!!. They seem to forget how much fire damage would
occur had the
Too bad they didn't say these things about a person. There'd be cause
for a libel suit.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Maag, Barry wrote:
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> I just received an e-mail this morning that contained blatant lies about
> fire sprinklers made by the Virginia home builders association
I've seen two answers so far that rely on Aristotelian logic. The
first with how something operates and the second political. While both
may ultimately be correct, the tight sheetrock may act as the
escutcheon ring and the rules behind this may be political we don't
know. What we do know is that no
Hello All,
I just received an e-mail this morning that contained blatant lies about
fire sprinklers made by the Virginia home builders association. I copied
the text below directly from the Virginia Home Builders Association
website. I can send a direct link if anyone is interested.
10
Jay,
This looks like another example of our government dollars hard at work.
I am not aware of anything that states a sprinkler will or will not operate
without the escutcheon. Maybe a manufacturer's rep would be willing to
write a short statement explaining that while sprinklers and escutcheons
I have a customer that was hit by HUD as having a sprinkler that will not
operate because it is missing the the trim ring on a semi-recessed sprinkler.
They have since put one on, but the problem is they got hit with 17 points out
of a hundred for not having a working sprinkler. Under HUD, the
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