Re: Polybutylene

2017-03-31 Thread Mike Cabral
blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } There is or was a PEX to Poly adaptor however it would be subject to the listing of the replacement PEX material used.  Sent fr

Re: RE: Exposed CPVC

2017-03-27 Thread Mike Cabral
blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } There are UV issues with exposed CPVC in Direct sunlight. Check manufacture limitations.  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On

Re: Monolithic domes

2016-10-10 Thread Mike Cabral
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Re: Resi Riser

2016-07-22 Thread Mike Cabral
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Re: Soffits and Resid. Sprinklers

2016-06-09 Thread Mike Cabral
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Re: Tyco Dry Pipe Valve

2016-05-18 Thread Mike Cabral
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Re: NFPA 13 (07ed) - Dry system inspectors test size

2015-02-16 Thread Mike Cabral
The line can be larger the Standard only refers to a minimum size. 8.17.4.3.1 A trip test connection not less than 1 in (25 mm) in diameter . . . Mike Cabral Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:12 PM, rongreenman . wrote: > > Does it matter. The orifice size has to be the

Re: Relocate sprinklers with drops RETORT

2015-02-06 Thread Mike Cabral
no winners there. I don't read the standard as preventing the removal of a drop with the head made in. But not doing it might just be "Best Practice". Mike Cabral Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:49 PM, > wrote: > > Like shipping, unpacking and in

Re: Pipe Schedule including ¾"

2014-12-31 Thread Mike Cabral
That's an old one. 3/4 - one head 1"- two heads 1-1/4"- 3 heads 1-1/2"-5 heads 2"- 7 heads. From memory. In the old textile mills in New England FM had a program where the 3/4" was replaced with 1". Removed the 1x3/4x1/2 tee replaced it with 1x1x1/2 and replaced the 3/4" length of pipe keeping

Re: single interlock pre-action less than 20 heads

2014-12-16 Thread Mike Cabral
Confusing question under heading single interlock. If you have a dry pipe system, Pre-Action system single interlock or double interlock you will need supervisory air of some kind air compressor is most common however, N2 cylinder can be used. Any system 20 heads or more requires some type of su

Re: OS&Y tamper switches

2014-11-25 Thread Mike Cabral
The cost of one vs: two sets of contacts is in my view a minor price difference. There are few installations that require two contacts however, having a spare set of contact is never a bad idea should you need it. 1) You might see an occasion that both contacts are needed, one single pole doubl

Re: Ductile Iron Pipe

2014-11-25 Thread Mike Cabral
Well there is your empirical evidence. 99.93%. Smiley Face. Never have seen DI installed in the air for FP Service in my 40+ years. Water treatment/Sewer treatment used DI most of the time in the 70's large diameter which required shop fabrication. A great deal of this was cut grooved. Mike C

Re: Identification of preaction system types

2014-07-03 Thread Mike Cabral
Supervisory air is a necessary component for single interlock. No supervisory air and it's not even a dry pipe system. We are not getting required information regarding this installation. This might be a Supertex system using HAD's. From what I recall from the thread there was no releasing pan

Re: Identification of preaction system types

2014-06-30 Thread Mike Cabral
Is there a releasing control panel? Should be. Check the settings on the panel the position of the dip switches or program setting will inform you of system set up. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2014, at 8:12 AM, wrote: > > Ok, So what would be the tell-tale difference? > > Craig L. Prah

Re: difference in grooved fittings

2014-06-12 Thread Mike Cabral
channel shaped gasket which is responsive to pressure the pressure in the pipe puts force on the inside of the gasket forcing the gasket toward the sealing service. Regards, Mike Cabral Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:56 PM, "Douglas Hicks" wrote: > > What i

Re: Plastic Sprinkler Pipe

2014-05-24 Thread Mike Cabral
If it's 13R it can't be PEX it needs to be rated at 175 psi. I only know of orange color listed CPVC. Industrial CPVC is light gray still Post Chlorinated Polyvinyl Chloride however not listed for fire service. If your looking at an installation with gray CPVC installed there is going to be a

Re: Plastic Sprinkler Pipe

2014-05-23 Thread Mike Cabral
The color of the pipe is not a requirement of the listing agency's for fire protection. It's is the markings on the pipe. . . It's the information provided that is important. Rehau & Uponor have their standard white PEX tube listed by both UL & NSF. The Pressure rating for UL is 130psi @ 120

Re: Exhausters

2014-05-21 Thread Mike Cabral
Tyco Vizor Electronic Accelerator is only listed for Tyco DPV and a few discontinued Central Sprinkler and Star Sprinkler DPV's. Not that it would not operate as intended on on other valves the product is only listed for those valves shown on the Tyco Data Sheet TFP1105. Mike Cabral

Re: Finding a formula

2014-04-15 Thread Mike Cabral
nsion issue from the equation. The PEX pipe can also be tested with air to 200 psi below 120 degrees F for up to 48 hours. This information pertains to PEX Cross Linked PE and I'm not 100% sure that Standard PE pipe has the same properties as PEX pipe. Regards, Mike Cabral Sent from my iP

Re: Finding a formula

2014-04-15 Thread Mike Cabral
The PE pipe will expand and you will see a pressure drop as a result. Take a look at some of the PEX mfg sites and you will find data regarding testing methods. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Aaron Peck wrote: > > No, I got that. > > The plumber is telling me that it's n

Re: Water Chemistry/MJ gasket issues

2014-03-29 Thread Mike Cabral
This sounds like a site specific issue. Not likely that it's a product issue. My first thought was the lube used at installation. Most common elastomer used is EPDM which does not play well with hydrocarbons. Usually see some swelling initially not sure what happens long term. Trust the manu

Re: Quick response

2014-03-23 Thread Mike Cabral
The dust pans were made by Automatic Sprinkler Corp of America and were used in conjunction with Heat Actuated Devices on Supertex systems. An old rate of rise/fixed temp system that did not need power to operate. Small copper tube went from the HAD to a Mercery Check . . . through a release c

Re: Testing for Air Leaks in Dry Fire Sprinkler System

2014-02-12 Thread Mike Cabral
I would start with items that you can reach easily. The piping from the compressor to the system use soap type solution. The pressure relief valve on the trim is a low cost valve (cheep) cover it with a ballon and rubber band you will see it fill if leaking. Or just replace it. Same with the ins

Re: Escutcheons

2014-02-05 Thread Mike Cabral
That's my understanding as well. Concern for lodgment of components having an impact on the flow of water was one of the main issues along with maintaining min-max amount of recess. It was more of an issue with link sprinklers however, the seal still needs to clear the waterway. Mike Sent fro

Re: Calcium Chloride Loops?

2014-02-03 Thread Mike Cabral
AF and DRY for residential, in my view. > >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Mike Cabral wrote: >> >> Don't know about compatibility with CPVC that would need to be checked out >> with the manufacture. However, you still need to screw the head into a >> fitting a

Re: Calcium Chloride Loops?

2014-02-02 Thread Mike Cabral
put rovers on Mars but we can't keep NaCl2 in >> pipe? How about CPVC? >> >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Mike Cabral wrote: >>> >>> As I recall Calcium Chloride is very hard to contain. It will weep out of >>> perfect threaded connection, pac

Re: Calcium Chloride Loops?

2014-02-02 Thread Mike Cabral
As I recall Calcium Chloride is very hard to contain. It will weep out of perfect threaded connection, packing glands etc. Very slippery stuff. Mike C Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Brad Casterline wrote: > > In Sep 2010 I posted 'Calcium Chloride Loops'? > Somewhere alo

Re: jockey pump only

2014-01-31 Thread Mike Cabral
4_22&products_id=208&zenid=e836e61dfde28ed601fcf0068f39be27     Sorry if this message shows up twice having issues with e-mail on my phone. Mike Cabral Cell 314-412-1800 From: Matt Grise To: "sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org" Sent: Fr

Re: jockey pump only

2014-01-31 Thread Mike Cabral
I think it comes from LPC Standards. Potter makes a switch to control the pump. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:34, "Cahill, Christopher" wrote: > > OK, now I'm intrigued. What's different in the Dominion of Canada? (NFPA 24 > reference) > > Chris Cahill, PE* > Associate Fire

Re: jockey pump only

2014-01-31 Thread Mike Cabral
Still used a great deal in Canada here is a link. http://www.lyncarfire.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=44_22&products_id=208 Mike Cabral Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:03, Charles Thurston wrote: > > "Hello Matt, > > ADT used to have

Re: Paint Booth

2014-01-13 Thread Mike Cabral
entral did have a center strut fusible link. This head has a fusible link > made of 2 cups soldered to together. > > -Original Message- From: Mike Cabral > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 9:48 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Paint Booth >

Re: Paint Booth

2014-01-12 Thread Mike Cabral
n you are reporting. What was the make of heads in spare head cabinet? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Mike Cabral wrote: > > Do you have a photo of the link? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 10:41 PM, "Douglas Hicks" wrot

Re: Paint Booth

2014-01-12 Thread Mike Cabral
Do you have a photo of the link? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2014, at 10:41 PM, "Douglas Hicks" wrote: > > Can someone tell me what this head is? It is an SSU, brass, SR, fusible > link, 3/4 pipe marked A584 on the deflector and marked MHX on the frame. > There is no paint on the arms.

Re: Wet riser with flowswitch and no alarm valve

2013-12-28 Thread Mike Cabral
Shotgun is correct. Still requires main drain and pressure gauges city side and system side below the flow switch. There are many assemblies made for this purpose. Flow switch needs to ring a local alarm and supply signal to a alarm panel if more than 20 sprinkler heads are involved in the syst

Re: Sprinklers in basement of 13R (2007)

2013-11-20 Thread Mike Cabral
positioned in a manner that anticipates future installation of a finished ceiling.   Mike Cabral Cell 314-412-1800 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:26 PM, Mike Cabral wrote: Jay: That is a provision from 13D and not applicable to 13R.   Mike Cabral Cell 314-412-1800 On Thursday

Re: Sprinklers in basement of 13R (2007)

2013-11-14 Thread Mike Cabral
Jay: That is a provision from 13D and not applicable to 13R.   Mike Cabral Cell 314-412-1800 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:07 PM, Jay Stough wrote: We are taking over the project on a 6 family dwelling unit.  Since I don't do residential often, I want to make sure I am reading t

Re: NFPA25 scope

2013-11-08 Thread Mike Cabral
bility for the workmanship and materials that's it done.  The key word here is liability, now it's game on as to who gets left holding the bag and why 25 is such a week standard. Shifting of liability is like a game a musical chairs nobody want to be the guy left standing when the m

Re: air maintenance device for a pressure vessel

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Cabral
Tyco 200psi inlet 5-70psi outlet. Both Reliable and Globe are rated at 175 inlet pressure. Riser Mount Tank Mount? That sounds more like a compressor not AMD. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2013, at 7:34 PM, "Douglas Hicks" wrote: > Riser Mount or Tank Mount? > > -Original Message---

Re: air maintenance device for a pressure vessel

2013-10-14 Thread Mike Cabral
Question. Why would you need an AMD for the pressure vessel? The intent of the AMD is to restrict the flow of air to allow the DPV or Pre-action valve to operate. It has a bypass for filling. To my knowledge 50 psi is the max pressure allowed on a DPV. Higher pressure can damage the seat gasket

Re: Sprinkler broken in 05 star hotel guest rooms

2013-10-05 Thread Mike Cabral
These activations happened on the same day or different days? The location of the head is in the same position in each room? Look for the common condition in each room. This sounds like many other activations caused by clothing hanger over time. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2013, at 8:33

Re: showers included in bathroom area

2013-10-03 Thread Mike Cabral
; On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Mike Cabral wrote: > >> I seem to recall that the 8" lintel and 8' opening was language that was >> originally intended to better define application of the small room rule. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct

Re: showers included in bathroom area

2013-10-03 Thread Mike Cabral
I seem to recall that the 8" lintel and 8' opening was language that was originally intended to better define application of the small room rule. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2013, at 11:33 AM, "rongreenman ." wrote: > Door frame, not door, so that implies the hole does not need a door. > >

Re: Fire Alarm

2013-09-27 Thread Mike Cabral
Helpful link: http://www.pottersignal.com/fire/batterytools.php   Mike Cabral Cell 314-412-1800 From: Bob To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:43 AM Subject: RE: Fire Alarm Thanks, Bob Knight, CET III 208-318

Re: old 14.5k ecoh brass upright

2013-09-22 Thread Mike Cabral
I think Reliable makes or made a VELO Pen with a 14.5 K factor. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Greg McGahan wrote: > We need to replace 3 painted heads in an existing storage room that currently > has 14.5 k heads. Going to the closest Equivalent head changes the K factor >

Re: Flow switch for 6" sch80

2013-09-19 Thread Mike Cabral
Can you use a pressure switch to detect a drop in pressure rather than a vain type flow switch? If there is a jockey pump and therefore a steady system pressure you should be able to detect the pressure drop from static pressure to residual pressure. Potter makes a pressure switch with a pneum

Re: NFPA 25 Texas

2013-09-09 Thread Mike Cabral
As I recall Texas is a Min- Max State. Local can't be more stringent than state requirements. When I was working with local jurisdiction on residential ordinance which wanted passive purge systems the State killed the process. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:48 PM, "Cahill, Christoph

Re: Shoulder Nipple

2013-09-06 Thread Mike Cabral
e was converted to office space. It was all old pipe sch systems with 3/4" feeding the last head. Replaced thousands of those 3/4" lines. It was a hot item for FM back then late 60's early 70's.   Mike Cabral From: Bill Sh

Re: dry pnds off dry system

2013-07-12 Thread Mike Cabral
Must be > 40 degF correct? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Forest Wilson wrote: > Standard wet heads > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2013, at 11:14 AM, "Martinez, Dewayne" > wrote: > >> I have a small building which has both unheated / heated spaces. I am >> going

Re: segmented-welded fittings

2013-06-25 Thread Mike Cabral
I'm not sure they have to be listed however, most AHJ's like to see the mark. I do think the process has to meet some certification as well as the welders. QC. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 25, 2013, at 3:21 PM, wrote: > Why do fittings have to be "listed"? > > Ron F > > -Original Message--

Re: segmented-welded fittings

2013-06-25 Thread Mike Cabral
Just to give equal time to a firm that supports the AFSA I have done business with Texas Manufacturing for more than 30 years. I'm not saying That IOWA does not support AFSA I just know these guy's and the products they make are of great quality. Listed products, certified welders and all aroun

Re: 13R local alarm

2013-05-29 Thread Mike Cabral
Using smoke detectors at first blush seems like a bad idea. A separate sounder that would indicate water flow in my view be a better choice. Many local jurisdictions require this and the intent is to notify occupants. The sounder Mike Henke noted has been a staple in the State of CA for years. T

Re: Listed 400psi weld-o-lets

2013-05-07 Thread Mike Cabral
orking pressure as the couplings attached to > them. > > Steve > > Mike Cabral wrote: > > I think this is the same issue you experienced when looking for listed > high pressure pipe. The 300 psi listing is all the manufacture asked for. > > Sent from my iPhone > >

Re: Listed 400psi weld-o-lets

2013-05-07 Thread Mike Cabral
I think this is the same issue you experienced when looking for listed high pressure pipe. The 300 psi listing is all the manufacture asked for. Sent from my iPhone On May 7, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Roland Huggins wrote: > Me thinks that is a class rating that does indeed come out of the steam worl

Re: Old style deflector

2013-05-01 Thread Mike Cabral
15:34:30 -0700   Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438-1338 From: Todd - Work To: "sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org" Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Old style deflector No real question other th

Re: sprinkler thesaurus

2013-04-06 Thread Mike Cabral
Ron you quack me up. See what I did there! DuckTape. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Ron Greenman wrote: > And you always use duck tape on the ducks. > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, John Drucker wrote: > >> "Grey Gold".Duct Tape. >> John Drucker - Mobile Email >>

Re: Saddle type sprinkler head

2013-03-18 Thread Mike Cabral
Well that's one I have never seen before. If you need to replace it try to match the hole size with some kind of outlet fitting and install a head on that. Looks a little like a conventional deflector. Good luck with that one. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Joel Chaim" wro

Re: Flow switch problem

2013-02-22 Thread Mike Cabral
Just wait until the Federal Government gets involved regarding water conservation. I did some research and if Australia is to be the model and I think it will . . . water recovery, testing intervals, matching system demand with supply (clay valve on every system) Fire pump testing stretched way

Re: Flow switch problem

2013-02-20 Thread Mike Cabral
Ames did supply a replacement spring back in early 2000's and that did help. However, they did extensive testing and found that the real cause is because of trapped air. Please trust me on this I worked for a switch mfg. for 13 years and have had to deal with this short cycle issue hundreds of

Re: Flow switch problem

2013-02-20 Thread Mike Cabral
This sounds like a short cycle caused by to much air in the system. If you watch the switch during flow the trip stem will fluctuate and reset the retard device. As water enters the system the air in the system will compress. When the pressure equalizes the back flow will close and water flow wi

Re: CI in dry systems

2013-02-14 Thread Mike Cabral
Back when the Red Book fit in my back pocket fittings had to be CI. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2013, at 3:23 PM, "Tom Duross" wrote: > MI but I'd use DI over MI because of the lack of memory. > I've been a fan if DI for years. > I just thought it strange. I know from my plumbing side CI i

Re: CI in dry systems

2013-02-14 Thread Mike Cabral
Are they calling out MI or DI. It's true that gas piping is usually MI. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2013, at 2:37 PM, "Jeff Garrison" wrote: > They are more "brittle" than Ductile or Malleable iron, thus can crack > easier in a freeze-up, > but any of the above will fail with a bad fre

Re: Looking for ideas- Fire Protection Engineering presentations

2013-02-05 Thread Mike Cabral
Now that was an impressive posting. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2013, at 2:57 PM, å... wrote: > It is great to see someone stepping up and mentioning the fire failures. > For sure, that is where I learn more, because in the successes, we rarely > think upon, or determine, how big the saf

Re: Domestic Materials

2013-02-05 Thread Mike Cabral
lunch well . . . . I hope you get my point.   KISS one mfg. one phone call. Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438-1338 From: "rfletc...@aerofire.com" To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:42

Re: Domestic Materials

2013-02-05 Thread Mike Cabral
The standard can say whatever it wants. Bottom line is that you will end up with two manufactures pointing fingers at each other. It just makes it harder to resolve. Not my fitting. Not my coupling. Must be workmanship? It's just better from the start if the joint is from the same mfg. Sent f

Re: Domestic Materials

2013-02-04 Thread Mike Cabral
Victaulic is domestic, foundry right there in Easton PA. Tyco also has a domestic foundry in Anniston AL. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2013, at 6:22 PM, "Bob" wrote: > I have a project that I'm designing that requires domestic materials. I've > looked at Viking, TYCO, GruvLok, Victaulic, a

Re: Working pressure rating of pipe

2013-02-01 Thread Mike Cabral
s are subject to this method.   Below is a link to a pdf document of Pressure Ratings of steel pipe.   http://www.kalhour.com/downloads/psi_chart_as_per_pipe_wt.pdf     Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438-1338 - Original Message - From: Richard Mote To: "spri

Re: Dry Standpipe 5 year pressure test enquiry.

2013-01-29 Thread Mike Cabral
I think that's right filling the line is the larger issue. Vent the air at the top and I'm old school and always used a hand pump to build pressure. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Thomas Watt wrote: > I may be off base since I am unfamiliar with Canadian rules and > regulati

Re: Anti-Freeze Question

2013-01-23 Thread Mike Cabral
First post said 13R seems right to me. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Roland Huggins wrote: > There is a delivery restriction of 15 seconds on dry residential systems (for > residential sprinklers per the siting and spray sprinklers per 13). Just out > of curiosity, what sy

Re: Anti-Freeze Question

2013-01-23 Thread Mike Cabral
y two cents worth. Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438-1338 - Original Message - From: "accentf...@aol.com" To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: Anti-Freeze Question To My Esteemed/Steamed Collea

Re: First this, THEN football

2013-01-20 Thread Mike Cabral
Potter makes a CPVC Glue in water flow switch VSR-SG should you need water flow detection which I assume you would need because it can't be a 13D job with the retail area. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Vince Sabolik wrote: > Bruce, > > Thanks. My intent is to leave 3 hsw'

Re: Drip Pan over switch gear

2013-01-18 Thread Mike Cabral
What is the NEMA Rating of the enclosure of the switch gear of the panel if it' NEMA 3R or NEMA 4 you would not need any protection. 3R will be ok in the rain- NEMA 4 will be good with direct water spray. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2013, at 1:37 PM, "Bobby Gillett" wrote: > About 11 yea

Re: Pre-.05 density heads: What heads can be used as a replacement ?

2013-01-09 Thread Mike Cabral
I looking at a similar issue right now that deals with the size of a pressurized (not cheep) tank designed / to old low flow heads. Modifications to the system. . . Now I can't get 10 min duration with the same tank. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2013, at 4:21 PM, "Sean Lockyer" wrote: > >

Re: Pre-.05 density heads: What heads can be used as a replacement ?

2013-01-09 Thread Mike Cabral
I think you need to call the manufacture of the head you’re replacing. As I remember things there was a new low flow low pressure head every few months. I think it was as much about wall wetting as anything else. It was all black magic in those days. Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412

Re: Sprinklers

2012-12-22 Thread Mike Cabral
Grunau as I recall was a mfg. and a contractor. Star purchased the product line and Grunau remained a contractor. I think there were family ties with the two firms. They had a full line of products. Star, Central and the Gem (Grinnell) line all now fall under what is now Tyco. Over the years t

Re: Sprinklers

2012-12-21 Thread Mike Cabral
> Grunau was purchased by Star, Star/Grunau was purchased by Tyco. So Tyco > might be your best shot of getting details on a product. Have a wonderful Christmas all. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Todd Letterman wrote: > Does anyone have any information on a Grunau Fire Spr

Re: Bladder Tank for 13D

2012-12-14 Thread Mike Cabral
lbows as the material is able to bend to make the turn without fittings.   Perhaps a small out building would be in order for both the water storage and the pump.   Just my 2 cents worth at first blush. Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438

Re: Right Angle Valve Orientation

2012-12-04 Thread Mike Cabral
Angle valves used on hose racks are globe valves. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:52 PM, Ron Greenman wrote: > I would think the more interesting question would be why are these > globe valves (which everyone is assuming since I never saw this stated > in the explanatory material) ins

Re: Right Angle Valve Orientation

2012-12-04 Thread Mike Cabral
Some 40 years ago I was taught that the direction of flow when installing a globe valve was important for two reasons. 1. With the water pressure under the seat the valve will open easer. 2. It will also keep pressure off the stem packing in the closed position. It has also been my experience t

Re: elevator fluids

2012-11-26 Thread Mike Cabral
Question regarding sump pump? What do you discharge the pump into? Storm drain? Or to a holding tank of some kind? Just curious. Thank Sent from my iPhone On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:17 PM, jim.robe...@fluor.com wrote: > > Ed, > > I have also found that it is good to get the actual cut-sheet wit

Re: Pipe support spacing requirements for structural supports

2012-11-10 Thread Mike Cabral
I think spacing considerations are sometimes called out by the mfg of the type of connection being used. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2012, at 8:46 AM, "Bill Brooks" wrote: > I definitely don't agree with this. Pipe racks are routinely installed in > industrial settings and are used for tran

Re: trip time per nfpa 25

2012-10-25 Thread Mike Cabral
> C.Gregg Key, SET > Key Fire Protection Services,Inc > Project Manager > (O) 706-790-3473 > (C) 706-220-8821 > > -Original Message- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Cabral > Sen

Re: trip time per nfpa 25

2012-10-25 Thread Mike Cabral
erforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Cabral > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:40 AM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Cc: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: trip time per nfpa 25 > > I would check to

Re: trip time per nfpa 25

2012-10-25 Thread Mike Cabral
I would check to make sure that the air supply to the DPV is working as it should. The time to trip should never be that long. Is the by-pass open? Sounds like the make-up air is supplying to much air. The make up air needs to be restricted. The supply line to the Inspectors Test can be larger t

Re: Air Supply

2012-10-05 Thread Mike Cabral
The air we breath is 78% N2 I think you might want to check into this further. 97 or 98% N2 is about right? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2012, at 6:52 PM, "Tom Duross" wrote: > N2 Blast #250. 2 1/2" replacement main x 100' with 500' of 1" branches. > Relatively small. I2 5BRx2B bungalow. 1

Re: black sch 40 painted vs galv schedule 10

2012-09-19 Thread Mike Cabral
Black steel sch 40 with cut grooves is in my view the best option. Gal. Pipe with any imperfection will cause localized corrosion at any point that has lost the protection of galvanized coating. Roll grooves for example. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Todd Williams wrote: >

Re: Listed Solenoid Valve

2012-08-23 Thread Mike Cabral
I agree with Sal. If you use just a solenoid valve what about power back up? If you loose power you loose the sprinkler system. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 11:18 PM, "tfscolor...@aol.com" wrote: > Jim, in the State we operate this is a requirement. We use either Burkert, > Parker

Re: Cali - drains

2012-08-21 Thread Mike Cabral
can. . .  (Additives to sprinkler water . . . don’t get me started.)     Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438-1338 - Original Message - From: "Cahill, Christopher" To: "sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9

Re: Flange Question

2012-08-20 Thread Mike Cabral
Do you have enough space to transition to a grooved reducer with 150# 741 flange on one end and a 300# 743 on the other. You can get an eccentric reducer if needed... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Tom Duross" wrote: > That's my option #2. > A 6x5x9" L. reducer but all 6" p

Re: an ice plug 'by the way'

2012-08-09 Thread Mike Cabral
The dry pendent will hit the radius of the 90 and you can't make up the head. The top of the DP extends well beyond the pipe wall. I have never used a pipe o let but I assume it would work. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2012, at 11:16 PM, wrote: > Hi Brad, > The reason you don't screw a dry p

ISU v Richard "Rick" Coble, Ph.D. | Doing the right thing is always the right thing.

2012-08-09 Thread Mike Cabral
Some info on Dr. Coble Sent from my iPhone ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum

Re: NFPA 25 inspection of sprinklers with heat collector plates installed

2012-08-02 Thread Mike Cabral
The heat collector shown looks like a product mfg by ASCOA which was intended for use with HAD's for Supertex Systems. I think the product was listed for the application however not intended for sprinklers only for HAD's . I assume same principals would apply to a HAD as a sprinkler. ASCOA was

Re: residential obstructions

2012-06-12 Thread Mike Cabral
Nobody sleeping in the doorway except on some holidays. With this small a space and location, wall wetting height is in my view not a big issue. You have the area covered with what you have. Some common sense would be in order here. Adding a second head won't do anything . . . first one to opera

Re: Normally closed butterfly valves

2012-05-30 Thread Mike Cabral
What Mike H said. Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Mike Henke wrote: > Bruce, > > You have to be careful about this. Some people think it is just a matter of > wiring the switch backwards. > > Monitoring the valve in a normally closed position does not just mean you use > t

Re: Normally closed butterfly valves

2012-05-30 Thread Mike Cabral
Most of the BFV with internal switch have an NO. NC. wiring option that's why you see many leads coming from the switch. The position of the cam tab inside many valves will not allow you use a PIV switch. You can contact Potter which can provide you with some information or a bracket which will

Re: this one sounds ugly

2012-05-22 Thread Mike Cabral
Not sure however, I have known that company since 1977 a fine well run firm. I would suspect that making any comment to an open forum like this would make any lawyers head explode. Mike C. Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 3:26 PM, "Tom Duross" wrote: > Aren't Hampshire Fire members h

Re: certified gauges

2012-05-16 Thread Mike Cabral
Calibration of a good quality gauge is a tool that should be in every service truck. Just do a google search and you can find a local lab that will calibrate your gauge to ISO and other standards. You send it out to be checked on a regular basis. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 1

Re: small orifice head on dry pipe

2011-10-31 Thread Mike Cabral
Matt:  Here is a link to Potter's corrosion products.   http://www.pottersignal.com/corrosion/   * Potter Electric Announces Nitrogen Generator for Corrosion Protection Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438-1338 From: Matt

Water Supplies (MIC and Corrosion testing)

2011-10-31 Thread Mike Cabral
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Re: Water quality for sprinklers

2011-10-25 Thread Mike Cabral
(pun intended.)     Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438-1338 From: Mario Berrios To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Water quality for sprinklers contact Aquacell at  www.aquacell.c

Re: MIC Testing

2011-10-21 Thread Mike Cabral
Brian: Here is a link to Potter Corrosion products:   http://www.pottersignal.com/corrosion/testing.aspx   Mike Mike Cabral Phone 636-451-0533 Cell 314-412-1800 e-Fax 636-438-1338 From: Brian Fain To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Friday, October 21

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