> alcohol can be a pain
I wonder if that has to be? One knock against alcohol is that its flame
isn't as strong in an ambient breeze. Doesn't a JvR Type C boiler (a
sort of half pot-boiler, half single-flue with a firebox) address that
problem?
Regarding wick adjustment problems, there are s
> Is butane or alcohol more readily available world wide?
Definitely alcohol! And, should commercial supplies get scarce, you
can make your own, which you definitely cannot say about butane. A
butane-fired loco is similar to your current automobile (if you're an
average citizen). It's highly
> I wonder at the stats AristoCraft and LGB provided.
I have a theory about this: LGB is losing market share, as their
products continue the "we are just a toy maker" line, or in some cases
get even less realistic than their earlier trains, while AristoCraft is
gaining market share as their tra
There's no question that alcohol is more readily available than the gas
(butane or butane/propane mix that most gas users use), but alcohol can be
a pain. You have to start up with an extra fan. Getting the right wick
material, height etc. can be an even bigger pain. And frankly from my
observation
Uh oh, didn't mean to ruffle feathers!
I was speaking of surveys in general.
Of those who responded to Aster's survey
who were they is a better question. The best
survey would be either all Aster customers or
a true random sample. A random sample would mean than if you were picked
you could not re
Gary, the focus group was CURRENT ASTER OWNERS, so you are saying you think
aster customers are " unemployed ? I doubt it, retired, I hope I'm buying
20k engines when I retire, disabled..maybe , stuck at home? plenty of us
make it to DH and with our Aster engines. But maybe some do get snowed in.
Hi Guys,
Based on David,s feedback of the discussion he witnessed and
confusing projections, suggests this "input" from manufacturers or
"conclusions" and guesstimates of the needs of the customers, could one of
be the prime reasons the market is flooded by the many "oddball" scales
being
Gary, With a little looking,I think you can find butane or alcohol almost
anywhere.
BTW I like your web site, always makes me smile, the audio is great!
Jeff in NC
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Dave Cole wrote:
>>>they get the results like "80 percent of current steamers prefer alcohol" (five
>>>minutes at diamondhead would tell you that's way, way off)<<<
While butane may be the most prevalent fuel in use at Diamondhead it does not
necessarily mean it is by choice. I would like to ha
Is butane or alcohol more readily available world wide?
Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor
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I fully agree with /dmc regarding surveys.
I wish to add that surveys are only as good as the sampling method. If the
sampling is skewed then results are either skewed (how much is the question)
or completely bogus. Volunteers for a survey tend to be bored (unemployed,
retired, disabled, stuck at h
Dave, the survey I mentioned was asking what type of fuel would you like to
see used in their next offering. With the limited offerings we see in this
hobby they can sell you what is cheaper for them to produce..gas firing.
All but Aster follow this line of thinking. Or so it looks to me.
At 3:13 PM -0700 3/15/03, Vance Bass wrote:
It would be really interesting to see the same
survey conducted by Roundhouse or Accucraft.
last week jon dekeles of largescale online gave a presentation at the
bagrs annual meeting in which reveal the answers to some basic
questions of five different
Jeffery is the Giraffe from Toys Are US - right?
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:37:58 -0800, Geoff Spenceley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well said, Tony,
>
>Toot toot to Jeffrey--why, he even spells his name wrong! Tch, Tch!!
>
>However I wish we had a train up here--even if it was a K27 with JEFFREY a
I don't see any reason why a "limited sampling" of all listers wouldn't
be of great interest to manufacturers. And to the listers. I, for one,
would like to see a survey such as Mr Pitts suggested, even knowing
that the universe is constrained by those with internet access (or, more
accurate
Vance, In a recent conversation with Jim Pitts, he talked about doing a
survey to see "Who" is in this hobby, and collect information like: age,
background,education,where do you live, how many engines, what kind,
ect,ect. some information may be sensitive like "income" so one would need
to be dis
It certainly makes sense that it would be Aster. Their past products
have been more aligned with the UK/European tastes than American.
And, given that so many of their previous locos have been alcohol
fired, it also makes sense that the people responding to an Aster
survey (i.e., current Aste
Gary, there are times when butane is 'kinder" fuel. However it is a little
pricey compared to alcohol. It costs me as much for distilled water as it
does for alcohol when measured in run time. I will boil between 5& 6 gallons
of water with 1 gallon of fuel. But if you look at how much fuel you use
My objection to butane firing vanishes once I modify the burner into a
radiant type butane burner.
Alcohol has some nice features, but the contained butane flame appeals to
those running locos in a mall for example.
Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.co
The survey was taken by Aster, It was almost a year ago, they wanted input
on what we wanted to see next in a U.S./ North American outline engine, and
what type of fuel, I don't remember what other questions. However the
results showed almost as many different engines an there were responses to
th
Bob:
Aster Bigboy is coal/gas fired, Allegheny is alchy/coal, other engines are
mixed fuel types as well.
Jim
In a message dated 3/15/03 11:22:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< maybe they could do dual fuel, maybe gas/coal... >>
I would sure be interested in where that survey came from!? I think that it
would be rather difficult to coal fire a gas flue tubed boiler. You do sor
> In a recent survey almost 80% of current steamers prefer
> spirit fireing over gas.
Jeff, that's a very interesting statistic! I'm curious who conducted the
survey, who responded, etc. Although alcohol is the traditional fuel in
the UK, all the currently available locos from Roundhouse and
Where was this survey at? Who was surveyed? Where is it reported?
Mike Eorgoff
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Subject: Re: Accucraft live steam Daylight GS-4:
Well said, Tony,
Toot toot to Jeffrey--why, he even spells his name wrong! Tch, Tch!!
However I wish we had a train up here--even if it was a K27 with JEFFREY as
the driver! Sorry--engineer!
Geoff.
Yup,
> Dem Hobbits can sure run fast after dem Duchess's though!.
>
> I also know no
Have they determined fuel type yet? In a recent survey almost 80% of current
steamers prefer spirit fireing over gas. If they feel the need to offer gas
for the "newbees," maybe they could do dual fuel, maybe gas/coal...
Jeff in NC
My only gripe is the price.
But, considering the amount of work to make one, which one of us would make
them for that amount of money and still feed his family?
Perhaps we "not so rich" live steamers need to consider buying trains like
some plane owners do, as a consortium or small group who pool t
Really exciting Jeff! I saw the sparkie version at The Train Shop
Yesterday. Looks nice. I really have to convince Bing, Charlie and
Cliff to start thinking hard about a live steam version of their West
Side Heisler!! I would love one of those. Can't wait to see that
Daylight in action.
E
Keith, I found a guy in Oklahoma a couple of years ago who does
sand casting for items such as you described -- ornamental stuff in the
"real world". I sent him a pattern and had him cast up a batch of
wheels. Alas, what came back was completely unusable (excapt as
paperweights, of which ther
> Harry, there are casting foundries around to do brass, bronze, etc.,
> but try to find one that will do grey iron! They just stare at you a
while,
> then say "I don't have any idea where to get the metal for that."
>
Vance,
Not for investment castings, but for fine French sand castings, the
Aub
Hi Earle
The only thing to watch is the heat build up in the batteries while
charging. This is dependent on the charger used (a trickle charger
builds minimal heat and produces minimal punch) I use a charger from
my RC racing days and set it at 1.5 amps - usually charges them in 20
minutes.
The
Thanks for the response! Your setup would be great for my Forney as I could
mount a charging plug under the bunker and avoid having to remove it to swap
batteries (on the Forney you must unscrew the bunker mounting screws and
carefully remove it to avoid scratching the paint!). Thanks!
> Hi Earle
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