Victor,
This locomotive was discontinued because the "out of synch counterweights"
caused such a vertigo in the viewers of the motion that they couldn't watch
without regurgitating. The engineers couldn't figure out why everyone was
puking everytime they pulled into a station. Eventually, th
Even tho track laying is a long way off, I'd like to see info on the T gauge.
royce w
Sam Evans wrote:
> Things you might find useful are roller gauges for making switches and a
> T gauge for curved track. The latter puts an easment into the gauge on
> curves, a larger one the more sharply the
Harry Wade wrote:
>
If there's not enough material you're screwed before you
> start and this happens more often than you might suspect.
>
> Cheers,
> Harry
>
That's why I married my wife . . . lot'sa material. : )
royce w
Ferdinand wrote:
> . . ., of course he'll
> have to dig it up too!!
>
Just tell him it's a bone.
royce w
Tag Gorton wrote:
>
>
> >
> Personally I much prefer the pop type for obvious reasons and have gradually
> acquired replacement valves for all my steam locomotives.
>
>
Thanks for the informative response, Tag.
royce w
> Casey (et al),
> Axle holes are rarely cored into castings, at least typical castings,
Casey, Harry, lurkers, etc :
Actually, my caster suggested that I include a thru hole
in the center of the lug smaller than the final axle
diameter. His thought was that it would minimize
exces
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
There are some
> that actually will need to be sanded off, the surface undergoes a chemical
> change that is more than surface exfoliation and staining.
> Walt
And what brand might those be ? I can't believe that
there aren't more durable (than what I've used) pro
Trent Dowler wrote:
>
> Hi Royce,
>
> The flexshaft that I bought (Dremel brand, but several years old) has a square
>shape to the inner
> flexshaft itself. It resembles a tightly wound spring running inside a rubber coated
>sleave. The
> square end of the shaft fits into an adapter that s
Casey Sterbenz wrote:
>
> May I assume that the patterns for the counterweights and the crank boss are
> simply glued in place, with everything then faired in using some brand of
> body putty? There also seems to be some further machine work that must be
> done on the rim to produce the rough
Tag Gorton wrote:
> These pop valves are much sought after! I much prefer them to the modern
> Health and Safety dribbler version.
>
How are they different ?
royce w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Seriously, though, patination is only a surface treatment and will rub off
> with excessive handling.
> Bob
>
My limited experience with "brass black" type colorants is
that they are not very durable. Do the more industrial
treatments like Brownell's gun bluing type
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> << >I would propose that the keeper of the patterns make rubber or RTV
> > >silicon molds of the patterns, cast them in wax and make permanent metal
> > patterns.
>
> The "pattern" I offered to donate is already cast in silicon bronze. >>
> Royce-
> Actually
Trent Dowler wrote:
Sorry, I didn't pay any attention
> to current price but I think I gave under $20 for mine (about 10 years ago).
Trent,
Went over to the local home improvement center yesterday
to get a burr for my driver pattern project
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Small_Scale_St
Nice to hear from you Jon. I figured you were out there somewhere building
locos as fast as you could. Beautiful job ! Is this the one I saw some
years ago at a steamup (in Long Beach, CA?) that you had just begun?
royce w
"J.D. Toumanian" wrote:
> Jun-
> I have built two of these, these pic
Thanks, Trent. I DO have an old Dremel to which I could presumably attach a
flexshaft. Now,
am I to presume that the flex shafts come with some sort of collet into which bits can
be
inserted? And I'm sure that I can get one around here if I decide that I can't live
without
one. But so far
> . . . Examples in the USA are the Fordham(sp?)
> tools. Charles
>
I am familiar with Fordham tools, but Bob mentioned that the flexshafts he was
referring to could be "picked up cheap". If so, where ?
royce w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> but to me, for my uses, even a flexshaft hooked to a sewing machine motor has
> always been more useful and versatile. You can get a flexshaft for quite cheap
> and find an old sewing machine and take the foot pedal and motor and have a
> really good set up for cheap
Trent Dowler wrote:
> Royce,
> I believe it was Kevin Strong who mentioned
> the kits.
>
One thing I've noticed about egroups is that it is harder to keep track of people
without their faces. It would help ME if we personalized our correspondents with
pictures.
royce w
VR Bass wrote:
> to bend the steam feed line up against the
> bottom of the boiler, and clamp it there with the boiler bands.
Wouldn't this ensure contact with a surface in contact with water (vs steam)? I
realize that the air will likely be cooler than the boiler shell, but the heat transfe
So, where are you?
Scott McDonald wrote:Hey Royce! You live close by, if you want to put your lathe in
my basement,
I've got room! ;-)
royce w
Ian McKinley wrote:
the question of plans. Where did they come from ?
Ian, I have made all my drawings/sketches from measurements of the prototype
(an extensive task). I hope to someday publish them ala Kozo.
royce w
Harry Wade wrote:
>What I'd think will affect the extent of expansion more
> than anything else will be the amount of cooling of steam taking place
> along that same path.
>
Well said, Harry.
royce w
Ferdinand wrote:
> I have a lathe on my xmas wish list, and other bill priorities keep eating into the
>lathe budget.
>
And don't you have a new child? Wait till THEY start eating into your budget. : ) Of
course, kids don't require as
much "precision" to make as our little steamers, but th
Walt,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Everytime I had something set up in the milling machine or one of the lathes,
> a paying job would come in and I'd have to take down my hobby setup and do work
> for money.
I don't use my metalworking equipment to make money. In fact, I have to try to
find thi
Chris Wolcott wrote:
> I would think a large line leading to a smallish cylinder (Such as a RUBY)
> would 'overload' it, making it nearly impossible to let the expansion of the
> steam be a factor in powering the engine.
I suspect that there is a trade off between an unobstructed feed (slow st
Harry Wade wrote:
> Then again the pattern could be built up with wax or other
> material as needed to bring it back to form.
A number of friends (not steamers) suggested that. But I rekoned that the
amount of work to make sure there were NO lines at the interface of the old
and added on po
Harry Wade wrote:
> Did the development of the master take into consideration double
> shrinkage?
Harry,
Well, it was supposed to have. But I relied on "industry estimates" of
shrinkage of about 4%, which is not entirely accurate. I actually built in 2
- 4% plus 2 - 1% factors for the
Actually, I meant Kevin (not Trent) as having the Philidelphias.
Kevin Strong wrote:
> Well, I've got three Argyle
> "Philadelphia" kits sitting in the basement waiting to be built
royce w
Clark Lord wrote:
> Harry Wade wrote:
> > >I could not begin to guess the number of people that are into scratch
> > building
> >
>
> Are you (list member) scratch building now?
>
Yes. 1:20.3 Southern Pacific Narrow Gauge #18
>
> Are you contemplating starting?
Every day I think about worki
Harry Wade wrote:
> <>
> >I would propose that the keeper of the patterns make rubber or RTV
> >silicon molds of the patterns, cast them in wax and make permanent metal
> patterns.
The "pattern" I offered to donate is already cast in silicon bronze.
royce w
Thanks, Clark. I should have known that you would know the answer.
royce
Clark Lord wrote:
> Royce Woodbury wrote:
> >
> > I must have missed something along the way, but what are "paper wheels"?
> >
> > royce
> >
> > Clark Lord wrote:
>
I must have missed something along the way, but what are "paper wheels"?
royce
Clark Lord wrote:
>
> >
> > "Does anyone out there have info on the paper
> > wheels that were used for passenger cars?"
> >
Man, that is a GREAT website !
royce w
Jim Curry wrote:
> For the boiler building crowd I found the following link to a Japanese man's
> website. It includes photo's and a write-up on how he machined his formers,
> etc.
>
> http://ww3.tiki.ne.jp/~hwata/eW-boiler1.htm
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Jim
>
It's a full moon, boys.
royce
Keith Manison wrote:
> Charles W. Walters wrote:
> >
> > Am I the only one who got a bunch of Monday's email messages delivered again
> > today?
>
> No, I got them too. A serious case of deja vu?
>
> Cheers
>
> Keith
> --
> =
Well, Walt, that sounds like quite a resume.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The Naples, Seaboard & Gulf RR built trackage from Ft. Myers to Naples, FL in
> 1926.
>
> I've been here for only 10 years, but I'm certain the Naples Depot
> will outlast me
> Walt Swartz, Stationmaster and Mr. Lunkenhei
"Phil. Paskos" wrote:
> Harry and others;
>
> An alternate idea. Anyone who has patterns they want to make
> available could add what they have to a list. Those members of this forum
> could check the list and contact the individual about how to "Rent" the
> patterns. With e-mail today
Harry Wade wrote:
> So based upon your offer of the donation of your pattern, I propose
> that we create the Garden Gauge or Small Scale Pattern Pool. Comments?
>
> Regards,
> Harry Wade
> Nashville, Tn
>
Thanks for your response, Harry. And Salty. When I suggested donating the
patter
Mike Chaney wrote:
> Harry suggested:-
>
> > ..but my impression was that Mark Wood uses EDM just as
> > I've decribed it to begin most of his wheel patterns.
>
> Mark turns the hubs and rims in WAX and then carves the spokes by hand. He
> then makes a mould in investment plaster (is that
and a layer of 1/16" cork. On top of that, I
> layered .005 shim brass, which I folded over the edges to hide the cork.
> I've got pictures of this at:
>
> <http://home.rochester.rr.com/kevstrains/Rubypage.html>
>
Wow, Kevin. I'm impressed. What a transformation. Fantastic job of
"kitbashing" !
royce (woodbury)
Well, I'm really bummed now. Having seen the pics of steamers having so much fun
really made me wish I could have attended DH. Posting of pics in a timely fashion
will help promote the event. It is nice seeing faces attached to the listers'
names. And if I had known that Soni and his mudhen we
Michael,
Michael Martin wrote:
> Royce,
> I offer only one caution on this subject... Virtual modeling is nearly as much fun
> as the real thing.
>
I have been warned by my friend that "mark his words", I'll have my whole loco designed
in solidworks before I get much more actual work done on i
So, if the rubber stamp plan doesn't work out so well, we'll be a talkin'.
royce
VR Bass wrote:
> > I got access to a program called SolidWorks98Plus.
> > Ever heard of it. My friend made a 3D model of the wheel in about 12 minutes
> > (even with .020 high letters (3)). Wow!!
>
> Royce, this
Hi folks,
I think Susan has a wonderful idea. Bet the inexpensive chassis would sell
like hotcakes ! If I didn't have so many other things on my plate, I'd do it
myself. My SP18 project in 1:20.3, however, wouldn't stand for it. It's very
jealous of my time.
Speaking of which. I want
So, maybe the little punch marks, if "little" enough, could look like the grains of
sand in the sand mold? I was planning to beadblast the surface anyway to remove the
"machined" look.
royce
Trent Dowler wrote:
> Be careful with the jewelry store engraving. Most of it that I've seen was not
Yeah, that's how I would approach the curley's on the back side. Process is
not unlike that I used to make the driver patterns. I have been using a
modeling clay you get from Alumilite to do the filleting, etc. Works really
well. And dow corning 3110 for the molds. In fact, after having a sil
hkelsey wrote:
> Does the wheel have the curved ribs on the back surface?
>
> Harley
Yes, Harley, it does. That's the next problem. Any ideas?
I gotta say that I have received SO many ideas it's gonna take awhile to digest
them all. But at some point, my efforts (a result of standing on th
Hi Trent,
The few who know me, know the slow progress of my project. I "steal" time
to work on it as work and family take the lion's share of what time I have
available. So you might imagine how both overwhelmed and yet thankful for all
the good ideas that have come from my querie. I hope t
>
> Yes, the aforementioned John Clark of Fall River Productions does the laser cutting
> for my kits, Hartford's kits, and others.
Thanks for the lead.
> the press-on type industry has fallen on hard times. You may have to search high
> and low to find some.
Oh, this is good news. : /
Why
Hi Gordon,
Thanks for responding. I've gotten so many good suggestions from so many
that I'm afraid I won't have time to try them all. But, a question about your
process. Would you end up with the raised letters on a background? And how
would this be attached to the wheel without showing?
Now we're talking, Harley. I had considered using letter stamps and casting
letters indivudually, but thought it too difficult (and small) to get them out
and onto a pattern. But casting them in the arc and attaching to a wheel
pattern (I use Alumilite urethane resin) at the same time sounds do-
Jeese, Clark. I wasn't even planning on going and I'm excited.
Clark Lord wrote:
> Well I too have attend all but one Diamondhead meet. It has grown from
> 35 guys at the first one to around 230 steamers plus families at
> present. All the best of the best will be there. All the important
>
Vance,
Laser cutting seems like the way to go. A 1/32" endmill is wider than the width
of the lines in the letters. Now, do you have a friend who does laser cutting too? I
do think, however, that I will try the etching process with stick on lettering as a
resist. I would imagine they make
Hi Vance,
> cutting the letters from .015" ABS
> plastic, with a "tree" holding them together in the correct arc. Then you can
> glue the letters onto the surface and cut the tree off.
This might work if I can figure out how to cut the letters out. They're awfully
small. The scale is 1:20
Steve,
Thanks for responding. I suspect that Radio Shack's lawyers won't let them
sell the product in too strong a concentration, as we may damage ourselves. It
may be that just using Nitric acid is the answer, as suggested by Jerry Barnes.
royce
"Shyvers, Steve" wrote:
> Royce,
>
> I hav
Terry,
Thanks for responding. I like your first suggestion best. But
don't the stamps you would use to imprint the name need to be non
reversed? Metal/leather stamps are reversed so the after stamping, they
read correctly on the stamped material. Imprinting a female mold would
require that
Hi Vance,
THanks for responding. A couple of things. 1. the letters are only 2mm
tall, and 2. the surface isn't curved, the lettering is on an arc. The letters
actually sit on a plane bordered by the wheel tire lip on the outside and the
wheel hub on the inside. The plane is acutally flat.
Hi Susan,
Interesting suggestion. Got my grey cells in a twit. If I were to etch
the letters in brass, the etching would "splay" as it etched through the
thickness, correct? And then if I took the resulting negative template and
placed it on the wheel disk, filling the template would create
would have to find small enough letters for your wheels.
> I hope this helps Robb
>
> Royce Woodbury wrote:
> >
> > Hi Listers,
> > Have got a question that someone out there may be able to help with. The lead
> > truck wheels on the prototype of the loco I am
Hi Listers,
Have got a question that someone out there may be able to help with. The lead
truck wheels on the prototype of the loco I am scratchbuilding have raised letters cast
on the wheel face (solid). Can anyone suggest how I might get raised letters on a
pattern. For example, if I had
Hi listers,
I don't want to get technical, but aren't the fans used to "get steam up"
really suckers, not blowers? The blowers are part of the locomotive, bleeding
off steam pressure to create draught through the flues until exhaust takes over
this function. : )
royce
Bruce Gathman wrote:
So Vance,
Am I too late? I'd love the magazine.
royce
VR Bass wrote:
> Friends,
> I just sold a bunch of duplicate issues of "Live Steam" magazine on ebay, but
> I held one back to offer to this group. It's the October 1981 issue, featuring
> one of Marc Horovitz' early articles promoting
Hi listers,
I know you're out there. You just don't have time to question or
answer. I gotta tell ya, I wish it were true that I was working on my RR (or
loco, as it were). But it's just life's demands on my time and it's summer
here in paradise.
Well, if it's lack of material, I have a que
Have I been de-listed, or is it just quiet?
royce
Phil,
> I read a post not to long ago that said to throw away your file combs ,
> because they will dull your files.
I, too, saw something to that effect. But the source (unknown) also suggested
something that works very well to keep the file from getting clogged in the
first place. Take a
Hey, Charlie !
Went back in after loading car to tell you how much I enjoyed seeing you
this trip but you were gone (from lobby). Sorry we didn't have more time to
chat, but it looked like you were always surrounded with those yet to consume
your unlimited wisdom. Hope to see you next time (
Victor,
Some months ago, there was an O gauge Hudson and passenger car on ebay. I
don't think that it sold, but it was a beautiful live steam model. Don't know
how you would go about finding the owner as the ebay archives only seem to go
back a month or so. Maybe others saw the listing and k
Bill,
Hope I never encounter one !
royce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 3/25/00 7:59:27 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << What is a STENT? >>
>
> I believe I have the right word. It is the device they put inside of a vein
> or artery, and expand i
.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Jon
> - Original Message -
> From: Royce Woodbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: materials
>
> > Thanks for re
Salty,
He's just trying to see if there's anyone out here that's not very bright.
Now, it's my impression that most involved in the live steam avocation are
individuals blessed with brains and talent, if not good looks. Suckers we're
not.
royce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated
Bill,
What is a STENT?
royce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Last year at NAMES, they showed a piece of SS hypodermic needle that had been
> modified with an EDM, very intricate and precise cuts, and was now a STENT, Had
> to use a magnifying glass to see the cuts. This thing was cut in such a
t is. The cutting is done by
> eroding the part's material away at a VERY controlled rate and position. It still
> amazes me every time I run ours.
>
> Later,
> Trent
>
> Royce Woodbury wrote:
>
> > Salty,
> >The only CNC machining of steel, for example, was done by a EDM machine. I am
> > told they will hold a tolerance of .010, or maybe better. How does this relate
> > to laser or oxy/acetylene accuracy?
> >
> > royce
>
Bob,
Any idea as to relative cost/tolerance of water jet vs laser or EDM?
royce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 3/23/2000 3:21:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Water jet
> > or laser are much preferable for most of the work we'd want to use
> > i
Thanks for responding, Bob.
I was beginning to think my questions weren't being posted. So is phosphor
bronze the same as SAE 660 bearing bronze. I ask because 660 is easy to get
anywhere, and if I ask for phosphor bronze, I know someone will ask me what
composition I want. And then there's
"Jonathan E. Bloom" wrote:
> FYI
>
> A modern wire EDM will hold tolerance to a couple tenths (of a thou.). They
> are remarkable.
> Jon
Thanks, Jon, for the info. Now I want one.
royce
Steamers,
I'm really trying to get some topics related to live steaming going.
Here's my next question : would SAE
660 bearing bronze (continuous hollow cast) be a good material for
cylinders? And, relatedly, what two
materials are best for the slide valve and cylinder port surface? (my
cylinder
Salty,
The only CNC machining of steel, for example, was done by a EDM machine. I am
told they will hold a tolerance of .010, or maybe better. How does this relate
to laser or oxy/acetylene accuracy?
royce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Several years ago I was working in
> our parts manufac
Joe,
Pretty impressive resume. However, this Fisher guy is way too busy. Maybe you
should introduce him to your Lady Anne. : )
And about that Aster manual you sleep with . . . and you still got your wife to file
burrs? You are blessed.
Hope to meet you at a steamup someday. PA is sooo
Geoff Spenceley wrote:
> I only know one good one, Curt Hoffman--a steamer like us.
>
> Cantankerous Uncle geoff.
>
Well, maybe we should get to know Joe. He's a steamer! I haven't even steamed
yet. Watching at steamups is as close as I've gotten. But once that steam goes up
your nose, yo
Well, Joe, first let me apologize for the "oxymoron" comment. Asking if anyone knows
any good ones does not denigrate the profession. Please forgive me. I'm full of
respect. Actually, having read of your progress below, I'm wondering how it is you
let your wife fondle your Mikado tender par
Salty,
A bit steep for my pocket book too. I was inquiring not to own, but to see if
I could have work done from CAD files at a resonable cost from a fellow steamer.
Right now, I'm milling eveything by hand (verticle mill, no dro's). It's slow,
but prolonging the pleasure never seemed a bad i
Well, Salty,
Since I am both departments, I trust that I'm not yet so old that there is any
communication problems between depts. However, not being confident that I have
covered every angle on paper, chaos may yet rear its ugly head.
royce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It seemed that the
Vance,
> He is a live steamer, but he's not on the list. He owns Fall River
> Productions, a laser-cutting company
Does his machine only cut wood, or could it be used like an EDM for
metal?
royce
Dear Mr Fox,
I must say you've mastered depth of field problems. Your photos of Ruby
are fantastic! Thanks for sharing.
royce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> http://www.coyotes.org/~trotfox/pix/Steam/steam.html
>
>
VR Bass wrote:
> The Colorado Eastern, however, took lots of pictures of their second-
> hand engine (they didn't have much to do, it seems, with revenues
> of $98 per year and expenses of $6700).
>
I guess film was mighty expensive in those days.
>
> John Clark cut one for me yesterday and i
Geoff Spenceley wrote:
> for a cashiers check of $100 I will instruct you how to make it Y2K
> compliant!
Geoff,
At the rate I'm going, my loco won't be born till the next millenium, so I'm
going to have to pass on your Y2K insurance. But I can see you've learned alot
about how to shake d
Hi folks,
For some reason I have been able to find some time to work on my 1:20 SP#18
in spite of it being tax time and a whole slew of other obligations. I am
working on the smokebox saddle. Since I am engineering/designing as I go,
when working on any part of this project, I have to conside
So Geoff, the cantankerous one,
Are you going to take credit for starting this Y2K business all over again?
;)
royce
Geoff Spenceley wrote:
> I remember uses for white gas as Walt does-especially as I am old enought
> to be his uncle. In
> fact I still have some white gas for my Coleman st
Hey,
How'd they get the flat bottoms on the wheels?
royce
> In a message dated 3/7/00 9:27:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Your not stupid, but here is a pic of one
> http://www.lantic.co.za/~jmiles/images/2166.jpg
>
>
Clark & Bob
That green loop of track may have belonged to J & J Weiland (sp) of J&J Trains.
I also think that I remember them saying that it was going to be junked (or at
least the tables). I could be wrong about this.
royce
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Clark,
> I have no idea who owns that tra
Bob,
It is the tread diameter. However, the tires are routinely turned down to
true them up and get smaller every time. You may have observed a 44" diameter
driver having been turned down so the flange diameter is now 44". Diameters
can vary by as much as 4". I was chagrinned to find this o
Lee,
I'm sure this won't be an answer worthy of a round of shots but . . .
13 PSI on a .6" dia bore cylinder yields about 8 1/2 lbs main rod force.
200 PSA on a 20" dia bore cylinder yields about 63,000 lbs main rod force.
The square inches are bigger. Now if you want to see your
David,
I apologize for taking so long to introduce myself. My
name in Royce Woodbury. I live in paradise (that's Santa Barbara,
CA). I am 52, married with one grown and one 16 year old daughter,
a wife, a dog (not in that order), a business (architectural millwork)
and a compulsi
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