Hi Geoff,
In view of the 300 mile trip. And I think these Railroads my be closed
already for the winter season. However, next summer, you could make a
vacation out of visiting these working Shays, or at the Bay Area live
Steamup at Sacremento in July 2003. And you are welcome to use my place
Thanks ,Tony,
However the running of the F.S may interfere with viewing the shays! The
Bay Area Steamup seems to be a good time--is it going to be in Sacramento??
Geoff
Hi Geoff,
In view of the 300 mile trip. And I think these Railroads my be closed
already for the winter season. However,
Point of curiosity in this distinctly curious thread If David likes
antipodes - what is the oposite or converse of an Antipode - a Pode?
Jim Gregg in Western Oz, or alternately Western Podes.
If I'm there it cannot be an antipode for me can it?
At 05:55 PM 12/9/02 -0800, you wrote:
At 4:55
Jim wrote:-
Point of curiosity in this distinctly curious thread If David likes
antipodes - what is the oposite or converse of an Antipode - a Pode?
To those who live down under, surely the Old Country represents the
antipodes?
Mike (whose great great uncle nearly became a POM, but was
You guys are putting the a-ccent on the wrong syll-able!
Tony lad,
Yes, but in Northern northern northern Ca, we are about 300 miles north of
any of those spots. We have no geared locos that operate except at Fort
Humboldt. I did drive a heisler in a restricted Simpson yard. --about
100ft as that was the only available track--there were no brakes.
John,
Thanks for the info on your railroad (railway)! it would work here in the
woods very well! They all love shays up here too--
Geoff.
At last an intertesting comment. Oh yes the fishing is excellent. Large
ones, small ones and some..
Starting to sound like a song from many
Shays are my favorite as well. I am so excited about the arrival of my Aster
Alisan Shay. I have wanted one for fifteen years at least. Has anyone put
R/C in an Alisan Shay?
Gary - wet and cold after cutting a Grand Fir in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
Hello Gary, did you win the auction for the one on E Bay a couple of weeks
back? It looked like it was in excellent shape. Keep us posted on how it
turns out. Steve S.
At 03:14 PM 12/10/02 -0800, you wrote:
Shays are my favorite as well. I am so excited about the arrival of my Aster
Alisan
: Steam oil
On 8/12/02 22:34, John Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many thanks for all of the replies that I received re the steam oil
question.
I live in God's Country Australia. On the east coast about 80 miles
south
of Sydney in a town called Dapto, whis is about 7 miles (12Km) south
On 9/12/02 8:07, John Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Tag, please don't refer to Australia as Oz. This crude reference was
used/made up by some uneducated Melbournians in the 1970's and as far as I'm
concerned the letters OZ are the radio Call letters or aircraft prefix for
Denmark.
John,
Check the archives for an August 21, 2002, post from Jim Crabb that
included a discourse from Chris at Roundhouse regarding Roundhouse steam
oil, which was described as a 220 weight. I had been using only Roundhouse
steam oil in my Roundhouse/Brandbright locomotive and, after reading
On 9/12/02 16:31, Robert M. Blackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John,
Check the archives for an August 21, 2002, post from Jim Crabb that
included a discourse from Chris at Roundhouse regarding Roundhouse steam
oil, which was described as a 220 weight. I had been using only Roundhouse
steam
At 07:07 PM 12/9/02 +1100, you wrote:
please don't refer to Australia as Oz.
John,
I have belonged to the www Model Engineering List for about ten years
which is populated by a number of Australians, all of whom regularly and
invariably refer to their location as Oz, I think more as an
,
Chuck
Charles W. Walters
Twin Lakes Railway CEO
http://home.twcny.rr.com/twinlakesrw
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Harry Wade
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:11 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Re: Steam oil
At 07:07 PM
I have belonged to the www Model Engineering List for about ten
years
which is populated by a number of Australians, all of whom regularly
and
invariably refer to their location as Oz, I think more as an expedient
acronym as anything else, and none of them have ever mentioned that it
I learned the term OZ from my Australian friends.
Geoff.
At 07:07 PM 12/9/02 +1100, you wrote:
please don't refer to Australia as Oz.
John,
I have belonged to the www Model Engineering List for about ten years
which is populated by a number of Australians, all of whom regularly and
John,
Seems you opened a can of worms! Is there good fishing around your
region,--we could go fishing together. There is a good finish to
everything!--Let this be the finish--right Dave??
I love the name of your RR. We have an Elk river up here in the N.W
California forests--and everyone cheats
At 4:55 PM -0800 12/9/02, Geoff Spenceley wrote:
Let this be the finish--right Dave??
right. allow me to say: on this list, only people from australia can
call it oz. all others must use the term antipodes (which i've
always loved).
My local steam friends run all NG stuff--including shays
Dave wrote:
but doesn't the northern counties logging interpretive association
have an engine that is run at fort humboldt? i can't find a specific
reference to a specific engine, but it appears that in may through
september, the group had something it called steam-ups where train
rides will be
Hi Geoffrey,
Is there a problem finding 1;1 working Shays and other
narrow gauge/gage logging engines in mid California?.
I know of at least three working operational narrow gauge Shays, within
easy travelling distance of the Bay Area. All of which run to daily
summer schedules. (Not
Gary - chilling in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthorNever heard this term...OK!
Let us in on what it means and what led to Australia being nicked
antipodes. I can not imagine!
: on this list, only people from australia can
call it
Please enlighten me. What is Fn3?
Phil
At last an intertesting comment. Oh yes the fishing is excellent. Large
ones, small ones and some..
Starting to sound like a song from many years ago.
OK Elk River Cheat Mountain RR. It started in HO as the first brass
loco I
bought was
Hi All, I wonder what steam oil is being used in Gauge #1 and Gauge #0 loco's.
I've been using some #460 steam oil that I acquired but it is just about
finished. I have access to #600 steam oil but I think that that might be a
little too heavey for my Roundhouse SRRL #24 loco. Comments please
The 380 to 460 steam oil is fine for all hobby scales. Gauge 1 to 1 1/2 .
Like all oils when it gets colder the oil gets stiffer.
Phil
Subject: Steam oil
Hi All, I wonder what steam oil is being used in Gauge #1 and Gauge #0
loco's.
I've been using some #460 steam oil that I acquired
Hi,
The proximity of the steam oil reservoir to the boiler, and the general heat
of the locomotive should make 600 acceptable from a temperature standpoint.
I've been using it for over 12 years and have had no problems. Be sure the
oil contains lard or animal tallow. Usually 5% on most good
Hi John
If you are in Canada petro can sells a 460 steam oil that has all the
properties required. Last year when a survey was done in the group
with what the best steam oil would be -I forwarded the requirements to
my
local dealer and he was able to produce a direct match. Cost me
40.00cnd
At 11:15 PM 12/8/02 +1100, you wrote:
Hi All,
I've been using some #460 steam oil that I acquired but it is just about
finished. I have access to #600 steam oil but I think that that might be a
little too heavey for my Roundhouse SRRL #24 loco. Comments please.
John,
Stay with the 460
All,
I've been using some #460 steam oil that I acquired but it is just about
finished. I have access to #600 steam oil but I think that that might be a
little too heavey for my Roundhouse SRRL #24 loco. Comments please.
John,
Stay with the 460.
Regards,
Harry Wade
Nashville, Tn
Many thanks for all of the replies that I received re the steam oil question.
I live in God's Country Australia. On the east coast about 80 miles south
of Sydney in a town called Dapto, whis is about 7 miles (12Km) south of
Wollongong.
At the moment I'm hanging out for the delivery
On 8/12/02 22:34, John Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many thanks for all of the replies that I received re the steam oil question.
I live in God's Country Australia. On the east coast about 80 miles south
of Sydney in a town called Dapto, whis is about 7 miles (12Km) south of
Wollongong
Steam Oil from Roundhouse -- 500 cc $10 plus shipping
Jim Crabb
Texas Roundhouse
281-474-9579
Since this subject appears frequently I thought I would get some
manufacture's input. This obviously applies to Roundhouse engines and others
can interpret for themselves.
Jim Crabb
Seabrook, Texas
Here is some info on steam oil that should help
At 12:35 PM 12/19/01 -0800, you wrote:
Cox was bought a few years ago by another company, but is still in business
and still producing their engines and various other products.
Thanks for this information Steve. Worth looking into, expecially if the
remote valves are such that they could be
: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:58 AM
Subject: Accucraft C-16 excessive steam oil usage
Howdy all. A short background. Here at the house we have now had three
different Accucraft C-16's operated. The first was from Seattle during
my annual steamup. Much to my and the owners surprise
Make sure those boys go last on the weight pulling contest!
Jim
At 09:58 AM 12/18/01 -0800, you wrote:
Howdy all.
. . . . . . . The bad news is the engine is still using excessive steam oil.
Must be that pumpin' action we've heard so much about. :-)
hw
I'm sure I'm oversimplifying the problem. But I'd look for a way to put a
restricter plug or tube in line to slow down the oil distribution.
Respectfully;
Phil.P.
(much snipped)
Now to figure out what to do about the excessive oil usage.
Also be warned that any C-16 that intends to run on
At 12:15 PM 12/18/01 -0800, you wrote:
Harry et al,
Hah! I knew that would lure the critter out of his hiding place!
I agree with Geoff on the lubricator valve business. I've often wondered
if there was some product already available that could be adapted to make
this building job
/c16spreaderbar.jpg
Clark
Jeffrey Williams wrote:
Sorry to contradict the prevailing howl about C-16 oil consumption, but I
haven't seen the same degree of crisis with my C-16. My unit is production
#83 of the # 278 style. Although steam oil does eventually accumulate on
the pilot truck pivot
Hi
It has been a while since I flew control line model airplanes. but you used to
be able to but the needle valve assembly for .10 sized engines and larger as a
separate part, aside from the engine. Had something to do with people like me
who crashed a lot and broke them. Check hobby shops that
Jeffrey Williams wrote:
Sorry to contradict the prevailing howl about C-16 oil consumption, but I
haven't seen the same degree of crisis with my C-16. My unit is production
#83 of the # 278 style. Although steam oil does eventually accumulate on
the pilot truck pivot and drip
We agree with the beautiful thing concept.
http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/dscn0036.jpg
Steaming on the LVGRS modules this afternoon.
CBL
Jeffrey Williams wrote:
It's true, Accucraft ain't perfect but if you check out the photo Mike Martin
took of my C-16 recently at:
Ran out of steam oil so I went to the local shop which is San Val, and
bought some steam oil which I was told was obtained from Accucraft. The
young guy behind the counter told me I can mix my own using 30 weight and
Marvel Mystery oil. OK I have been into this long enough to know
At 01:25 PM 11/29/01 -0800, you wrote:
But when I opened the container I had just bought, it was black as coal
and had a strong odor.
Steve,
If it has an acrid, almost sour smell you may have been given hypoid
gear oil. Often this looks black or greenish-black like steam oil but it
smells
I am interested in this thread too. I have seen that there are as many
different types of steam oil as there are locomotives. One bottle I have
from St. Aubin Station is really low viscosity and sort of a light caramel
color and makes incredible smoke clouds out of the stack on my engine
Pullleeze...go to
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/notes/steam%20oil.htm to learn about
steam oil. By the way my attempts to obtain ISO 220 steam oil here in the
states has come to naught since none of the stocking dealers I have
contacted handle the stuff, and I don't want to purchase
Those of the list,
Stretch at COC has selling steam oil here on the West coast for a year or
two. I beleave he gets it in 1 gallon containers. Might be worth a call to
see if he will decant a quart or such for you which should lasy a long time.
I know Mc Master Carr ( you need a com. account
I would like to thank every one for their response to my question about
Koi Pond and Steam oil .
I will be finishing up my first stage of track around two ponds this
week ( with no detour ) thanks every body .
Paul Gamlin
of this ballasted deck girder bridge
and pond.
Gary of Eugene, OR
- Original Message -
From: Peter Jobusch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: steam oil vs koi ponds
Our East Serendipity Railway crosses
I am in the stages of completing my garden (steam ) layout .
We have two koi ponds that will be circled by tracks that live steam
engines will travel my question is , if anyone else has the same
situation and if so have you noticed any problems from steam oil
contamination of the pond
My steamer runs right by my pond, but I am the only steamer for hundreds of
miles, so only one ever goes by. I can't see it being a problem.
Jerry
Does your pond catch run-off? Mine does not catch any runoff due to a rock
hidden lip around it. Do you have any bridges that traverse the water area?
If the answer is no to both questions I would not worry at all.
At 12:32 PM 5/16/01 -0700, you wrote:
my question is have you noticed any problems from steam oil
contamination of the pond and if it was a problem for the fish .
Paul
They'll get no sympathy here. A good dose of steam oil is paltry
repayment, considering how much cod liver oil I had to take
If you don't have run-off into the pond and there is no bridge going over
the water there is no way for the oil to contaminate the pond. Even if it
did get in there, I don't know how much steam oil it would take to do any
damage. I guess it depends on how much water you have, and how big
will travel my question is , if anyone else has the same
situation and if so have you noticed any problems from steam oil
contamination of the pond and if it was a problem for the fish .
My Steam up Start up area will be away from the ponds .
Paul Gamlin
of completing my garden (steam )
layout .
We have two koi ponds that will be circled by tracks
that live steam
engines will travel my question is , if anyone else
has the same
situation and if so have you noticed any problems
from steam oil
contamination of the pond and if it was a problem
I personally would love to see photos of this ballasted deck girder bridge
and pond.
Gary of Eugene, OR
- Original Message -
From: Peter Jobusch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: steam oil vs koi
Hi everyone.
Sorry for my absence on the list - my Ruby project is on temporary hold
due to sleep depravation while our little girl figures out the difference between
day and night. In the meantime thanks to the postings re : steam oil - I contacted
Petro Canada and emailed them the specs
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/page/notes/notes-steam%20oil.htm
It looks like you have to access this page by starting at
www.southernsteamtrains.com and working your way down through the
Reference page. I got an access error when I cut and pasted the above URL.
-vance-
Another day
In a message dated 04/23/01 5:21:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/page/notes/notes-steam%20oil.htm
I got an access error when I cut and pasted the above URL.
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/notes/steam%20oil.htm
Try this one
vance:
to protect my honor, i've got to say that the page was moved ...
nonetheless, if you go to the actual page, you miss the latest
addition (this one on lubricating oil). so please use this url and
scroll down a bit to see the headings of kevin's articles:
all hands:
kevin o'connor has posted an interesting treatise on steam oil and
its selection. you can view it at:
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/page/notes/notes-steam%20oil.htm
\dmc
--
^^^
Dave Cole
Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton
Walt-is it possible that Mr. Lunkenheimer may have left your much looked for
soft stool alongside the tracks? You may locate it by the simple expedient
of wearing waffle sole shoes your next time out.Cheers, Eric
they really are not going to deliver the soft stool they promised
Hi,
The SWAMP RR ran the Hudson today after many moons of lay-up for repairs and
replacements. I can now report we are about 95% completed. However, the "New
York Central" on the tender will remain.
I decided to try the mineral oil to see how it would do for steam oil. First
Jim,
I'll use single malt Scotch, after the second one I won't be able to see it
-- easier on the nerves.
Keep your steam up!
Walt
Tony D. wrote:
I respect Mike Chaney,s opinion and expertise, but I
am
not convinced that "thicker is necessarily better".
Did I say that?
Thank you for the compliment, Tony, but I have to make it clear that I'm not
a trained tribologist. My understanding,
Peter Foley wrote:-
Steam oil comes in a variety of weights, just like motor oil. The lighter
stuff is best in small, light weight engines.
True - but one also need to take account of the amount of superheat. Small
locos, either saturated or with a "steam drier", are probably
Thanks Mike and Peter ,
Foley wrote:-
Steam oil comes in a variety of weights, just like motor oil. The lighter
stuff is best in small, light weight engines.
True - but one also need to take account of the amount of superheat. Small
locos, either saturated or with a "steam
Hi. I was re-reading the January 1998 Finescale Railroader when I
happened upon a mention of "Live Steam Hickory Smoke from Emmaus,
Pennsylvania. Has anyone heard of this? What is it, and where might
one find it?
Thanks for your help.
Mike Helphinstine
HI,
Steam oil was still not being used on my Mike. I took the front end apart
-i.e.,
removed the smokebox, steps, walkways, handrails, and a few other things --
including the cab -- in order to find out what the problem was with the
steam oil use. I removed the oil tank and the piping
Hey Walt,
Referring to a Huricane, storms, heavy rains, and tornados as "tropical
thingies"? You're too tough for me.
Later,
Trent
Because of the rains we have had from recent tropical
thingies, steamup was delayed to 7:55 AM to give the mosquitos a chance to
hide.
Gang:
Over on the www.steamup.com mesage board I found this yesterday:
i need steam oil fast for my ruby please e-mail me back
I sent him the sulphur springs aol address, but assuming he wanted to run
his Ruby *right now* (can't imagine that -- mine sat in the box seven,
maybe eight hours
Hi,
After numerous runs with no evidence of steam oil consumption, today there
finally was a some progress made. Before the first run, I steamed up on
blocks with the oiler empty and the cap open, Johnson bar was in neutral.
When pressure got up to 2.5 on the gauge, I opened the throttle
of the day with good results. That
little Shay does pull. But keep an eye on the water glass on this one. It's
a small boiler .
Great day at PLS.
Phil.P. Reading,Pa.
Hi,
After numerous runs with no evidence of steam oil consumption, today there
finally was a some progress made. Before the first
Just an FYI...
I have run my Ruby on LGB 1100 curves. I bought a small circle to erect
in the garage 'till I get the backyard servicable. :)
Trot, the Steamin', fox... ;]
On Sun, 14 May 2000, someone who wasn't Vance wrote:
Curious- What is your minimum track radius on your layout. I
Curious- What is your minimum track radius on your layout. I assume the
Ruby has no problem. Do you have long coaches etc.
I forget what conversation this if following up on. (It's not about
steam oil, that much I can tell!)
I have one curve with 7 foot radius; otherwise, it's all 10 ft
Vance,
Curious- What is your minimum track radius on your layout. I assume the
Ruby has no problem. Do you have long coaches etc.
Harley
) quarts, at my front door for
a 5 gal. can of Mobil steam oil. I think they're out of business, but I
don't think they'd have delivered to Florida. Their quoted price for 55
gal. was about the same as two 5 gal. cans.
--
Bill Kaiser
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are three ways to do a job: good, cheap
If anyone on the list is interested, here's the reply that I received from John
Foskett at Jensen concerning steam oil. Sounds as though you had better be very
specific about needing steam oil if you order from them.
Obviously, his reference to most small steam engines not using cylinder
There has been a lot of discussion lately about steam oil. I was curious as
to where everyone gets there oil. I have gone through the few small bottles
that I had that came with some locos. I still have a bit of the Brandbright
lighter weight oil that came with a Jane.
Currently I use
Cole's Power Model catalogue has a mechanical lubricator such as Keith talks
about. It's driven off the crosshead by a short connecting rod. I've seen
them on 2.5" gauge engines and they're not very attractive. On the bigger
engines they can by hidden/disguised.
Jim
In a message dated 4/28/2000 8:07:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've seen
them on 2.5" gauge engines and they're not very attractive. On the bigger
engines they can by hidden/disguised.
Jim and List;
Not only are the commercial lubricators large and ungainly in
At 11:10 AM 04/27/2000 -0600, you wrote:
Yes, mine has a noticeable leak around the right-side rod. I talked
to Accucraft about two weeks ago, and they said they'd send me a
new rod and cylinder cover, but I don't have it yet so can't report on
whether it helped.
Ah. They told me it was
Not really boring, but I am curious as to wheather you could fill me in on
how the lube pumps work. For the sake of playing, could they be adapted to
our small stuff? =)
Did the larger items use ringed pistons as IC engines do, or were they
rubber/viton sealed also? If the former, this may be
In a message dated 4/27/2000 7:01:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am curious as to wheather you could fill me in on
how the lube pumps work. For the sake of playing, could they be adapted to
our small stuff? =)
Just an oscillating cylinder within a tank that
Interesting Kt, Thanks.
I run 3-1/2 gauge locos as well as the 45mm ones, and I have always used
the same steam oil--either O.S Engines or the prototype steam oil I was
given (I'll use anything that's given!) The two brands appear to be about
the same but an analysis might prove different
In a message dated 4/27/2000 7:44:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
BUT- I bet you all the tea in China that
Morewoods pistons have graphite packing for rings!
It sure does!
Wanted to add this to my mesage a few minutes ago.
I don't know if it has any bearing on anything much, but with the Brandbright
(thinner?) oil I seem to actually use more steam oil from the lubricator on my
Ruby than I do from my Jane. I don't suck out clear water from Ruby's lubricator
I want some oil. I want oil that's lower viscosity than the black-brown
stuff SSSM sells. Anyone know where to get it?
I recently got to try some in my Ruby and it made all the difference in
the world when trying to start the engine.
Anyone?
Help? ;)
Trot, the curious, fox...
While looking for a steam oil supplier, I contacted Mobil, Texaco, Enron, and
my former employer, Chevron. I was unable to contact "knowledgeable" people
at Texaco and Enron, but both Chevron and Mobil had someone that knew about
steam oils. Both gentlemen were interested in my use
In a message dated 4/26/2000 11:11:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I also got a piece of
scotchbrite and put that on top of the lard in the Tupperware container. I
use it on the table and ways of my milling machine, on the 1917 Seneca
Falls
Lathe, the band
I use a syringe with the needle end cut off square. You can easily find syringes for
sale at any veterinary supply, especially if they cater to the large animals like
cattle and horses. I use the huge size for injecting water into Goodall valves or
otherwise filling tanks. Steam oil needs
a very sweet fragrance as does real
steam oil, at least to these
nostrils. The real issue here is weather it works in steam locos. I have searched
through 5 years of back
issues of the G1MRA with no luck so far, 5 more to go.
GaryB
I do not believe a displacement lubricator would be very good if only air was
being used -- no condensed steam to keep the oil level up.
Keep your steam up!
Walt, Lunk's out fertilizing the lawn
A while back there was an article in (I think) Modeltec about using pure
castor oil in place of steam oil. Anyone remeber the article? Anyone ever
used the stuff? (for steam engines, I mean)
Casey Sterbenz
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