Hi,
when my A-Climax was fired with alcohol, I used steel wool as wick
material. I bought it from the HomeDepot. (www.homaxproducts.com). As the
# Super fine variety was not available, I tried #000. These wicks are
pretty efficient. My Climax pushed 3 sets of (empty) LGB disconnects up a
14
At 06:01 PM 6/11/04 +0100, you wrote:
Who is Dicky Boast? What shop? I've never had any dealings with him,
[snip] - Mike
I've tried. I've ordered materials, large'ish quantities of tube
specifically, and asked for pricing on quantities of boilers, both
ready-made and materials kits, for
Harry,
Well, I must say that I had to remind Dicky (just once) about the wicks but
I did get them with an apology. But you know me , my reminding was done
with some distorted humour! Of course, a few wicks are easier to provide
than the items you needed
I have a suspicion he is just doing too
Geoff,
Who is Dicky Boast? What shop?
My experiment with packing standard wick lengths between the rolled layers
of stainless steel fine grid screen is work well so far. I am interested in
trying the carbon fiber wicks and do not know where to order.
Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle
Gary asked:-
Who is Dicky Boast? What shop?
www.justtheticket.tv
I've never had any dealings with him, but he comes highly recommended.
Mike
Gary,
Dicky Boast?--here he is:
Just The Ticket
PO Box 1237
Durrington
Wilts
SP4 8YB.
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web:
www.justtheticket.tv
Gary, like you, I have tried every type of wick-except ceramic ones made
from bricks, I have used asbestos, fiber glass, ceramic wicks, SS mesh and
SS mesh rolled
I ran my Aster Alisan live steamer with my new design wicks. I have one all
stainless steel screen wick and the other two have stainless steel screen
with standard wick strands in a single layer between each roll of screen.
They both worked well. The wick strands between stainless screen layers
:21 -0700
| From: Vickie-Marie Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of Vickie-Marie Ward)
| Subject: Re: Computers Wicks
|
| Thanks for the kind words. I really like your son's idea, Gary. We
| are planning to reconfigure and/or replace the hard drive on my old
| CPU eventually. Gaobot went right past
Thanks for the kind words. I really like your son's idea, Gary. We
are planning to reconfigure and/or replace the hard drive on my old
CPU eventually. Gaobot went right past my Norton and I had the full
bells and whistles program. Well, I like my new Pentium 4 better
than the Celeron,
Sir Geoff,
Actually I do not use a fan initially when firing the boiler. The
natural convection through the vertical flue is sufficient to raise
steam, although a fan would no doubt speed up the process.
I did find that I needed to shorten the stack above the boiler, however,
to get
a sump that connects to the burners in a tee
arrangement. Out of the boiler firebox and on the benchtop the wicks
burn evenly and steadily. There is no evidence of the sump running dry
or other form of fuel starvation to the wicks.
When the burner is mounted in the boiler firebox the flames
of the boiler firebox and on the benchtop the wicks
burn evenly and steadily. There is no evidence of the sump running dry
or other form of fuel starvation to the wicks.
When the burner is mounted in the boiler firebox the flames are still
strong and steady for about five minutes. Then the flames
The screw is doing exactly the same thing as the ceramic and stainless steel
mesh type wicks. The steel is heating the wick and accelerating the
vaporization of the meths.
The vaporizing burner you guys are talking about sounds just like the
burners used in the Saito marine engines which I have
sun baked for a day or two you can even use some in the firebox in
place of expensive meths or butane.
Casey, who slings it all the time.
From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 17
Any English to English translation sites?
Steve
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Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:46 PM
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Hi Geoff,
To clarify. as I recall, three half crowns = 7
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:38:38 -0700
Casey,
Will do! I love to hear from men of experience and I never had such a
brilliant idea. I will be out in the streets tomorrow
hey!
Siven un a tanner is bei nah 'alf a quid!.
You must have had money to burn,
Bert
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Bert Edmunda
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Old Uncle Geoff wrote:-
You want to borrow a couple of bob--or a florin, or a quid, or a guinea??
No Apologies to anyone,
When we were young, a half crown was known as half a dollar - remember?
Mike
p.s. What's this got to do with wicks? (:)
Bert,
'O said siven an a tanner is 'alf a quid?
Yes chum, money to burn on Guy Fawkes day!
Mike--half crown was known as half a dollar you write. Later in my
life--when I was a young lad the dollar hadn't been invented!. Good comment
about what all this has to do for wicks. Well when I broach
.
As a teenager, I increased both the power output and consistency of a
Bowman steam launch by screwing a fairly fat countersunk wood screw
down into the centre of each of the wicks, until the beginning of the
countersink head was touching the top of the wick. This lit normally,
but as the screw
: wicks
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:38:38 -0700
Casey,
Will do! I love to hear from men of experience and I never had such a
brilliant idea. I will be out in the streets tomorrow with a cart and
shovel. Steam driven cart of course. Is that how you collect it.
Geoff.
Try a refrectory coating of horse
been sun baked for a day or two you can even use some in the firebox in
place of expensive meths or butane.
Casey, who slings it all the time.
From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: wicks
Date: Sat
I hear tell that the upcoming Aster Berkshire will have an alcohol
vaporizing burner.
Does anyone know for sure what this will look like ?
Peter.
Jim,
Thank you for confirming the operation of the alcohol vaporizing system.
The model boat people must have lost a few boats to fire with these
things, but they were operating on water. Hugh Boutell must have been a
brave man to run his loco on his indoor train layout.
Steve
[EMAIL
Hey youall out there, I wanna medal for starting up activity on
sslivesteam. I started with lubricators but folks are tired of all my
tirades on that but the wicks started all the info and ideas on
vaporizing burners.
I believe that wicks are vaporizing burners to a degree as the vapor rises
At 11:09 AM 4/17/04 -0700, you wrote:
How wrong am I ???
Geoff.
Geoff,
On this count I agree. I was taught that all flame was oxidizing
vapor, but on the vaporizing burner business I think you'll all find that's
a very, very old idea. Long forgotten (almost) or at least superceded, so
it
: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I believe that wicks are vaporizing burners to a degree as the vapor rises
off the wicks and burns.
Right on Geoff.
I noticed this in a very marked way with my 'Victoria' tram - a simple
natural draught, vertical, meths fired boiler. Ran superbly on meths
started with lubricators but folks are tired of all my
tirades on that but the wicks started all the info and ideas on
vaporizing burners.
I believe that wicks are vaporizing burners to a degree as the vapor rises
off the wicks and burns. I note that my fibre glass wicks show little
fusing
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Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: wicks
Hey youall out there, I wanna medal for starting up activity on
sslivesteam. I started with lubricators but folks are tired of all my
tirades on that but the wicks started all the info and ideas
Hi All.
As a teenager, I increased both the power output and consistency of a
Bowman steam launch by screwing a fairly fat countersunk wood screw down
into the centre of each of the wicks, until the beginning of the
countersink head was touching the top of the wick. This lit normally
A question pour vous. Does anyone know of a good source of carbon fibre
wicks for meths firing. I did try and go to one Brit website but it
wouldn't work. This info is for a local friend--I use fibre glass very
successfully but I wouldn't mind trying the carbon, as users rave about
it.
Geoff.
recipients of sslivesteam
Subject:wicks
A question pour vous. Does anyone know of a good source of carbon fibre
wicks for meths firing. I did try and go to one Brit website but it
wouldn't work. This info is for a local friend--I use fibre glass very
successfully but I wouldn't mind
Spenceley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:00 PM
To:Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: wicks
A question pour vous. Does anyone know of a good source of carbon fibre
wicks for meths firing. I did try and go to one Brit website but it
wouldn't work. This info
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Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: wicks
Thanks Steve.
I read about carbon fiber in the G1MRA journal. I have used ceramic with
ss mesh, in fact I believe I have it in one of my locos. I just want to
try the carbon and see if it lives up to what
16, 2004 2:43 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject:RE: wicks
Thanks Steve.
I read about carbon fiber in the G1MRA journal. I have used ceramic with
ss mesh, in fact I believe I have it in one of my locos. I just want to
try the carbon and see if it lives up to what I
Geoff, another suggestion from Bob Gamble on the G1MRA List. No personal
experience I'm afraid, 'tho I bought out the stock of my local hi-fi shop -
I have used copper wicks for about 6 years and have found them very
reliable, seeming to withstand wind and occasional loss of pressure.
My present
to: http://www.justtheticket.tv/
I too would like to try this material, let us know how it fares.
Kindest Regards,
PeteH
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From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: wicks
So has anyone played around with vaporizing burners in our size? I read a
nice article about building them for 2.5 gauge and the construction methods
looked scalable but not having an alchy-burner yet I haven't experimented
any.
Has anyone?
Trot, the curious, fox...
| /\_/\ TrotFox
Thanks Sir Art,
Now copper wicks from hi-fi, ( I'll see if my wind up gramophone has any in
it), that model aircraft stuff from Steve and carbon fibre I'll try
one of each material in the three holders. At least the thing should fly
and sing. At that rate who cares if it doesn't boil water
Geoff, Goose featheres? That's it.
Arthur--Mexico City
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From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: wicks
Pete,
I think that is the site I tried but I'll
Don Arthur,
I knew you would agree! One gets to eat the goose too!
Geoff,
Goose featheres? That's it.
Arthur--Mexico City
Trot, --Your thoughts on the vaporizing burners sounds great--I wonder
about the flames being blown out with the draft--would have to be pretty
sophisticated I would
, April 16, 2004 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: wicks
So has anyone played around with vaporizing burners in our size? I read a
nice article about building them for 2.5 gauge and the construction
methods
looked scalable but not having an alchy-burner yet I haven't experimented
any.
Has anyone?
Trot
The design I saw had drilled holes for airflow and was to be fitted snugly
in the bottom of the firebox. Each air hole had a concentric fuel hole and
the whole assembly was a thin box that got flooded with fuel at the start of
the run.
It's kinda hard to explain... I'll see if I can find the
The stem of the goose feather is hollow isn't it?
I wonder if capillary tubes would work?
Regards,
PeteH
Pete,
I have tried everything except goose feathers!
Geoff
Trot .
These were /are used , in inumerable variants from way back ie at least
the early 1900s. The Aster BR86 uses an alcohol fueled one, a soft flame
one, based on a turn of the century Basset Lowke design.The one I have
in a B/L loco of 1905 is essentially identical. These are
I don't know about goose feathers, Horse hair should have a similar
effect, ie instant removal of the rivet counters. I now a guy who threw
a couple of shovels of incense into thefire of his coal fired 7 1/4 gauge
loco. - cleared the station.
Jim Gregg.
At 06:23 PM 4/16/04 -0600, you
The Jan/Feb 1993 issue of Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette featured a
design by Hugh Boutell for an On30 geared live steamer from about 1950.
This little loco has what appears to be a fuel vaporizing tank mounted
above another low-profile tank with an outboard filler spout. Both tanks
are
Would these designs be in the LBSC book or are they scattered about in
differant sources?
PeteH
The late LBSC described a number
of kerosene (Paraffin UK) fueled ones of a number of designs, most of
which
were more usitable for the forced draft loco type boilers.
Jim Gregg.
Pete,
I hadn't thought of that!--now to make the goose feathers fire proof!
The stem of the goose feather is hollow isn't it?
I wonder if capillary tubes would work?
Regards,
PeteH
I like your comments too, Jim I'll do that when I fire up my 3-1/2'
gauge--for all the folks who let their dogs
Hi All.
That one is one used by the model boat people in the 1920 - 50
period. Your supposition as to how it works is spot on.
Jim Gregg.
At 06:55 PM 4/16/04 -0700, you wrote:
The Jan/Feb 1993 issue of Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette featured a
design by Hugh Boutell for an On30 geared
Peter
They are a bit scattered, however the book The Live Steam Book by LBSC
has a whole chapter on what are described as Oil Burners. My edition is
published by Percival Marshall Co 1954. First published 1950. There are
later editions.
Jim Gregg.
At 09:04 PM 4/16/04 -0500, you wrote:
That sounds right! The design was being sold by Ken Shattock if memory
serves. : ]
Trot, the gray, fox...
| /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember,
| ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon\ There is a
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From: PeteH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Would you be
I have installed stainless steel radiant burner type mesh in my Aster Alisan
shay burners.
All I did was cut the SS mesh into strips wide enough to bring the mesh
about 10mm or 1/2 inch above the burner tube top. Next I rolled the SS mesh
into a fairly tight roll before inserting it into the
What about a bundle of capillary tubes? The resultant straight route up
might mean fewer would be required.
Keep your steam up!
Walt Lunk
Jeff Runge told me about stainless mesh for my Mikado wicks. It has worked
very well.Steve Speck
At 12:28 PM 4/4/04 -0700, you wrote:
I have installed stainless steel radiant burner type mesh in my Aster Alisan
shay burners.
All I did was cut the SS mesh into strips wide enough to bring
At 12:28 PM 4/4/04 -0700, Gary wrote:
I have installed stainless steel radiant burner type mesh in my Aster Alisan
shay burners.
I did this with my Roundhouse 'Pooter'. The first bench test was rather
exciting after about 3 minutes, when the meths started to boil in the wick
tubes, and ejected
Gary: Here is a photo of my shroud system as used on my Mikado.
http://home.earthlink.net/~clarklord/_images/shroud.jpg
Clark
Gary wrote:
I appreciate the idea shared a few days ago about inserting a sleeve into
the wick tube to enable rapid adjustment of wicks. I will make one as soon
Hi Clark,
Great idea and very good photograph. I would surmise you could adjust
these at anytime without dismantling the burner from the engine, and while
lit if accessable?.
Interesting sideline:- I replaced the wicks on my U1 recently which
uses two rectangular troughs approx 2.5
with the exhaust
blast up the stack is largely self regulating - working harder = more
exhaust = more blast = more draught = more fuel used and more heat, - so
use the meth valve as a shut off only, and get the wicks right and it will
go like a charm. A friend of mine, the local Aster agent
adjusting the fuel valve adjust anything? Or is the fuel valve
basically ON/OFF?
Gary - Experimenting with wicks in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor
) iceing on top of
the cake.
Great job
no echo
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From: Clark Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:15 PM
Subject: Shrouded wicks.
During the first five runs of my Aster
cgprod wrote:
Hi Clark.
Thats a great idea and that running time well fantastic to say the
least .
Do you think that it would be of any advantage to silver solder a
piece of steel wire 1/1`6 or near and take it to below the bottom of the
feed tube for minor weather
tube 1
1/2 times. The length of the strip is a bit over the entire length of the
wick tube and the projecting wicks. With slots cut out to clear the
horizontal feed tubes it is possible to raise or lower the sleeve using a
hole punched in the lower end of the sleeve. I use an icepick
Victor Lacy wrote:
..I just went ahead and made the exterior sleeve. I'm glad that Clark
has made the experiment with the interior tube and it sounds like it does
not lift the wicks when used.
Well I believe that it WILL move the wicks if exterior adjustment is attempted.
The wick pack
/shroud.jpg
In the photo you will see the 1/2 inch tube stock, the Aster three tube wick
holder, some wicks and the shrouds.
I took a KS 1/2 inch OD brass tube and sliced off three 9/16 long sections.
These slip inside the Aster wick tubes and stick out 1/16 inch when all the way
in. To make sure
I was also in a wood burning stove store recently and asked about fire
bricks. That had two types, both used to line the inside of a woodburning
fireplace insert or Fraanklin type stove. The one brick was very hard and I
would think very difficult to shape. It also did not seem to be very
promising for meth wicks Sizes from 1/4 to almost 1 inch
.There were even a few that were woven with a fine wire mesh on the
outside .
Paul Gamlin
that in
their RC airplanes. I could never afford such a luxury as a radio control
setup.
Casey Sterbenz
From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Post-modernist wicks
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:06:33 -0800
Here is another link I forgot to add.
http://steamlogger.homestead.com/files/fire.jpg
I have since shortened the top by about 1/8 inch and it has worked fine
in my 4-4-0.
Robb DeVries in Michigan
At 08:40 PM 11/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
Here is another link I forgot to add.
Robb DeVries in Michigan
Thanks Robb, I saw your pictures on the board. I could see the benefits of
a small mushroom head. Great looking flame.
Cheers,
Harry
Has anyone yet tried replacing wicks with the ceramic/firebrick plug
as described in Ken Parkinson's article in the last SitG? I'm keen to try
this, and I've seen what I think is exactly the material he's using, but
can't find it locally and don't know what to call it. Firebrick around
of the ceramic wicks
and the tool he made them with. Works very well in a vice. No report about
actual loco tests.
Chuck
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Behalf Of Harry Wade
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
mentioned, and
installed the firebrickwicks in his Argyle American, which seems to run
great. Hopefully he will catch this and respond with more detail.
Salud, Eric
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From: Harry Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Post-modernist wicks
Has anyone yet tried replacing
Hey Walt Lunk
What are you using for wicks in your Mikado and how high are they?
Clark
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