Re: [Standards] Labeling Roster Items

2008-03-30 Thread anders conbere
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Justin Karneges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 30 March 2008 7:34 pm, anders conbere wrote: > > However in XMPP our roster grouping are still relegated to binning or > > boxing (an item in a group exists in one and only one group). > > Actually, in XMPP a

Re: [Standards] Labeling Roster Items

2008-03-30 Thread Justin Karneges
On Sunday 30 March 2008 7:34 pm, anders conbere wrote: > However in XMPP our roster grouping are still relegated to binning or > boxing (an item in a group exists in one and only one group). Actually, in XMPP a contact may be in multiple groups. In fact, the grouping is more like "tagging" than

[Standards] Labeling Roster Items

2008-03-30 Thread anders conbere
I think that we've seen some fairly convincing examples of how labeling or tagging can reduce the complexity of grouping sets of data, in particular when it might be difficult to assign the data items into only on individual group. Some big uses of tagging as the primary form of grouping includes g

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Johannes Wagener wrote: > Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA > > Hello, > here I submit a proposal for a new XEP called "IO DATA". > > The XEP is already located in the XEP inbox directory: > URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/io-data.html > > However, the initial version is erroneously mi

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Fabio Forno wrote: > (I crosspost this to the API mailing list, because I think that this > problem is another use case of the more general problem of p2p > communication between applications we are discussing; in the API ml we > can brainstorm better) > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Egon W

Re: [Standards] XEP-0235: data forms?

2008-03-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Fabio Forno wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Pedro Melo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have nothing very strong against Data Forms. My point was that, for >> clients that use XPath to parse the known parts of the stanza (and >> transparently ignore anything that the client does not sup

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Tobias Markmann
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Johannes Wagener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA > > Hello, > here I submit a proposal for a new XEP called "IO DATA". > > The XEP is already located in the XEP inbox directory: > URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/io-data

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Johannes Wagener
Dear Fabio, thank you for your comment/clarification about the term "REST". Fabio Forno schrieb: While it's true that in SOAP+XMPP specs there is no asynchronous message exchange pattern (and that was a mistake, though I think it's possible to add a new MEP), this is not related to REST. Neither

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Johannes Wagener
Fabio Forno schrieb: BTW, let me say that asynchronous RPC support in XMPP is very interesting for scientific workflow environments. This proposal addresses two problems which are important limitations of current approaches like SOAP over HTTP. Indeed, it's interesting in general ;)

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Fabio Forno
(I crosspost this to the API mailing list, because I think that this problem is another use case of the more general problem of p2p communication between applications we are discussing; in the API ml we can brainstorm better) On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Egon Willighagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Egon Willighagen
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 7:09 PM, Fabio Forno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While it's true that in SOAP+XMPP specs there is no asynchronous > message exchange pattern (and that was a mistake, though I think it's > possible to add a new MEP), this is not related to REST. Neither the > concept of

Re: [Standards] XEP-0235: data forms?

2008-03-30 Thread Fabio Forno
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Pedro Melo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have nothing very strong against Data Forms. My point was that, for > clients that use XPath to parse the known parts of the stanza (and > transparently ignore anything that the client does not support), data > forms a

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA

2008-03-30 Thread Fabio Forno
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Johannes Wagener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proposed XMPP Extension: IO DATA > > > Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for > handling the input to and output from a remote entity. > Some remarks. You write "While SOAP over XMPP suppo

Re: [Standards] XEP-136 and XEP-59 implementation comments

2008-03-30 Thread Alexander Tsvyashchenko
Tomasz, Quoting Tomasz Sterna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: There's one other idea I have, but it may break backward compatibility and I'm not sure if it doesn't break something else: what if JIDs like 'domain.com' are treated like 'wildcards' (like it is now), but '@domain.com' are considered to be ex

Re: [Standards] XEP-136 and XEP-59 implementation comments

2008-03-30 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 2008-03-30, nie o godzinie 13:20 +0300, Alexander Tsvyashchenko pisze: > There's one other idea I have, but it may break backward > compatibility > and I'm not sure if it doesn't break something else: what if JIDs > like > 'domain.com' are treated like 'wildcards' (like it is now), but >

Re: [Standards] XEP-136 and XEP-59 implementation comments

2008-03-30 Thread Alexander Tsvyashchenko
Peter, Quoting Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Well, in fact I think I've found already one case when this is a problem, not only for collections listing, but also for their removal and for preferences storing, see my message: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2007-November/01