[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0231 (Data Element)

2008-08-05 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.4 of XEP-0231 (Data Element) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines an XMPP protocol extension for including small bits of binary data in an XML stanza. Changelog: Generalized text regarding inclusion of parameters in type attribute per RFC 2045; added max-age attribu

Re: [Standards] comments on section 8.3, draft-saintandre-rfc3920bis-06.html

2008-08-05 Thread Justin Karneges
On Tuesday 05 August 2008 08:54:22 Pavel Simerda wrote: > On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:59:50 -0600 > > Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right. Or XEP-0191. Effectively Google Talk (and other similar > > services) deploy a rule of "forbid communications with people not on > > my roster" on

Re: [Standards] ICE/UDP and NAT

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Sylvain Mundialco wrote: My question was actual in the xep-0176 section 5.5 Connectivity Checks. The initiator and responder and behind NAT. We are not able to do get implementation right. The responder do not get the first request same as initiator ( illustrated by From 192.0.2.3:456

Re: [Standards] XEP-0060 presence_based_delivery

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Emil Hesslow wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Emil Hesslow wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Emil Hesslow wrote: Hi, I'm writing my own pubsub component and what I want to do is just to push

Re: [Standards] XEP-0060 presence_based_delivery

2008-08-05 Thread Emil Hesslow
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Emil Hesslow wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Emil Hesslow wrote: Hi, I'm writing my own pubsub component and what I want to do is j

Re: [Standards] XEP-0060 presence_based_delivery

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Emil Hesslow wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Emil Hesslow wrote: Hi, I'm writing my own pubsub component and what I want to do is just to push messages to people that are online. And when I look in XEP-0060 I found that there is a property c

Re: [Standards] XEP-0060 presence_based_delivery

2008-08-05 Thread Emil Hesslow
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Emil Hesslow wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm writing my own pubsub component and what I want to do is just to push >> messages to people that are online. >> >> And when I look in XEP-0060 I found that there is a property call

Re: [Standards] XEP-0060 presence_based_delivery

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Emil Hesslow wrote: Hi, I'm writing my own pubsub component and what I want to do is just to push messages to people that are online. And when I look in XEP-0060 I found that there is a property called presence_based_delivery but I can't understand how it suppose to work. Right now I have

Re: [Standards] XEP-0060: event message type

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
vatsarv wrote: Hi Peter, Thanks for the quick response. The message type of 'headline' will solve my previous problem, but a new problem has come up because of this. I went throught the xep-0160 to see how the headline messages are treated if the client is offline. This XEP recommends not to st

Re: [Standards] forwarding

2008-08-05 Thread anders conbere
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maciek Niedzielski wrote: >> >> Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> >>> Olivier Goffart wrote: It would be cool to add a way to specify a new jid, so the server could reply with a error with the new Jid or

Re: [Standards] xep-0077: account removal... and after?

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jehan wrote: So to come back to my questions... Is it defined somewhere, in some XEP, what happens to your subscriptions when an account is deleted? As they are based simply on your jid, this can be insecure, so I think this is a sensible matter... No, we leave it up to server implementations

Re: [Standards] forwarding

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Olivier Goffart wrote: It would be cool to add a way to specify a new jid, so the server could reply with a error with the new Jid or even forward message to the new one. What prevents a malicious user from setting up an account, subscribin

Re: [Standards] Questions about xhtml-im

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jehan wrote: Peter Saint-Andre;2169 Wrote: So I say that we update XEP-0071 to no longer disallow semantic markup (in fact there's no real way to do that in XHTML Modularization anyway!) and encourage experimentation to see which elements people really want to use (I think it will be mostly

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Pavel Simerda wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:16:45 -0600 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMHO you'd get account/* from a bare JID and client/* from a full JID. /psa But then account/* should never send presence, no? Right, account/* is service discovery only, not presence. I wa

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Pavel Simerda
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:16:45 -0600 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maciek Niedzielski wrote: > > Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >>> I like the part that only client/* should be interpreted as > >>> IM-capable resources, but I don't know if that is too strict. > >> > >> That's probably

Re: [Standards] comments on section 8.3, draft-saintandre-rfc3920bis-06.html

2008-08-05 Thread Pavel Simerda
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:59:50 -0600 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pedro Melo wrote: > > > > On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:12 AM, Ovidiu Craciun wrote: > > > >> > >> Excerpt from: > >> http://www.xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3920bis-06.html > >> > >> "Section: 8.3. Gener

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Maciek Niedzielski wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I like the part that only client/* should be interpreted as IM-capable resources, but I don't know if that is too strict. That's probably too strict. At the least I think we'd say that the following identities are IM-capable: account/* clie

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I like the part that only client/* should be interpreted as IM-capable resources, but I don't know if that is too strict. That's probably too strict. At the least I think we'd say that the following identities are IM-capable: account/* client/* I always thought the

Re: [Standards] presence priority -1 issues

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Pedro Melo wrote: On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Pedro Melo wrote: On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Jul 31 17:17:40 2008, Pedro Melo wrote: Moving forward, this would allow clever clients to observe that it wasn't a IM client capable of handli

Re: [Standards] XEP-0154: User Profile - enterprise vs. simple

2008-08-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Pavel Simerda wrote: Hello Peter, this is just reactions to your post, I will later summarize what I have and include some examples so we can advance from theory to something real. Sounds good! On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:23:36 -0600 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (citation shortene

Re: [Standards] xep-0077: account removal... and after?

2008-08-05 Thread Jehan
Maciek Niedzielski;2181 Wrote: > Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > Olivier Goffart wrote: > >> It would be cool to add a way to specify a new jid, so the server > >> could reply with a error with the new Jid > >> or even forward message to the new one. > > > > What prevents a malicious user from se

Re: [Standards] Questions about xhtml-im

2008-08-05 Thread Jehan
Peter Saint-Andre;2169 Wrote: > Pavel Simerda wrote: > > On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:40:49 +0200 > > Maciek Niedzielski wrote: > > > >> Jehan wrote: > >>> But still for most end users, the best is wysiwyg > >> And this is why xhtml-im needs to be about formatting, not > semantics: > >> most end use

Re: [Standards] forwarding

2008-08-05 Thread Maciek Niedzielski
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Olivier Goffart wrote: It would be cool to add a way to specify a new jid, so the server could reply with a error with the new Jid or even forward message to the new one. What prevents a malicious user from setting up an account, subscribing it to every bot on the n

Re: [Standards] forwarding (was: Re: xep-0077: account removal... and after?)

2008-08-05 Thread Olivier Goffart
Le mardi 5 août 2008, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : > Olivier Goffart wrote: > > I'm about off topic here, but since you mention this spec i'd like to add > > my two cent. > > > > It would be cool to add a way to specify a new jid, so the server could > > reply with a error with the new Jid > > or e