Re: [Standards] DevCon report

2008-08-18 Thread Zenon Kuder jr.
Hello, Dne Monday 18 of August 2008 18:48:10 Peter Saint-Andre napsal(a): > http://dev.jabbim.cz/jdisk > > Pavel and I have an action item to write up how this works. I think you > use standard XEP-0096 to upload files to the server and it stores them > for you, but I'm not sure how they are retri

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Aug 14 19:03:24 2008, Matthew Wild wrote: IRC has the concept of invitation-only rooms. Although this isn't implemented in any MUC server that I know of, today's protocol leaves the option for implementation open, while this one doesn't. Why not do what we discussed

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jonathan Schleifer wrote: Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do clients now handle receipt of two invitations (both mediated)? They show two invitations and give a message that you are already joined on the second one. We could add a phrase to the directed MUC invitation like "

Re: [Standards] DevCon report

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Gaston Dombiak wrote: In XEP-129 I see that you can specify list of jids allowed to get the files. That would be example 3. In our case for MUC rooms integration the HTTP PUT was sent to an URL that correlates to a room so we are not using example 3 but letting the room use the list of room occup

Re: [Standards] DevCon report

2008-08-18 Thread Gaston Dombiak
In XEP-129 I see that you can specify list of jids allowed to get the files. That would be example 3. In our case for MUC rooms integration the HTTP PUT was sent to an URL that correlates to a room so we are not using example 3 but letting the room use the list of room occupants to answer if the fi

[Standards] new muc and pubsub lists

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
In line with the recent creation of several special-purpose, lower-volume discussion lists (for Jingle, BOSH, social networking, mobile applications, etc.), I have created two new lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- discussion about Multi-User Chat, sign up at http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/m

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0231 (Bits of Binary)

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Zenon Kuder jr. wrote: Dne Monday 18 of August 2008 02:32:48 Pavel Simerda napsal(a): Looks fine to me, looking forward for Zenek's comments! Pavel I'm ok with the current version too. I'll try to poke Jabbim devs about their potential comments. Also Marcus may add some valuable input from h

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0231 (Bits of Binary)

2008-08-18 Thread Zenon Kuder jr.
Dne Monday 18 of August 2008 02:32:48 Pavel Simerda napsal(a): > Looks fine to me, looking forward for Zenek's comments! > > Pavel I'm ok with the current version too. I'll try to poke Jabbim devs about their potential comments. Also Marcus may add some valuable input from his Pidgin implementat

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do clients now handle receipt of two invitations (both mediated)? They show two invitations and give a message that you are already joined on the second one. We could add a phrase to the directed MUC invitation like "The directed invitation shou

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Dave Cridland
On Thu Aug 14 19:03:24 2008, Matthew Wild wrote: IRC has the concept of invitation-only rooms. Although this isn't implemented in any MUC server that I know of, today's protocol leaves the option for implementation open, while this one doesn't. Why not do what we discussed in ages past? Leav

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jonathan Schleifer wrote: Another idea would be to send both, directed and via the server. We'd just need to find a way to only display that once. Maybe give the invitation an ID? That way, the invited user will be added to the members list AND be able to join, even if there's a privacy list bloc

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Another idea would be to send both, directed and via the server. We'd just need to find a way to only display that once. Maybe give the invitation an ID? That way, the invited user will be added to the members list AND be able to join, even if there's a privacy list blockig the invitation from the

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Dave Cridland wrote: For "real" authentication, you'd want to use SASL between the client and the MUC service, but if you did this, a rogue server could still intercept the normal MUC messages. So what you need to do is have integrity protected and encrypted messages, which effectively means

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jonathan Schleifer wrote: Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In fact that's a members-only room, as currently defined in the XEP (nothing special about ejabberd there). The joining user doesn't present an invitation, instead the MUC service adds the joining user to the member list wh

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In fact that's a members-only room, as currently defined in the XEP > (nothing special about ejabberd there). The joining user doesn't > present an invitation, instead the MUC service adds the joining user > to the member list when the invitation is

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jonathan Schleifer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Am 18.08.2008 um 04:20 schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: Agreed. Members-only rooms seem much more natural than invite-only rooms, especially because we have authenticated identities. I think an invite-only room would be i

Re: [Standards] DevCon report

2008-08-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
http://dev.jabbim.cz/jdisk Pavel and I have an action item to write up how this works. I think you use standard XEP-0096 to upload files to the server and it stores them for you, but I'm not sure how they are retrieved. Gaston Dombiak wrote: I didn’t assist to the Summit @ Brussels so I lack

Re: [Standards] DevCon report

2008-08-18 Thread Gaston Dombiak
I didn't assist to the Summit @ Brussels so I lack a lot of information. Having said that, What is JabberDisk? Can't we use XEP-129 and may be also XEP-135 for that goal? We are using XEP-129 for file sharing (in rooms) and since it's server based it should be possible to hook up a virus scannin

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon Aug 18 07:14:00 2008, Johansson Olle E wrote: 18 aug 2008 kl. 04.20 skrev Peter Saint-Andre: Agreed. Members-only rooms seem much more natural than invite-only rooms, especially because we have authenticated identities. IRC doesn't have authentication, so they might need some kind of

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Direct MUC Invitations

2008-08-18 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Am 18.08.2008 um 04:20 schrieb Peter Saint-Andre: Agreed. Members-only rooms seem much more natural than invite-only rooms, especially because we have authenticated identities. I think an invite-only room would be interesting for continued

Re: [Standards] DevCon report

2008-08-18 Thread Yann Biancheri
Hi everyone, I remember we spoke about "JabberDisk" at the last XMPP Summit in Brussels but I can't found any documentation on it in the xeps or Jabber wiki. We'd like to share images between multiple xmpp entities, and we have to check for viruses in the transfered file. As such, JabberD