[Standards] NEW: XEP-0283 (Moved)

2010-06-16 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.1 of XEP-0283 (Moved) has been released. Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension that enables a user to inform its contacts about a change in JID. Changelog: Initial published version. (psa) Diff: N/A URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0283.html

[Standards] Bits of Binary 'type' REQUIRED

2010-06-16 Thread Paul Aurich
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0231.html#format indicates that the 'type' attribute is REQUIRED on the element, as does the XML schema section, but in the examples, it's only included on the returned data (which is sensible, a requesting client cannot know what the data actually is). My opinion i

Re: [Standards] update on issue processing

2010-06-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/14/10 11:18 PM, Evgeniy Khramtsov wrote: > 15.06.2010 15:09, Evgeniy Khramtsov wrote: >> 15.06.2010 07:39, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> I've performed initial triage on about 30% of the issues reported on >>> 3920bis during WGLC (through the end of Section 4). Feel free to comment >>> on the i

Re: [Standards] DEFERRED: XEP-0248 (PubSub Collection Nodes)

2010-06-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/16/10 5:05 PM, Arc Riley wrote: > It doesn't appear that any work has been done on this since last Fall. Correct. Someone else pinged me about this just today. Whether anyone steps up to take over maintainership is an open question. My plate is full for the next few months, so don't look at

Re: [Standards] DEFERRED: XEP-0248 (PubSub Collection Nodes)

2010-06-16 Thread Arc Riley
Ping. It doesn't appear that any work has been done on this since last Fall. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 9/12/09 12:51 AM, Jason wrote: > > This saddens me too. > > No one has died. Let's not get too sad. :)

[Standards] Use of to/from attributes in XEP-0077: In-Band Registration inconsistent and underspecified

2010-06-16 Thread Waqas Hussain
The operations described in the XEP can be divided into two categories. 1. From an unauthenticated user (request registration form, register) Theses involve sending IQs to the host. What isn't specified is what the host is when the stanza is missing a 'to' attribute (as most of the examp

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote: > Kevin Smith wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Kozlov Konstantin >> wrote: >>> On 06/16/2010 08:27 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >>>    The log, attached to the first message clearly says that even author >>> of XEP-0184 do not agree wi

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Konstantin Kozlov
Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Kozlov Konstantin wrote: On 06/16/2010 08:27 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: The log, attached to the first message clearly says that even author of XEP-0184 do not agree with you, Kevin. So, why do you argue? Well, because the way that

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote: >> On 06/16/2010 08:57 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >>> Note that 184 is explicit about not using it for triggering re-sends. >> So you know that your contact didn't received the message but y

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:57 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >> Note that 184 is explicit about not using it for triggering re-sends. > So you know that your contact didn't received the message but you're not > allowed to re-send it? I mean client doesn't r

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Yann Leboulanger
On 06/16/2010 08:57 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: Note that 184 is explicit about not using it for triggering re-sends. So you know that your contact didn't received the message but you're not allowed to re-send it? I mean client doesn't re-send it automatically, ok, but user does.

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:43 PM, Kozlov Konstantin wrote: >> >> On 06/16/2010 08:27 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >>> >>> I think the following text makes it clear, though: >>> 'Specifically, the receiving entity shall return a  notice >>> if it has recei

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Kozlov Konstantin wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:27 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >> I think the following text makes it clear, though: >> 'Specifically, the receiving entity shall return a  notice >> if it has received and processed the message. The term "processed" is >> und

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kozlov Konstantin
> On 06/16/2010 08:43 PM, Kozlov Konstantin wrote: > > The log, attached to the first message clearly says that even author of > > XEP-0184 do not agree with you, Kevin. So, why do you argue? > Maybe we should just choose what we want of this XEP and just re-phrase > some sentences. > I personaly

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Yann Leboulanger
On 06/16/2010 08:43 PM, Kozlov Konstantin wrote: On 06/16/2010 08:27 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: I think the following text makes it clear, though: 'Specifically, the receiving entity shall return a notice if it has received and processed the message. The term "processed" is understood to include pr

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kozlov Konstantin
Different clients have different ways to determne if message is read by the user. For example, the client I'm developing right now has 2 absolutely disfferent ways. So, I think message is better way to determine that message is read by the user, than attempts to guess about it analysing chat s

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kozlov Konstantin
On 06/16/2010 08:27 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: > I think the following text makes it clear, though: > 'Specifically, the receiving entity shall return a notice > if it has received and processed the message. The term "processed" is > understood to include presentation to a human user if appropriate or

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:27 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Yann Leboulanger >>  wrote: >>> >>> On 06/16/2010 08:15 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Peter Saint-Andre  wrote:

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Yann Leboulanger
On 06/16/2010 08:27 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote: On 06/16/2010 08:15 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I just had an interesting conversation with "yagiza" about XEP-0184, which he has said I c

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 6/16/10 12:21 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote: >> On 06/16/2010 08:15 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Peter >>> Saint-Andre  wrote: I just had an interesting conversation with "yagiza" about XEP-0184, w

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:15 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Peter Saint-Andre >>  wrote: >>> I just had an interesting conversation with "yagiza" about XEP-0184, >>> which he has said I can paste here. The general idea i

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/16/10 12:21 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:15 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Peter >> Saint-Andre wrote: >>> I just had an interesting conversation with "yagiza" about XEP-0184, >>> which he has said I can paste here. The general idea is: do we need

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Yann Leboulanger
On 06/16/2010 08:15 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I just had an interesting conversation with "yagiza" about XEP-0184, which he has said I can paste here. The general idea is: do we need something in XEP-0184 to indicate that a message has been

Re: [Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > I just had an interesting conversation with "yagiza" about XEP-0184, > which he has said I can paste here. The general idea is: do we need > something in XEP-0184 to indicate that a message has been read by the > intended recipient? This

[Standards] XEP-0184: vs. vs.

2010-06-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
I just had an interesting conversation with "yagiza" about XEP-0184, which he has said I can paste here. The general idea is: do we need something in XEP-0184 to indicate that a message has been read by the intended recipient? This would be similar to the element in XEP-0022. I'm not convinced tha

Re: [Standards] SXE redux

2010-06-16 Thread Nicolas Vérité
We may also need to talk with Fabien Cazenave and Sonny Piers: http://x-home.hd.free.fr/projects/sxEdit/report/index.html On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 22:15, Arc Riley wrote: > Is there any effort to collaborate with the Infinote developers? > > http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/wiki/Infinote > > On Wed, Jun

[Standards] Fwd: [Council] Minutes 2010-06-14

2010-06-16 Thread Kevin Smith
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Kevin Smith Date: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:27 AM Subject: Minutes 2010-06-14 To: XMPP Council 1) Roll call All present 2) Agenda bashing. None 3) XEP-0124: BOSH http://xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0124-1.10.html Diff: http://xmpp.org/extensions/di