Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-08-15 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 08/13/2014 10:26 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 6/2/14, 10:48 AM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering Abstract: This specification defines a modern efficient way to deliver

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-08-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 6/2/14, 10:48 AM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering Abstract: This specification defines a modern efficient way to deliver PubSub notifications. URL:

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-07-22 Thread Sergey Dobrov
The proposal has been updated getting rid of XEP-33 inside. On 06/02/2014 11:48 PM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering Abstract: This specification defines a modern efficient

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Sergey Dobrov
So guys, what are the exact concern around the XEP-0033 and what should I use instead? I did not get your points. On 06/02/2014 11:48 PM, XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Philipp Hancke
Am 23.06.2014 09:41, schrieb Sergey Dobrov: So guys, what are the exact concern around the XEP-0033 None of us has ever seen 0033 deliver on reducing the amount of s2s traffic. Even the authors of 0033 agreed to this in the repeater introduction. Using 0033 unconditionally has trust

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Sergey Dobrov
On 06/23/2014 05:01 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: Am 23.06.2014 09:41, schrieb Sergey Dobrov: So guys, what are the exact concern around the XEP-0033 None of us has ever seen 0033 deliver on reducing the amount of s2s traffic. Even the authors of 0033 agreed to this in the repeater

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:01:21 +0200 Philipp Hancke fi...@goodadvice.pages.de wrote: Am 23.06.2014 09:41, schrieb Sergey Dobrov: So guys, what are the exact concern around the XEP-0033 None of us has ever seen 0033 deliver on reducing the amount of s2s traffic. Even the authors of 0033 agreed

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Dave Cridland
On 23 June 2014 11:44, Evgeny Khramtsov xramt...@gmail.com wrote: 1) servers hold too much state What state do you think they hold that they should not? 2) clients receive too much data By too much data, do you mean irrelevant data or redundant data, or something else?

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:11:35 +0100 Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: On 23 June 2014 11:44, Evgeny Khramtsov xramt...@gmail.com wrote: 1) servers hold too much state What state do you think they hold that they should not? CAPs cache for example. 2) clients receive too much data

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Dave Cridland
On 23 June 2014 14:03, Evgeny Khramtsov xramt...@gmail.com wrote: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:11:35 +0100 Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: On 23 June 2014 11:44, Evgeny Khramtsov xramt...@gmail.com wrote: 1) servers hold too much state What state do you think they hold that they

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Kim Alvefur
On 2014-06-23 15:03, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:11:35 +0100 Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: On 23 June 2014 11:44, Evgeny Khramtsov xramt...@gmail.com wrote: 1) servers hold too much state What state do you think they hold that they should not? CAPs cache for

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-23 Thread Evgeny Khramtsov
Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:23:40 +0200 Kim Alvefur z...@zash.se wrote: When does this happen? Other clients should check with disco#info and caps if the client supports things before sending them. This happens when a server doesn't cache caps. Presence de-duplication would be very interesting to

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-19 Thread Sergey Dobrov
Guys, could you please be more specific on what's wrong with XEP-33 because I don't really understand your concerns. I don't think that it will be better to use my own protocol to put the subscribers' JIDs into the event, right? So what are the options? Thanks. On 06/18/2014 04:21 PM, Kevin

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-18 Thread Lance Stout
On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:48 AM, XMPP Extensions Editor edi...@xmpp.org wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering Abstract: This specification defines a modern efficient way to deliver PubSub notifications.

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-18 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Lance Stout lancest...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:48 AM, XMPP Extensions Editor edi...@xmpp.org wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering Abstract: This

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-17 Thread Sergey Dobrov
Hello Philipp, thanks for your feedback. On 06/17/2014 03:02 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: Am 02.06.2014 18:48, schrieb XMPP Extensions Editor: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering Abstract: This specification

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering

2014-06-02 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Recipient Server Side Notifications Filtering Abstract: This specification defines a modern efficient way to deliver PubSub notifications. URL: http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rsf.html The XMPP Council will decide in