Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-27 Thread Etan S. C. Reisner
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 09:05:15PM -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote: > At Chesspark we make all public rooms non-anonymous and we always show > the full jid or (if they are in your roster) the roster nick for that > person. That way no one is ever confused who is who. So we've > basically solved this i

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-26 Thread Robin Redeker
On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 09:17:03AM +0530, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: > Jack Moffitt wrote: > >>Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise > >>roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of > >>stringprep: > >> > >>http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-26 Thread Mridul Muralidharan
Jack Moffitt wrote: Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids This means that the following roomnicks are all different: StPeter stpe

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-26 Thread Jack Moffitt
Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids This means that the following roomnicks are all different: StPeter stpeter STPETER Some peopl

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: > Anyway, I think people are able to recognize the case, you use lower and > upper case in normal writing too… You're probably smarter than most people. I know that server vendors are receiving feature requests to disambiguate roomnicks. If we leave wiggle room in the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-20 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 07:19:53PM +0200, Remko Tronçon wrote: > > I'm late posting, but case-sensitivity is just one of many ways that room > > nicks can be confusing. "StPeter" vs "St.Peter" vs "St. Peter" vs > > "St Peter", or even "StPeter " -- and then there are all the visually > > con

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Remko Tronçon wrote: >> I'm late posting, but case-sensitivity is just one of many ways that room >> nicks can be confusing. "StPeter" vs "St.Peter" vs "St. Peter" vs >> "St Peter", or even "StPeter " -- and then there are all the visually >> confusable Unicode glyphs. ("StΡeter".) It's not obvious

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-20 Thread Remko Tronçon
I'm late posting, but case-sensitivity is just one of many ways that room nicks can be confusing. "StPeter" vs "St.Peter" vs "St. Peter" vs "St Peter", or even "StPeter " -- and then there are all the visually confusable Unicode glyphs. ("StΡeter".) It's not obvious to me that case-folding is the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-20 Thread Andrew Plotkin
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think if we want to solve this in a compatible way we should just let the muc server block multiple nicks in the same room with only differ in case (rephrase that in Stringprep section numbers, etc) If a server works that way (and maybe announces

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise >> roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: >> >> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrul

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread textshell-E19442
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise > roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: > > http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids > > This means that t

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Robin Redeker
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 03:19:09PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Chris Mullins wrote: > > > I think the IDEAL option is MEP: > > If we were redesigning things from scratch, probably. > > But we're not redesigning things from scratch. :) What are we're doing then? Patching/Hacking up nearly

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Chris Mullins wrote: > I think the IDEAL option is MEP: If we were redesigning things from scratch, probably. But we're not redesigning things from scratch. :) > I wouldn't be opposed to creating a new "RoomNamePrep" profile that > (on the server) checked for duplicate names. The "visible" port

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Rachel Blackman wrote: >> Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise >> roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of >> stringprep: >> >> http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids >> >> This means that the following roomnicks are all differ

RE: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Chris Mullins
l Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:36 PM To: standards@xmpp.org Subject: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise roomnicks are handled accordin

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Rachel Blackman
Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids This means that the following roomnicks are all different: StPeter stpeter STPETER Some pe

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > We could solve it by applying the Nodeprep profile of stringprep, but > that would forbid things like whitespace and the ' and : characters. > (Naturally, those characters could be escaped using XEP-0106 if desired.) Er, that's wrong. XEP-0106 is for node identifiers on

[Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids This means that the following roomnicks are all different: StPeter stpeter STPETER Some people