I think that the balancing act between catering for the newbies and
testing the patience of the grizzled struts listers is always a
difficult one.
Some lists that I have been which keep off-topic or lazy questions to a
minimum do it in several ways.
The css-discuss list has a list policy much
Excellent! I've not seen that before, can we get that put on in a web form?
Hmmm, maybe that's a weekend project
worse is better
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From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:16 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Lazy
I'd add that we really don't need a discussion about IDEs every week. This
list is also becoming a clearinghouse for general java/web/open-source
questions.
Since we're bringing up pet peeves, messages which consist of a signature
longer than the actual message itself should be filtered out...
Paul McCulloch wrote:
Is it my imagination or are the number of downright lazy requests to this
list getting worse?
Where can I download Struts?
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Rick
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What is certain is that this mailibng list is an active one !
I think the lazy issue is common one for all mailing list. I'm myself
quite new to struts and I had many questions in the begining. Even with
the ducumentation effort on the Struts project, I found some
difficulties to find the
Since we're bringing up pet peeves, messages which
consist of a signature longer than the actual message
itself should be filtered out...
Unfortunately many of us have no choice, since it's
added by the corp mail server.
Case in point below...
-TPP
What may seem like a lazy question to some, may seem like a valid question for a
newbie.
Some people just need to remember what it was like to try to learn this stuff for the
first time.
Also remember, you have total control of your delete key.
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From: Paul
What may seem like a lazy question to some, may seem like a
valid question for a newbie.
Some people just need to remember what it was like to try to
learn this stuff for the first time.
I think people generally refer to lazy questions when
the answer to the question could have been search
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Subject: RE: Lazy questions on this list
What may seem like a lazy question to some, may seem like a
valid question for a newbie.
Some people just need to remember what it was like to try to
learn this stuff for the first time.
Also remember, you have total control of your
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Subject: RE: Lazy questions on this list
What may seem like a lazy question to some, may seem like a
valid question for a newbie.
Some people just need to remember what it was like to try to
learn
Would it be possible to create a newbie list? As a newbie I would much
rather read post messages on a list targeted to people just starting out.
A lazy question to experienced developer could be a valid newbie question...
L:)
Paul McCulloch wrote:
Is it my imagination or are the number of
Well, a list meant exclusively for newbies doesn't
serve the purpose as we will miss the expert advice
and words of wisdom of the experienced Struts gurus on
this list!!
Shyam,
(eternally newbie!)
--- Linda Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would it be possible to create a newbie list? As a
Maybe you're right, but I think there might be enough people who read
the newbie list that could help people starting out. Maybe there could
be a few volunteers
from the rank of experienced developers that could help shepherd we
newbies in right direction. :)
L:)
Shyam A wrote:
Well, a list
I agree.
At the same time I do not think that How do I deprecate a method? or
What is JSTL? kinds of questions should be answered with anything more
involved than a link or reference to google.
Remember the parable about giving a man a fish vs. teaching him how to
fish? As long as these
..or maybe the newbies just need to get thicker skins and be taught how
to think.
:-)
Larry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/20/03 10:07 AM
Maybe you're right, but I think there might be enough people who read
the newbie list that could help people starting out. Maybe there could
be a few volunteers
: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:14 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Lazy questions on this list
What may seem like a lazy question to some, may seem like a
valid question for a newbie.
Some people just need to remember what it was like to try to
learn this stuff for the first
No search on nagoya.apache.org take less then a minute.. Way to slow
to be efffective!
nathan
On Nov 20, 2003, at 9:22 AM, Paananen, Tero wrote:
What may seem like a lazy question to some, may seem like a
valid question for a newbie.
Some people just need to remember what it was like to try
You are correct, a reference to
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html may not help, but a
reference to google or some other appropriate search reference *will*
help in this area by reducing the traffic to a READABLE level and
getting people into the habit of thinking and looking
Well, a newbie like me is happy as long as I know I'm
not fishing in troubled waters:)
--- Larry Meadors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree.
At the same time I do not think that How do I
deprecate a method? or
What is JSTL? kinds of questions should be
answered with anything more
involved
Larry Meadors wrote:
What is JSTL? kinds of questions should be answered
SNIP
As long as these questions are answered, they will continue to be
asked.
+1
Maybe a FAQ Wiki? Who will be the first to create a page and post a FAQ?
The culture of the list is part for Struts Community. The
Paul McCulloch wrote:
Is it my imagination or are the number of downright lazy requests to
this list getting worse?
If the only replies any lazy questions ever got was
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html then maybe people
would get the point. Has anyone got any other ideas
I could not disagree more. :-D
Give away the fish or teach people how to fish. What is the better
long-term solution?
Larry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/20/03 10:23 AM
IMHO, the very best way to handle easy questions is with a link to the
answer.
Jarnot Voytek Contr AU HQ/SC wrote:
I disagree, there is a clear distinction - asking a question without having
read the docs shouldn't seem valid to a newbie. I agree that a lot of these
concepts are not obvious, and a lot of the documentation is lacking - that's
why this list is essential.
Here is the Wiki url ... should somone want to do a first post on FAQ, I
will post 1 or 2... but I won't be first.
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?StrutsDocComments
Maybe dev makes the Wiki page more prominent.
Ted Husted wrote:
Paul McCulloch wrote:
Is it my imagination or are
So from what I'm hearing here, as a newb, it is safe to assume that all answers to my
questions will be www.google.com...
Well, that is typically the first place to look. I guess my next search should for a
more newbie friendly list...
Btw, the experts here have spent more time b*tching
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From: Long, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:36 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Lazy questions on this list
So from what I'm hearing here, as a newb, it is safe to
assume that all answers to my questions
the source
code.
Paul
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From: Carl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 November 2003 16:34
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Subject: Re: Lazy questions on this list
What is certain is that this mailibng list is an active one !
I think the lazy issue is common one for all
HAHAHAH! Dang I missed a veggie tales thread!
Why do I doubt Mark was in on that one?
Larry
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From: Long, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Lazy
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From: Long, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 November 2003 17:36
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Subject: RE: Lazy questions on this list
So from what I'm hearing here, as a newb, it is safe to
assume that all answers to my questions
1.Try to find an answer by searching the Web.
2.Try to find an answer by reading the manual.
3.Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ.
4.Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.
5.Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend.
6.You *are* a programmer, try to find an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/20/03 10:36 AM
So from what I'm hearing here, as a newb, it is safe to assume
that all answers to my questions will be www.google.com...
If your questions are What is JSTL? or How do I deprecate a method?,
then yes 100% of them will be.
Well, that is typically the
HAHAHAH! Dang I missed a veggie tales thread!
Why do I doubt Mark was in on that one?
If I recall correctly, he was right up there with the rest of us. :-)
Simon
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..and all I ask is that when you get there, use your head first and my
inbox next! :-D
I will gladly help if I can.
Larry
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Well, a newbie like me is happy as long as I know I'm
not fishing in troubled waters:)
--- Larry Meadors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
But remember that there are other sources like
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ , which has
its own search facilities, and because it's static HTML (it gets
translated rather than running on a live database), it's eminently
googleable.
I gave up on using eyebite for that reason.
So from what I'm hearing here, as a newb, it is safe to
assume that all answers to my questions will be www.google.com...
No, but as a newbie many of them will be. Many of them will also be in one
of the books that are out there, the docs, the source code or the archive of
this list:
: Lazy questions on this list
1.Try to find an answer by searching the Web.
2.Try to find an answer by reading the manual.
3.Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ.
4.Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.
5.Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend
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struts-user Digest 20 Nov 2003 17:44:53 - Issue 4192
Topics (messages 99608 through 99628):
Re: Lazy questions on this list
99608 by: Larry Meadors
99609 by: Larry Meadors
99611 by: Larry
No its not your imagination.. Some of the questions are just about
basic tag which is well documented with examples (for those who first
language isn't english).
I usually don't believe in stupid questions, as all questions are good,
but alas i've been proved wrong.
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