Dear John,
Many thanks for your illuminating comments.
Alas I made a typing error...
>> Compared with their fellows in the easternmost
>> 15 degrees, the others are effectively living
>> with single, double and quadruple summer time.
I meant triple rather than quadruple of course.
> This is
> Even in Kunming, a much more culturally Chinese area, people liked to
> quote the time-honored maxim that "the mountains are tall and the emperor
> is far away."
I had to think of the line from Fiddler:
"Is there a proper blessing for the Czar?"
"Yes, 'May God bless and keep the Czar --- far aw
Dear John,
I may have stated a "fact" about China being one very large time
zone. Day to day reality is obviously different.
Thanks for that, Doug
On Apr 20, 2010, at 14:46, John Goodman wrote:
>> In China there are 1.2bn people spread over
>> 60 degrees of longitude all living by the
>> sam
> In China there are 1.2bn people spread over
> 60 degrees of longitude all living by the
> same clock time.
>
> Compared with their fellows in the easternmost
> 15 degrees, the others are effectively living
> with single, double and quadruple summer time.
This is technically true, but in p
Dear Doug,
You make a host of interesting points in your
follow-up...
> Did the shift [to our semi-nocturnal life style]
> begin with the industrial revolution when better
> lighting became available with brighter oil lamps,
> incandescent gas mantles and then electric lighting?
These technologi
Dear Frank,
Many thanks for your kind thoughts and comments. At the moment I will
respond to one of the puzzles.
You say: "First, I should like a social historian to explain how this
[the drift to a different centre of the effective day] has come
about. For most of human history the 'eff
Dear Doug,
I enjoyed your message. You end:
> I hope that I have shed some light on the
> annual silly debate, and look forward to
> some acclaim (I hope) and probably some
> protests.
In my experience this debate takes place twice
a year but, that aside, you may have my acclaim
but also my pro
Better late than never I would like to enter this debate because I
became quite concerned about the lack of objectivity. We seem to have
had lots of comments about myths, folklore and personal prejudices. I
quote James Lovelock "We live at a time when emotions and feelings
count more than
I had to laugh out loud when I saw your magnificent design.
Thank you so much.
Van: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de]
Namens Fabio Savian
Onderwerp: Re: DST Misconceptions
...last year I solved the problem of DST at my home; now I've Delight
Sleeping
Utterly brilliant!
Chris
51.4N 1.3W
GMT for another week
- Original Message -
From: Fabio Savian
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
...last year I solved the problem of DST at my home; now I've De
...last year I solved the problem of DST at my home; now I've Delight Sleeping
Time: http://www.nonvedolora.it/gnomonica/immagini/its/bresso5.JPG
ciao Fabio
Fabio Savian
fabio.sav...@nonvedolora.it
Paderno Dugnano, Milan, Italy
45° 34' 10'' N 9° 10' 9'' E
GMT +1 (DST +2)---
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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] Im
Auftrag von Frank King
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. März 2010 12:05
An: Chuck Nafziger
Cc: Sundial List
Betreff: Re: DST Misconceptions
Dear Chuck,
Your message was very useful ther
Dear Chuck,
Your message was very useful therapy for me.
[You should charge a fee :-) ]
> I ... conclude that DST is ... unnecessary
> ... for people who are capable of ...
> modifying their morning alarm clock.
It is so much easier to change one alarm
clock than to change all the other clocks:
It seems to me that several of the arguments used against DST work against
the whole concept of standard time.
Why would New York need to set the clock differently from the clock in
California?
"If people want to get up earlier to take advantage of the sunlight, they
can do that without the gove
I live at about latitude 48 N. where a one hour time change is insufficient to
make use of the changing sunrise. I have been at several jobs where the shop
workers were capable of changing their shop hours so they would get to work
shortly after sunrise during the summer so they could enjoy al
m] On Behalf Of Aimo Niemi
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:20 AM
To: Chuck Nafziger
Cc: John Carmichael; sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
Hi
2010/3/16 Chuck Nafziger
Perhaps it is better explained this way, as a wise old Arizona Indian chief
once said when daylight sa
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>> > From: jlcarmich...@comcast.net
>> > To: illustratingshad...@yahoo.com; sundial@uni-koeln.de;
>> frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk
>> > Subject: RE: DST Misconceptions
>> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:1
com; sundial@uni-koeln.de;
> frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk
> > Subject: RE: DST Misconceptions
> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:11:02 -0700
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> > I also heard of a study last year that concluded that DST caused heart
> > attacks!
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&g
anket."
> From: jlcarmich...@comcast.net
> To: illustratingshad...@yahoo.com; sundial@uni-koeln.de;
> frank.k...@cl.cam.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: DST Misconceptions
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:11:02 -0700
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> I also heard of a study last year that conclud
gards
Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Frank King
To: kool...@dickkoolish.com
Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
Dear Dick,
> In Boston, the summer solstice sunrise
> is at 5:08 AM. That's two hours before
> I
Dear Dick,
> In Boston, the summer solstice sunrise
> is at 5:08 AM. That's two hours before
> I'm even thinking about getting up. :-)
OK. Suppose I broke into your apartment
while you were asleep and advanced all
your clocks so they said 7:08AM. Would
you think about getting up then?
That's
Hi Dick:
Yes, Both Rachel and the author of the book about DST like it, without
any of the official reasons given for it.
They both agree it does tend to cause people to spend more money.
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
kool...@dickkoolish.com wrote:
> Even if the myths are buste
Even if the myths are busted, some people
still like it. Most of our lives are not
symmetrical around noon, but are biased
to the afternoon and evenings, so having
more daylight then is a better match for our
daily activities. In Boston, the summer solstice
sunrise is at 5:08 AM. That's two hour
Hi:
Here's a video that busts the myths surrounding the benefits of DST.
Rachel Maddow- Daylight-saving time explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48Mg0dl4Gw
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
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: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de]
> On
> Behalf Of Simon [illustratingshadows
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:29 AM
> To: 'Sundial Mailing List'; Frank King
> Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
>
> My understanding, not having followed this thread, i
27;; Frank King
Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
My understanding, not having followed this thread, is that at best there is
a believed savings of energy to the order of 1%. I have no idea if that is
statistically valid. I am also told that the shift from standard to daylight
time causes some 263 traf
, Arizona, W112.1 N33.5
--- On Mon, 3/15/10, Frank King wrote:
> From: Frank King
> Subject: Re: DST Misconceptions
> To: "'Sundial Mailing List'"
> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 4:10 AM
> Dear John and Jack,
>
> Reading about the benefits of Da
Dear John and Jack,
Reading about the benefits of Daylight Saving
Time always reminds me of Betrand Russell's
remark:
If you make a single false assumption you
can prove anything.
Daylight Saving Time is just a legislative
trick to get people out of bed an hour early
by telling lies about th
but disrupting people's sleep just enough to make people ask
questions. I am probably being optimistic here but it cannot hurt
Thad
--- On Sun, 3/14/10, Jack Aubert wrote:
From: Jack Aubert
Subject: RE: DST Misconceptions
To: "'John Carmichael'" , "'Su
How about the misconception that it saves energy. I have never seen any
serious scientific study that supports that theory which is implausible
given energy use patterns in the 21st century.
Jack
From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On
Behalf Of John
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