Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-11 Thread Ralph Fox
On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 20:37:41 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Ralph Fox wrote: > >> Even if the recipient does have Wingdings, the recipient can still see >> a "J" like the OP did. >> >> * The Unicode value for "J" is 74 (U+004A). >> * But the Wingdings font's smiley face has a different _Uni

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-10 Thread Ray_Net
Daniel wrote on 10-12-16 10:14: On 10/12/2016 9:20 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 09-12-16 22:16: David E. Ross wrote: It would be definitely wrong -- a major deviation from the commitment to adhere to standards -- for any Mozilla-based application to render 0x004A as anything

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-10 Thread Daniel
On 10/12/2016 9:20 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 09-12-16 22:16: David E. Ross wrote: It would be definitely wrong -- a major deviation from the commitment to adhere to standards -- for any Mozilla-based application to render 0x004A as anything other than J. In an HTML page (

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Ralph Fox wrote: Even if the recipient does have Wingdings, the recipient can still see a "J" like the OP did. * The Unicode value for "J" is 74 (U+004A). * But the Wingdings font's smiley face has a different _Unicode_ value 61514 (U+F04A) in the Wingdings font's cmap. A program us

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Richmond wrote: "Paul B. Gallagher" writes: True enough. But there are hundreds of sites where you can download and install Wingdings for free. It's not hard. And given the prevalence of Windows and the popularity of Wingdings, it's a reasonable thing for an end user to do. When you say "fo

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Ralph Fox
On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 17:56:59 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Richmond wrote: > >> You cannot do that if you don't have the Microsoft Wingdings font >> (because you aren't using Microsoft). The OP is running Windows 7. It is highly likely that the OP does have the Wingdings font installed. >

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Richmond
"Paul B. Gallagher" writes: > True enough. But there are hundreds of sites where you can download > and install Wingdings for free. It's not hard. And given the > prevalence of Windows and the popularity of Wingdings, it's a > reasonable thing for an end user to do. > When you say "for free" do

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Richmond wrote: "Paul B. Gallagher" writes: In an HTML page (or an HTML email), if the sender specifies the font Wingdings and sends the character "J," SeaMonkey should do as it's told and display the Wingdings glyph for that character point. That wouldn't be a violation, would it? You cann

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Richmond
"Paul B. Gallagher" writes: > > In an HTML page (or an HTML email), if the sender specifies the font > Wingdings and sends the character "J," SeaMonkey should do as it's > told and display the Wingdings glyph for that character point. That > wouldn't be a violation, would it? > You cannot do tha

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Ray_Net
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 09-12-16 22:16: David E. Ross wrote: It would be definitely wrong -- a major deviation from the commitment to adhere to standards -- for any Mozilla-based application to render 0x004A as anything other than J. In an HTML page (or an HTML email), if the sender specif

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
David E. Ross wrote: It would be definitely wrong -- a major deviation from the commitment to adhere to standards -- for any Mozilla-based application to render 0x004A as anything other than J. In an HTML page (or an HTML email), if the sender specifies the font Wingdings and sends the charac

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread David E. Ross
On 12/9/2016 7:50 AM, Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 09-12-16 11:03: >> "David E. Ross" writes: >> >>> I assert that it is the sender's reponsibility to ensure that sent >>> messages can be correctly viewed by the intended recipients. This is >> But while we are waiting for the ideal world, w

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Richmond
Ray_Net writes: > Richmond wrote on 09-12-16 11:03: >> "David E. Ross" writes: >> >>> I assert that it is the sender's reponsibility to ensure that sent >>> messages can be correctly viewed by the intended recipients. This is >> But while we are waiting for the ideal world, we have to be >> pra

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Ray_Net
Richmond wrote on 09-12-16 11:03: "David E. Ross" writes: I assert that it is the sender's reponsibility to ensure that sent messages can be correctly viewed by the intended recipients. This is But while we are waiting for the ideal world, we have to be pragmatic. Senders with MS Office don'

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Richmond
Ant writes: > Thanks, but it didn't work for me. I tried > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/smiley-fixer/versions/ and > force an install with its reboot. It didn't work. :( Did it work for anyone > else in SM v2.40? It seems to work for me with Aurora, I have not yet tried 2.40.

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Richmond
"David E. Ross" writes: > > I assert that it is the sender's reponsibility to ensure that sent > messages can be correctly viewed by the intended recipients. This is But while we are waiting for the ideal world, we have to be pragmatic. Senders with MS Office don't know what they are doing typi

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-09 Thread Richmond
Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@xn--kba.invalid> writes: > You must set the font for the J or L to be Wingdings, which means the > message may need to be HTML. > My SM doesn't let me select Wingdings in the HTML compose window.  > But I can insert the required HTML code using "Insert >> HTML...". > > HTML code

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-08 Thread Ralph Fox
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:03:36 -0800, David E. Ross wrote: On 12/8/2016 3:42 PM, Ralph Fox wrote: On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 11:06:24 +, Richmond wrote: Ant writes: Smiley Fixer looks like a likely candidate. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/smiley-fixer/ Thanks, but it didn't wo

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-08 Thread David E. Ross
On 12/8/2016 3:42 PM, Ralph Fox wrote: > On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 11:06:24 +, Richmond wrote: >> Ant writes: Smiley Fixer looks like a likely candidate. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/smiley-fixer/ >>> Thanks, but it didn't work for me. I tried >>> https://addons.mozil

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-08 Thread Ralph Fox
On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 11:06:24 +, Richmond wrote: Ant writes: Smiley Fixer looks like a likely candidate. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/smiley-fixer/ Thanks, but it didn't work for me. I tried http

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-08 Thread Richmond
Ant writes: >> >> Smiley Fixer looks like a likely candidate. >> >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/smiley-fixer/ > > Thanks, but it didn't work for me. I tried > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/smiley-fixer/versions/ and > force an install with its reboot. It

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-08 Thread Ant
On 12/8/2016 1:16 AM, Richmond wrote: Perhaps there is a Thunderbird add-on for this, as Richmond has replied. But the closest I could find was this Firefox add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/web-page-fixer/ Details The sender is using HTML to set the font to Wingdings for

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-08 Thread Ant
On 12/8/2016 1:00 AM, Ralph Fox wrote: ... Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? Thank you in advance. :) [old school 1 line ASCII arts FTW :P] It is not an ASCII emoticon like ":)" is. It is a single character in the Wing

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-08 Thread Richmond
Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@xn--kba.invalid> writes: > Perhaps there is a Thunderbird add-on for this, as Richmond has > replied.  But the closest I could find was this Firefox add-on: > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/web-page-fixer/ > > Details > The sender is using HTML to set the font to

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-08 Thread Ralph Fox
On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:56:23 -0800, Ant wrote: Subject: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face? Hello. Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client?

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread Ant
On 12/7/2016 5:39 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote: Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Message Display ... Plain text messages ... X Display emoticons as graphics Also I think you need the "-" :-P not :P Ah, there it is. However, my "Display emoticons as graphics" option is already checke

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread Jonathan N. Little
Ant wrote: > On 12/7/2016 12:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote: > >>> Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly >>> in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? >> >> See if you can find something in SeaMonkey similar to what I have in >> Thunderbird. After all, they both use a com

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread Ant
On 12/7/2016 12:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote: Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? See if you can find something in SeaMonkey similar to what I have in Thunderbird. After all, they both use a common MailNews core. In Thund

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread Ant
On 12/7/2016 1:29 PM, David E. Ross wrote: Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? I have the same problem. A friend using X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Send me mails where he insert a smiling face ... But SM see

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread Richmond
Ant writes: > Hello. > > Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly in > SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? > > Thank you in advance. :) [old school 1 line ASCII arts FTW :P] There is a thunderbird add on for that. Unfortunately I cannot remember what it's called. But

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread David E. Ross
On 12/7/2016 12:45 PM, Ray_Net wrote: > Ant wrote on 07-12-16 20:56: >> Hello. >> >> Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) >> correctly in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? >> > I have the same problem. > A friend using > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 > > Send

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread Ray_Net
Ant wrote on 07-12-16 20:56: Hello. Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? I have the same problem. A friend using X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Send me mails where he insert a smiling face ... But SM see only

Re: "J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread David E. Ross
On 12/7/2016 11:56 AM, Ant wrote: > Hello. > > Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly > in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? > > Thank you in advance. :) [old school 1 line ASCII arts FTW :P] > See if you can find something in SeaMonkey similar to what I have i

"J" instead of Outlook's happy face?

2016-12-07 Thread Ant
Hello. Is there something I need to show these emoticons (not emojis) correctly in SeaMonkey v2.40's e-mail client? Thank you in advance. :) [old school 1 line ASCII arts FTW :P] -- "Oh bother", said Winnie the Pooh, "There's an ant on my foot..." Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace,