Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-06 Thread umashankar manthravadi
their excuse is, they want to run it on two AA cells, and last ten hours. Umashankar > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:24:38 + > From: f...@linuxaudio.org > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:09:26PM +

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-06 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:09:26PM +, Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: > > I found this website comparing signal to noise on a lot of recording devices: > http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm > Seems they have at least used the same equipment to measure all the devices. Interesting. And it confirm

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-06 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
Of John Leonard Main Sent: den 6 november 2013 10:11 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic Not arguing with the figures, just stating empirical findings. Will see if I can find details of the two machines at some point. Ditched one manufacturer because

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-06 Thread John Leonard Main
Not arguing with the figures, just stating empirical findings. Will see if I can find details of the two machines at some point. Ditched one manufacturer because of poor quality control, so may just have been unlucky. John Sent from my iPad > On 5 Nov 2013, at 22:41, Fons Adriaensen wrote: >

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 10:20:35PM +, John Leonard wrote: > Hmm, not what I've found: I mean, really not what I've found. No point in discussing basic physics, a self noise of 19 dB(A) and a sensitivity of 7 mv/Pa amount to -116 dBm(A) at the input of the preamp. Unless I botched up the the c

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread John Leonard
Hmm, not what I've found: I mean, really not what I've found. Sorry to disagree, but I've tried a number of systems and have found that the low-cost recorders that I've used, un-modded, have had unacceptable noise levels when cranked up. Regards, John On 5 Nov 2013, at 21:45, Fons Adriaensen

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 03:16:42PM +, John Leonard wrote: > It's not so much the microphone, but what you connect it to: > because of the relatively low sensitivity, you really need > a low-noise pre-amp. Using the specs provided by Core Sound: Self noise: 19 dB(A) Sensitiviy: 7 mv/Pa a pr

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread John Abram
On 5 November 2013 14:03, Peter Lennox wrote: > what sort of mind-bending effects? > Dr Peter Lennox > For example, virtually rotating the mic while placed over a piano, also to some degree zooming in and out. Most clients don't want that on their recordings, but John Oswald recorded Gordon Mona

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 05 November 2013 21:41 +0100 David Worrall wrote: John or me? - I'm sending it straight to a Tascam DR-640. David On 05/11/2013, at 4:30 PM, Moritz Fehr wrote: Hi all, what other preamps (portable?) are you using with your TetraMic ? I have tested it with a Motu Traveler which is not

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread Peter Lennox
...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2013 21:01 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic On 5 November 2013 08:30, Moritz Fehr wrote: > Hi all, > > what other preamps (portable?) are you using with your TetraMic ? I have > tested it with a Motu Trave

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread John Abram
On 5 November 2013 08:30, Moritz Fehr wrote: > Hi all, > > what other preamps (portable?) are you using with your TetraMic ? I have > tested it with a Motu Traveler which is not bad, and an Edirol R44, which > is quite noisy. > > Regards > Moritz > I use a first generation MOTU Traveler with the

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread David Worrall
Hi Moritz, John or me? - I'm sending it straight to a Tascam DR-640. David On 05/11/2013, at 4:30 PM, Moritz Fehr wrote: > Hi all, > > what other preamps (portable?) are you using with your TetraMic ? I have > tested it with a Motu Traveler which is not bad, and an Edirol R44, which is > quit

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread John Leonard
Mind you, I have a lovely recording of the Dambusters memorial fly-past that was ruined both by a BBC news crew in a helicopter, but also by some very cross Canada Geese. Very spectacular in surround if you need a Lancaster Bomber, mixed with a helicopter and geese, all from a variety of differe

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread Michael Chapman
> Hi, > > The main problem in the UK is getting away from ambient noise > (traffic, aircraft, people, barking dogs, wind in trees & grass, rain > and other water etc.). Then there's still a residual of Brownian air > motion from everywhere. Apart from frogs if you're patient (or > possibly bees or

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread Dave Hunt
Hi, From: John Leonard Date: 5 November 2013 15:16:42 GMT And of course, Australian nature is a damned site louder that the English variety... On 5 Nov 2013, at 07:57, David Worrall wrote: I've used the TetraMic almost exclusively for outdoor 'nature' recordings, including much at dea

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread Moritz Fehr
Hi all, what other preamps (portable?) are you using with your TetraMic ? I have tested it with a Motu Traveler which is not bad, and an Edirol R44, which is quite noisy. Regards Moritz Am 05.11.2013 um 16:16 schrieb John Leonard : > It's not so much the microphone, but what you connect it t

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-05 Thread John Leonard
It's not so much the microphone, but what you connect it to: because of the relatively low sensitivity, you really need a low-noise pre-amp. I use a Metric Halo ULN-8, which works extremely well with the TetraMic. The ST450 outputs at line level, so mic pre-amps are not an issue. And of course,

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-04 Thread David Worrall
I've used the TetraMic almost exclusively for outdoor 'nature' recordings, including much at dead-of-night. I've never had a real problem w. noise from the mic, (in reality, nature very noisy) - my problems have almost all been with RF and I would love a balanced solution. David On 05/11/2013,

[Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-04 Thread Richard Lee
Just a short note about noise. While the ST450 is slightly quieter than TetraMic, in practice, TetraMic noise has never been a problem when Recording Music .. even in very quiet studios. Paul Hodges recorded his son in the Warehouse, a well known studio in London, so you can judge for yourself

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-04 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 11/04/2013 05:29 AM, Len Moskowitz wrote: Jörn wrote: now if somebody made an analog tetramic-to-CAT5 interface like the insta-snake, small box about the size of the handle of an sm58, one end with 6pin mini-xlr and maybe a rubber gasket to hold the tetramic, four balancing transformers/ppas

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-03 Thread Len Moskowitz
Jörn wrote: now if somebody made an analog tetramic-to-CAT5 interface like the insta-snake, small box about the size of the handle of an sm58, one end with 6pin mini-xlr and maybe a rubber gasket to hold the tetramic, four balancing transformers/ppas to match the twisted pair, and a nice etherco

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-03 Thread umashankar manthravadi
, but I will put up my calibration system photos somewhere and provide a link umashankar > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:52:15 -0500 > From: palme...@mymail.vcu.edu > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic > > umashankar, if the kickstarter happen

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
umashankar, if the kickstarter happens to not reach its goal (though it's boding well now), can the people still buy mics at that price? also i just read your comparisons on the kickstarter page, thats what i was looking for, thank you On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Matthew Palmer wrote: > I'm

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
I'm hoping for a demo model quite soon, at which point I'll be able to do comparisons. >> I think a lot of us would appreciate a comprehensive comparison between the TetraMic & the Brahma. On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:08 AM, len moskowitz wrote: > Laurent, > > You can find many user comments about

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-03 Thread Dave Malham
Nope - at least on earlier units one ppl wouldn't really provide enough current and in any case you need all four to provide unbalanced to balanced conversions. Dave On 3 November 2013 13:08, Michael Chapman wrote: > > --On 03 November 2013 09:06 + Michael Chapman > > wrote: > > > >> T

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-03 Thread Michael Chapman
> --On 03 November 2013 09:06 + Michael Chapman > wrote: > >> The PP units invert the signal. > > My understanding is that the early ones did, but the later ones are > different and do not. > Paul Hodges Does that mean you can get away with only one (With CAT-5 there is only one 48V wi

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-03 Thread Michael Chapman
A CAT-5 socket (in an XLR housing) on umashankar's Zoom is an interesting possibility ... Michael ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-03 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 11/02/2013 08:51 PM, Michael Chapman wrote: PS The wonders of recording with fifty metres of CAT-5 lead have to be experienced !!! absolutely. we just used an eigenmike (2nd version, with the handle) off of a 75m cat6 lead, and it was very convenient. i flew it upside-down on the neutrik

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-03 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 03 November 2013 09:06 + Michael Chapman wrote: The PP units invert the signal. My understanding is that the early ones did, but the later ones are different and do not. Paul -- Paul Hodges ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-03 Thread Michael Chapman
> On 11/02/2013 08:51 PM, Michael Chapman wrote: > >> PS The wonders of recording with fifty metres of CAT-5 lead have to be >> experienced !!! > > absolutely. we just used an eigenmike (2nd version, with the handle) off > of a 75m cat6 lead, and it was very convenient. i flew it upside-down on > t

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-02 Thread len moskowitz
Laurent, You can find many user comments about TetraMic on our User Comments web page: http://core-sound.com/TetraMic/11.php Len Moskowitz (mosko...@core-sound.com) Core Sound LLC www.core-sound.com Home of TetraMic ___ Sursound mailing list

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-02 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 08:51:24PM +, John Leonard wrote: > Having been through most of the available tetrahedral arrays, > I now only have the two: a TetraMic, which I use mainly for > indoor music work, at which it excels, Confirmed. I wonder if anyone ever tried a Tetramic at the focal

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-02 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 11:13:57AM -0700, Eric Carmichel wrote: > It might be fair to state (if this is true) that Ambisonic mics, > in general, tend to be noisier because the noise of four capsules > is additive. That is, noise isn't averaged or subtracted as with > correlation measures made with

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-02 Thread John Leonard
Just to echo the others, really. The TetraMic has its faults, but at the price, it can't be beaten, although it looks as though the Brahma (prices are on the Kickstarter site, Eric C) will run it close. I'm hoping for a demo model quite soon, at which point I'll be able to do comparisons. Havin

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-02 Thread Michael Chapman
> > > Eric C's two cents worth: > I suppose the flimsy connectors are needed to keep size small? Something > like the Game Boy connector (later to be used as FireWire connect) might > be more rugged, but not circular (thus making it more difficult to machine > the mic's body). One does have to

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound TetraMic

2013-11-02 Thread Eric Carmichel
Greetings, RE **I am in the process of acquiring a Surround Mic. Ideally with the Ambisonic technology. Has anyone ever used the Core Sound Tetramic and if so, could you provide a evaluation. Thank you. **Laurent **if you can live with flimsy connectors and four separate phantom power adapter

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-01 Thread umashankar manthravadi
ic.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic > > On 11/01/2013 08:05 PM, Laurent Wermenlinger wrote: > > I am in the process of acquiring a Surround Mic. Ideally with the > > Ambisonic technology. Has anyone ever used the Core Sound Tetramic > > and if so, could

Re: [Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-01 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 11/01/2013 08:05 PM, Laurent Wermenlinger wrote: I am in the process of acquiring a Surround Mic. Ideally with the Ambisonic technology. Has anyone ever used the Core Sound Tetramic and if so, could you provide a evaluation. Thank you. if you can live with flimsy connectors and four separate

[Sursound] Core Sound Tetramic

2013-11-01 Thread Laurent Wermenlinger
I am in the process of acquiring a Surround Mic. Ideally with the Ambisonic technology. Has anyone ever used the Core Sound Tetramic and if so, could you provide a evaluation. Thank you. Laurent -- next part -- An HTML attachment