[biofuels-biz] Re: [Biodiesel] Re: [wastewatts] Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread steve spence
presumably electric is cheaper than ethanol. you might want to drop terry a note asking him about that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered

[biofuels-biz] Biodiesel bumpersticker?

2002-05-12 Thread craig reece
Anyone know where to buy some? Thanks, Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM

[biofuels-biz] Re: [3rdworldenergy] Re: Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread steve spence
Ya got it all wrong, Mike. I've never made any claims about earthquakes or flame colors. Looks like the laugh is on you. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered

[biofuels-biz] [Biodiesel] Re: [wastewatts] Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: presumably electric is cheaper than ethanol. you might want to drop terry a note asking him about that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're right. Electricity is cheaper, safer and more convenient as an energy source in a fixed

[biofuels-biz] Re: Ethanol fuel issues

2002-05-12 Thread manickh
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], manickh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have brewed ethanol at almost theoretical yields (Gay-Lussac), without using cultures, repeatedly in batch systems, and also distilled these batches into 90% spirit

[biofuel] Yahoo ploy

2002-05-12 Thread motie_d
-- I found out about another Yahoo ploy to track our web habits and Yahoo has already placed a web beacon on our computer for those of us who are signed up with Yahoo. Yahoo is using the web beacon to track you around the net see what you are doing. If you want

[biofuel] Cellulosic ethanol

2002-05-12 Thread MH
Substantial reductions in ethanol production costs may be made possible by replacing corn with less expensive cellulose-based feedstocks. Cellulosic feedstocks include agricultural wastes, grasses and woods, and other low-value biomass such as municipal waste. Although cellulosic materials

Re: [biofuel] Cellulosic ethanol

2002-05-12 Thread Curtis Sakima
I like that!! Now that's a RESPONSIBLE way of taking care of our earthly home. Taking the crap end of industrial processes ... and finding a way to loop it back into the mouth-end. So that junk in the landfill suddenly gets looked upon a gold mine ... then having our profit-driven businesses

[biofuel] Energy requirement

2002-05-12 Thread milliontc
I was talking to a knowledgeable bloke yesterday about the design of a 1,000 litre batch BioD plant and he reckoned that to get all the water out of the WVO in preparation for processing you would need at least 50kw power and that the most practical form of heat transfere is steam. Any

[biofuel] Re: [Biodiesel] Re: [wastewatts] Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread steve spence
presumably electric is cheaper than ethanol. you might want to drop terry a note asking him about that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered

[biofuel] Solar

2002-05-12 Thread Martin Klingensmith
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: gassercoupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 07:38:10 - Subject: [hobbicast] Re: Mother Earth Solar Collector Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, time for my 2 cents on solar. To make a solar only system work you need a really big energy

Re: [biofuel] GET 113 To 138 MPG.

2002-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 11 May 2002 18:34:46 -0600, you wrote: Vapor carburetors were a popular item 25 or more years ago. I didn't look at the technology on his page more than one link, so thanks for the explanation. The actual vaporization was done by an ultrasonic transducer and didn't require the

Re: [biofuel] GET 113 To 138 MPG.

2002-05-12 Thread Martin Klingensmith
I wouldn't bet on his plan being anything real. I'm not really sure how he claims that this works on fuel injected, carbeurated, diesel [probably DI and IDI]. I AM willing to bet that he keeps throwing this patent at real-world companies who just tell him been there done that, too complicated,

[biofuel] A different spark plug approach

2002-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Something I lost money on years ago investing in it, but the product persisted with the main technologist behind it, and for all I know it could raise mileage and-or power of those who might want to try it in some engines. Might invalidate a warranty though. www.directhits.com

Re: [biofuel] Yahoo ploy

2002-05-12 Thread Shukrainternationals
Thanks. I did opt out. - Original Message - From: motie_d To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: [biofuel] Yahoo ploy -- I found out about another Yahoo ploy to track our web habits and Yahoo has

Re: [biofuel] A different spark plug approach

2002-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 12 May 2002 13:03:11 -0400, you wrote: This is the reason I use platinum plugs from Bosch. This one at least has some science behind it. One of the first upgrades done to the original beetle when I got one was a blue coil, electronic ignition, and platinum plugs. was good for 5mpg or

Re: [biofuel] Yahoo ploy

2002-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks. Much appreciated. On Sun, 12 May 2002 04:34:24 -, you wrote: -- I found out about another Yahoo ploy to track our web habits and Yahoo has already placed a web beacon on our computer for those of us who are signed up with Yahoo. Yahoo is using the

[biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker?

2002-05-12 Thread craig reece
Anyone know where to buy some? Thanks, Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM

[biofuel] Re: [livingoffthegrid] Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread steve spence
check this out: http://www.motionsoftware.com/dyno2000prodpage.htm The Dyno2000T (available from Motion Software and the Mr. Gasket Performance Group) is an all-new, state-of-the-art engine simulation for Windows95/98/Me or Windows2000/XP from the experts at Motion Software (check out customer

RE: [biofuel] Solar

2002-05-12 Thread kirk
Original was built in Israel 25 or so years ago. Researcher was Dr Harry Tabor. A lot was published in ISES about it if you want to know more. Salt gradually diffuses so you constantly concentrate brine and reinject if you want continuous operation. I toyed with the idea of multiple layers of

RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker?

2002-05-12 Thread Ryan Morgan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Email this guy, he has a few to choose from. Cheers, Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: craig reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:57 AM To: Biodiesel; Biofuel; Biofuels-Biz Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker? Anyone know

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel bumpersticker?

2002-05-12 Thread craig reece
Thanks! Craig Ryan Morgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email this guy, he has a few to choose from. Cheers, Ryan Morgan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: craig reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:57 AM To: Biodiesel; Biofuel; Biofuels-Biz Subject:

Re: [biofuel] Solar

2002-05-12 Thread Appal Energy
Have 'em printed. Probably cost you less than 25 cents each. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Solar Original was built in Israel 25 or so years ago. Researcher was

[biofuel] Re: [3rdworldenergy] Re: Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread steve spence
Ya got it all wrong, Mike. I've never made any claims about earthquakes or flame colors. Looks like the laugh is on you. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered

Re: [biofuel] Re: Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread greg
yellow flames have a highter CO2 content. the army told me this when i was a cook. greg - Original Message - From: Mike Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wastewatts [EMAIL PROTECTED]; vegoil-diesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sustainablenrg

Re: [biofuel] Re: Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread steve spence
not enough oxygen, at least. however, Mike got his quotations mixed up anyway. ascribing someone else's post to me. Sounds like he is the goofball. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages -

Re: [biofuel] Solar

2002-05-12 Thread Curtis Sakima
Now THAT is cool!! Now all they gotta do is use that energy to power an ethanol refinery next door. Curtis --- Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What they have done is build a very large swimming pool, about 4 meters deep with a lot of pipes across the bottom. The pool is filled

Re: [biofuel] Re: Making Ethanol Fuel

2002-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I rest my case that the AE goof balls need to be a bit less goofy and a bit more practical. I can't argue with the fact that we can always work harder to improve our knowledge of the technologies we discuss. That said, I doubt Steve is always so off the mark as you suggest. Because it is

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cellulosic ethanol

2002-05-12 Thread Curtis Sakima
Gosh ... the more I read on ... it seems sometimes that government and Big-Corporate are only (merely) two divisions of the same parent company sigh. Curtis --- motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of us are trying, but Politics has gotten in the way. The 'Big Guys' are blocking

RE: [biofuel] Digest Number 945

2002-05-12 Thread Jeremy Shuey
http://home.netscape.com/ex/shak/autos/specials/Ethanol1.html È Feature Article Sunday - May 12, 2002 The Ethanol Subsidy: Your Tax Dollars at Work Using the shibboleth of promoting renewable energy sources, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and other Democratic bigwigs are about to dole

Re: [biofuel] Cellulosic ethanol

2002-05-12 Thread MH
I like that!! Now that's a RESPONSIBLE way of taking care of our earthly home. Taking the crap end of industrial processes ... and finding a way to loop it back into the mouth-end. So that junk in the landfill suddenly gets looked upon a gold mine ... then having our profit-driven

Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 945

2002-05-12 Thread steve spence
I'm no friend of ADM. however, The alternative is OPEC. long live the alternative fuel subsidies. it's just leveling the playing field. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human

Re: [biofuel] Cellulosic ethanol

2002-05-12 Thread MH
From a prior post http://ens-news.com/ens/apr2002/2002L-04-05-01.html Environment News Service: Canada Moves Towards Cleaner Motor Transport Mentions several things including the recognition by the Canandian Environmental Protection Act 1999 declaring benzene and acrolein toxic.

Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol

2002-05-12 Thread MH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] What is AMETHEX? AMETHEX is an acronym for American Ethanol Exchange and is a transaction-based real-time Internet Trading Platform focused on the global ethanol and alcohols industry. http://www.amethex.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [biofuel] Price of Ethanol

2002-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thx. This is close because a person can register, which I did, and get access to data. But it is not transparent, free, widely available pricing information which as we all know is easily had on all the main fossil fuels by checking any commodity news. I went to see the Sunday Papers today and