Re: [biofuel] 'Sin-covering Eye'

2002-10-05 Thread Kim & Garth Travis
If I may add a comment Just because this list is in English, does not mean we all speak the same dialect. I have run into this problem more in person, than in writing, but it does exist. What is a harmless comment in geographical area is an insult in another. I learned this one the har

Re: [biofuel] 'Sin-covering Eye'

2002-10-05 Thread Keith Addison
There are members here from a hundred countries or more, and we're pretty good at forgetting that. The non-native English speakers and the non-Westerners make a lot less noise than the English-speaking Westerners, but they're no less important. I may be the list owner, but contrary to what som

Re: [biofuel] Re: The Debate Over Diesel

2002-10-05 Thread Steve Spence
they should be here talking about their process. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Michael S Briggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thur

Re: [biofuel] Re: The Debate Over Diesel

2002-10-05 Thread Steve Spence
I have 40 acres, 20 of which is tillable fields. I'm considering starting a co-op, intentional community for biofuels and sustainable agriculture. If anyone is interested in upstate NY, drop me a line. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Susta

Re: [biofuel] Re: The Debate Over Diesel

2002-10-05 Thread murdoch
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:05:12 -0400, you wrote: >I have 40 acres, 20 of which is tillable fields. I'm considering starting a >co-op, intentional community for biofuels and sustainable agriculture. If >anyone is interested in upstate NY, drop me a line. Approx. where in upstate NY? I have a friend

[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

2002-10-05 Thread keith
Here is a communication from World Energy about government actions against one of the few biodiesel producers in the Northeast. Be forwarned. Snip> We run into a lot of small producers who are trying to do the right thing, but I would be remiss if I did not warn about the severity of cutting corn

[biofuel] cars in the developing world

2002-10-05 Thread Daniel Hale
Hello, I'm new to this list and to biodiesel in general--I read about biodiesel in last week's Seattle Times, where Mike Pelly and his amazing gizmo was profiled. I always liked diesels, especially the new ones, but biodiesel is great, much better, more liberating than any alternative fuel I

[biofuel] Mike Pelly biodiesel story in Seattle Times

2002-10-05 Thread Keith Addison
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134545408_biodiesel30.html The Seattle Times: Local News: Cooking oil can fuel the car after it helps feed the driver Monday, September 30, 2002 - 04:19 p.m. Pacific Cooking oil can fuel the car after it helps feed the driver By John Wolfson Seatt

Re: [biofuel] cars in the developing world

2002-10-05 Thread Party of Citizens
I think the developing world would be better off to MINIMIZE its use of cars and avoid the carnage and cost here. I read a UN article on India ca. 1990 which called it "a nation of villages". If they could perfect the village as a habitat and then perfect inter-village transportation other than by

Re: [biofuel] cars in the developing world

2002-10-05 Thread Daniel Hale
No argument here. However, there is still a rolling stock of automobiles in developing nations, and I'd like to understand those cars better. Thanks Dan On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 04:38 PM, Party of Citizens wrote: > I think the developing world would be better off to MINIMIZE its use

Re: [biofuel] cars in the developing world

2002-10-05 Thread Keith Addison
>I think the developing world would be better off to MINIMIZE its use of >cars and avoid the carnage and cost here. I read a UN article on India ca. >1990 which called it "a nation of villages". If they could perfect the >village as a habitat and then perfect inter-village transportation other >th

Re: [biofuel] cars in the developing world

2002-10-05 Thread Daniel Hale
Keith, how does biodiesel compare to CNG, from an emissions standpoint? Has anyone projected, say, the 10-year emissions ROI (return on investment) in converting a diesel to CNG, and compared that to the ROI for running biodiesel unmodified? Thanks Dan On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 04:53

[biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

2002-10-05 Thread Ken Provost
per World Energy snippet: > >We just had a small producer in another state in a similar situation. >They own a number of diesel vehicles and have been using it for about >a year. They were just hit with a bill for $0.31/gallon State excise tax >plus penalties and interest for every gallon they h

Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

2002-10-05 Thread murdoch
This is good evidence that the present government, including the Bush-Cheney Administration, is not doing everything possible to address itself, with more *alacrity* and *earnestness*, to pressing energy issues. Either the producers of biofuels should be subject to the same rules as everyone else

Re: [biofuel] cars in the developing world

2002-10-05 Thread Keith Addison
>Keith, how does biodiesel compare to CNG, from an emissions standpoint? >Has anyone projected, say, the 10-year emissions ROI (return on >investment) in converting a diesel to CNG, and compared that to the ROI >for running biodiesel unmodified? > >Thanks >Dan Dan, you'll find a lot of info and r

[biofuel] Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-05 Thread coachgeo3
ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater run on veg oil or a veg oil blend? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM

[biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

2002-10-05 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ken >per World Energy snippet: > > > > > >We just had a small producer in another state in a similar situation. > >They own a number of diesel vehicles and have been using it for about > >a year. They were just hit with a bill for $0.31/gallon State excise tax > >plus penalties and interest fo

[biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel -Devils Advocate

2002-10-05 Thread coachgeo3
Being a Devils advocate here. Entering into the fuel market that is LOCKED up by the big guys takes some BIG KAHUNAS (sp?) and even bigger balls of money. s mayybee we should support A-Midland and not chastise them. Lets pushem into getting this thing rolling. After they break the mark

[biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel -Devils Advocate

2002-10-05 Thread Keith Addison
coachgeo3 wrote: >Being a Devils advocate here. > >Entering into the fuel market that is LOCKED up by the big guys takes >some BIG KAHUNAS (sp?) and even bigger balls of money. > >s mayybee we should support A-Midland and not chastise them. >Lets pushem into getting this thing rolling. After

Re: [biofuel] Mike Pelly biodiesel story in Seattle Times

2002-10-05 Thread murdoch
>Each week Pelly, Ozzy and Nied pick up used cooking oil, or "yellow >grease," from one of five restaurants in Olympia. They've tried to >find more sources, but many of the famous fast-food restaurants, >supermarkets and convenience stores you've heard of won't let them >have theirs. What do

Re: [biofuel] Re: Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel -Devils Advocate

2002-10-05 Thread murdoch
>the opposite. The real problem is to decentralize energy production >as much as possible to the local level. The big guys won't do that >either - that would be suicide for them. We'll do it though. We >already are. We're costing them millions of dollars a year already in >fuel they're not sel

[biofuels-biz] hi

2002-10-05 Thread Çetinkaya
Hi to every member of biofuels-biz, I'm Merve. Chemical engineer from Turkey. I started to work for a company who wants to keep its name as a secret and plans to produce biodiesel in the coming years. It will be a large scale factory, but we want to find a fundation, allocation any kind of fi

Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel

2002-10-05 Thread Tilapia
Here is a communication from World Energy about government actions against one of the few biodiesel producers in the Northeast. Be forwarned. Snip> We run into a lot of small producers who are trying to do the right thing, but I would be remiss if I did not warn about the severity of cutting co

Re: [biofuels-biz] hi

2002-10-05 Thread murdoch
On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 08:44:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >Hi to every member of biofuels-biz, > >I'm Merve. Chemical engineer from Turkey. I started to work for a company who >wants to keep its name as a secret and plans to produce biodiesel in the >coming years. It will be a large scale factory,

[biofuels-biz] Mike Pelly biodiesel story in Seattle Times

2002-10-05 Thread Keith Addison
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134545408_biodiesel30.html The Seattle Times: Local News: Cooking oil can fuel the car after it helps feed the driver Monday, September 30, 2002 - 04:19 p.m. Pacific Cooking oil can fuel the car after it helps feed the driver By John Wolfson Seatt

Re: [biofuels-biz] hi

2002-10-05 Thread Keith Addison
>Hi to every member of biofuels-biz, > >I'm Merve. Chemical engineer from Turkey. I started to work for a >company who wants to keep its name as a secret and plans to produce >biodiesel in the coming years. It will be a large scale factory, but >we want to find a fundation, allocation any kind

Re: [biofuels-biz] Mike Pelly biodiesel story in Seattle Times

2002-10-05 Thread murdoch
I really liked this article. On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 08:33:58 +0900, you wrote: >http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134545408_biodiesel30.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/9b

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Mike Pelly biodiesel story in Seattle Times

2002-10-05 Thread murdoch
>Each week Pelly, Ozzy and Nied pick up used cooking oil, or "yellow >grease," from one of five restaurants in Olympia. They've tried to >find more sources, but many of the famous fast-food restaurants, >supermarkets and convenience stores you've heard of won't let them >have theirs. What do