Re: [biofuels-biz] Peugeot takes it's diesel racing on biofuel

2003-06-20 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
From the French farmers union...one way or another, I suspect!!last I heard they get what they want or politicians get a lot of rotting food on their front lawns, Paris is filled with tractors and manure spreaders, turnip trucks drive REAL SLOW on highways, etc. We could all

Re: [biofuels-biz] Peugeot takes it's diesel racing on biofuel

2003-06-20 Thread David Teal
Paul, I recently visited a very large diester plant in Northern France. Their feedstock is 100% French grown rapeseed oil, processing flowchart is bog standard. Plant is alongside an oil extraction industry, whose output is 40% to food trade and 60% to diester. Fuel is shipped (by water

Re: [biofuels-biz] Peugeot takes it's diesel racing on biofuel

2003-06-20 Thread Kristen Stremlau

Re: [biofuels-biz] Peugeot takes it's diesel racing on biofuel

2003-06-20 Thread gobie
Thankyou David and Kirsten Paul, I recently visited a very large diester plant in Northern France. Their feedstock is 100% French grown rapeseed oil, processing flowchart is bog standard. Plant is alongside an oil extraction industry, whose output is 40% to food trade and 60% to diester. Fuel

Re: [biofuels-biz] Peugeot/Citroen/Jaguar/Ford V6 diesel.

2003-06-20 Thread gobie

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: fuel tanks

2003-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
Forwarded message, FYI: From: solar100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fuel tanks Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:06:45 -0400 Good morning: We have been studying the market for the vegetable fuel oil kits and it looks like there is a need for a reasonably priced fuel tank. We

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Organic Processor - Hydorgen Problems

2003-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:26:52 -0400 SUBJECT: Organic Processor - Hydorgen Problems Copied from one of my other newsgroups. Blake Chris Cosman wrote: My question is, since diesel fuel is heavier than gas is the HP/pound of fuel still about the

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Impeachment?

2003-06-20 Thread dcande01
Hi When Nixon was being accused of lying, way back when, My professor, a lawyer, went ballistic because, he said it isnt against the law to lie unless you are under oath. Bush, when he makes his speeches, or gives press conferences, is not sworn in first. He is allowed to lie (legally)

RE: [biofuel] WW2

2003-06-20 Thread BRANT LUCAS
Greg , That's an interesting concept. What type of engine or turban did they use ? Try a search on U-Boats. The site shows many classes and designs. I believe it was on this site that the fuel capacity was given for each class. Some boats took on twice as much H2O2 as diesel fuel. Or it was

Re: [biofuel] Gephardt Vows to End U.S. Foreign Oil Addiction

2003-06-20 Thread csakima
With the entrenched buddy-buddy system installed in this country ... I can't help but be leery. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gephardt Vows to End U.S. Foreign Oil Addiction

Re: [biofuel] Re: White House Influences EPA Report To Leave Out Comments On Climate Change

2003-06-20 Thread csakima
Awe Todd, Didn't you know we march around the globe ... carrying the (singing) Arm of God Truth and Right?? Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: appalenergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aww gee! Are you trying to tell me

[biofuel] Re: Reusing washing water

2003-06-20 Thread appalenergy
Worse still when reusing the wash water after treatment and filtering, residual MgSO4, NaCl or CaCl2 in the wash water will deposite the soap scum within the BD Regards Paul Gobert. The salts are under trial as a waste water pre-treatment prior to release into the environment as gray

[biofuel] Re: Thanks for the answers Tod. Here are some more questions.

2003-06-20 Thread girl_mark_fire
[esterification]? Durned good question. We've never tried esterification on 100% FFAs. Maria could probably tell you how high a FFA content she's seen processed at University of Idaho. Wow. I was driving around earlier this evening thinking about how I should ask todd if he's

[biofuel] Thanks Tod.

2003-06-20 Thread Pieter Koole
Thank you Tod. Sorry about my terrible English. Pieter Koole Netherlands. - Original Message - From: appalenergy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:23 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Thanks for the answers Tod. Here are some more questions. Peter,

Re: [biofuel] Some questions and perhaps an idea about BD

2003-06-20 Thread Pieter Koole
Pieter, looks like you didn't get much response to your questions. A lot of what you are asking about can be found at Journeytoforever.org, through the archives of this list, at the Mauri discussion list and many other sites around the net. Can anyone explain me, why the excess methanol

Re: [biofuel] Sparkling bio-diesel

2003-06-20 Thread mark schofield
Dear Paul As far as I understand, and I will have it out with them shortly, I have to test it for certification and then they also test periodically when ever they want. Further, they can also turn up on site at the drop of a hat and demand and take up to 6 years of production data, figures etc.

[biofuel] The scam artists at work. was: White House Influences EPA Report To Leave Out Comments On Climate Change

2003-06-20 Thread Hakan
It is two fairy tales that are famous and very telling. The first is the emperor's new cloths and the second one is how to make soup on a nail. The relevance that those fairy tales have to the current energy development, efficiency, planning and politics, are immense. The scam artists are

Re: [biofuel] McDonald's Tries To Phase Out Use of Antibiotics In Meat

2003-06-20 Thread Andrew Preston
Re: My standard is basically, if it didn't have a name, and I don't know who raised it, I'm a vegatarian. Bright Blessings, KIm Hi Kim When you say something doesn't have a name, what does that mean? Regards Andrew -- Andrew Preston http://www.fastmail.fm

Re: [biofuel] McDonald's Tries To Phase Out Use of Antibiotics In Meat

2003-06-20 Thread Kim Garth Travis
People who raise their own animals usually give it a name. Something like pork chop, t-bone or dinner for adults, snackettes for babies etc. Right now, in this part of Texas, the only people doing strictly grass fed are small producers. I only eat animals that have been raised naturally,

Re: [biofuel] Biogas technologies

2003-06-20 Thread pan ruti
Hello Eong and Keith addision Thank you for your keen interest about the more discussion of biogas here in yahoo biofuel group , which our small research group in Brasil also believes too have good green future , in addition to bio oil and bidiesel of real energy economy where as H2

Re: [biofuel] Thanks Tod.

2003-06-20 Thread Appal Energy
El gusto es mio. And not to worry. You're English is easier to understand than two thirds of the music out there. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:17 AM Subject: [biofuel] Thanks Tod.

Re: [biofuel] WW2

2003-06-20 Thread mark schofield
The other catalyst I believe was manganese dioxide. You can actually buy peroxide and gasoline driven rockets as hobby kits. Mark Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger

Re: [biofuel] WW2

2003-06-20 Thread Wood
I want one .. i love rockets as well... where can i get one.. David mark schofield wrote: The other catalyst I believe was manganese dioxide. You can actually buy peroxide and gasoline driven rockets as hobby kits. Mark

Re: [biofuel] WW2

2003-06-20 Thread Greg and April
They have built a Rocket Pack, that uses nothing but H2O2 as the propellant, and a platinum catalyst. It produces enough direct thrust, to lift it's self and the person it is strapped onto for about 30 seconds. Greg H. - Original Message - From: mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [biofuel] Sparkling bio-diesel

2003-06-20 Thread gobie
- Original Message - From: mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I understand, and I will have it out with them shortly, I have to test it for certification and then they also test periodically when ever they want. Further, they can also turn up on site at the drop of a hat

Re: [biofuel] Re: Sparkling bio-diesel

2003-06-20 Thread mark schofield
Dear girl_mark_fire As far as I can see. I'm going through the paperwork now. Mark Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

[biofuel] Re: how much do you know

2003-06-20 Thread Forbes Bagatelle-Black
At the speeds we are discussing, wind resistance accounts for most of the energy consumed. Other sources of energy consumption are rolling resistance of the tires, which remains constant relative to velocity (but not vehicle mass), and inefficiencies in the drivetrain and engine. Drivetrain

Re: [biofuel] WW2

2003-06-20 Thread Greg and April
I don't remember, I think may have been a small turbine that spun a generator, that drove the electric motors. The reason it came about, is because the U.S. and British navies were using things from radar to trained seagulls ( the seagulls would fly around until they found and sat on a snorkel,

Re: [biofuel] WW2,peroxide power

2003-06-20 Thread gobie
from http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/hist1939.html 1940 German scientist Helmuth Walter demonstrated a prototype for the first true submarine, a boat that in theory could operate submerged for an indefinite period, unlimited by battery capacity or the need for atmospheric oxygen. V.80

Re: [biofuel] Re: how much do you know

2003-06-20 Thread gobie
- Original Message - From: Forbes Bagatelle-Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the speeds we are discussing, wind resistance accounts for most of the energy consumed. Other sources of energy consumption are rolling resistance of the tires, which remains constant relative to velocity (but

[biofuel] Re: how much do you know

2003-06-20 Thread Forbes Bagatelle-Black
A friend of mine tried something like this several years ago on a human powered vehicle he was racing. He used fans to pull the air going by closer to skin of his vehicle, causing air flow which aproximated a laminar flow more closely. I am not sure how successful he was, but everything

[biofuel] Hemp Diesel

2003-06-20 Thread douglas_rawley
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[biofuel] Ammonia as Fuel

2003-06-20 Thread murdoch
It isn't clear to me at what temperature it can become liquid. It seems to me that a big part of why I was advocating other fuels is that, in liquid form, they can be transported and used with greater energy density. I do think it's close to being easily made into a liquid, but that at room

Re: [biofuel] Ammonia as Fuel

2003-06-20 Thread Hakan
It is made liquid a relatively high (although freezing) temperature and low pressure. That is exactly why it was used in fridges, to move heat you need these properties. CFC is also used because of its similar vaporization points. Ammonia is dangerous if concentrated. It will also easily burn

RE: [biofuel] WW2

2003-06-20 Thread BRANT LUCAS
Greg ;I know what saying. I took another look last night. The site u-boat.net has been updated, no longer has the fuelling info on it. The old pages were yellow. I didn't look to see but I bet one could e-mail them with questions. I remember reading the British built a sub after the war that

RE: [biofuel] WW2,peroxide power

2003-06-20 Thread BRANT LUCAS
Paul;Thanks for the info. I would have thought a mixture of diesel and H2O2 would have been the answer. No snorkel needed. Each injected into the cylinders separately. Brant -Original Message- From: gobie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:11 PM To:

[biofuel] Ammonia

2003-06-20 Thread Robert Mills
NH 3, Anhydrous ammonia, refrigerant ammonia, It is all the same product with differing amounts of allowable water in the product. The word anhydrous means without water. It has a boiling point of -21 deg F at atmospheric pressure. The most common usage today for ammonia as a refrigerant is

Re: [biofuel] WW2,peroxide power

2003-06-20 Thread jgnat1488
What was used as the reactant in the nazi rocket plane? I know that one of the fuels were h2o2 and when the other liquid was in contact with it, it combusted for more thrust. As i recall the plane was a shoort range (12 min. fly time) interceptor placed near factories and used drop dollies for

Re: [biofuel] Re: how much do you know

2003-06-20 Thread GuyW
There is no energy consumed simply because an object is travelling at a certain velocity; an object in motion tends to stay in motion. If this were true, we'd just turn off the engine and coast... -Guy- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free

[biofuel] Re: [evworld] Ammonia

2003-06-20 Thread murdoch
My previous question which so far has not been answered is How is it made? It is made at the local OIL refinery as a byproduct of the production of gasoline, propane, and like hydrocarbon products. Bob: I'm glad to be educated on the point of the fact that NH3 is apparently presently

Re: [biofuel] Ammonia as Fuel

2003-06-20 Thread gobie
Ammonia (gaseous) mixed with air in the right ratio forms an explosive mixture. But then that can be said for a lot of fuels with low vapour points. Regards Paul Gobert. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To

[biofuel] Fwd: fuel tanks

2003-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
Forwarded message, FYI: From: solar100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fuel tanks Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:06:45 -0400 Good morning: We have been studying the market for the vegetable fuel oil kits and it looks like there is a need for a reasonably priced fuel tank. We

RE: [biofuel] Biogas technologies

2003-06-20 Thread ONG San Guan
-Original Message- From: ONG San Guan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2003 08:27 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: Kaline A; aacc; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; C; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mohan; rajagopal nambakam; padmanabhan paramasevam; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [biofuel] Biogas

[biofuel] Fwd: Organic Processor - Hydorgen Problems

2003-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:26:52 -0400 SUBJECT: Organic Processor - Hydorgen Problems Copied from one of my other newsgroups. Blake Chris Cosman wrote: My question is, since diesel fuel is heavier than gas is the HP/pound of fuel still about the

Re: [biofuel] McDonald's Tries To Phase Out Use of Antibiotics In Meat

2003-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hi MM Re Sars, you might find this interesting: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DynamicGenomics.php Dynamic Genomics Evidence has emerged that the cocktail of drugs and environmental hazards to which Gulf War veterans have been exposed all target a special part of the genome that's responsible for

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Where Does the Toxic Waste Go?...or wanna buy some dirty fertilizer

2003-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
I found this to be interesting, and I thought that a few others might as well. Greg H. It's unbelievable but all too true. There's been a similar scandal in Australia, so it's not just a US phenomenon. And this apart from the Toxic Sludge is Good for You issue: Is Sewage Fertilizer Too

Re: [biofuel] WW2,peroxide power

2003-06-20 Thread gobie
Brant, apparently they did use the oxygen from the peroxide to power the diesel generators. The V.80 was built in a figure eight cross-section configuration with the base section intended to hold the peroxide. When the idea didn't work out to be practical; they filled the bottom section up with

Re: [biofuel] WW2,peroxide power

2003-06-20 Thread gobie
- Original Message - From: jgnat1488 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What was used as the reactant in the nazi rocket plane? I know that one of the fuels were h2o2 and when the other liquid was in contact with it, it combusted for more thrust. As i recall the plane was a shoort range (12 min.