Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the government in power to syphon
from the tax payer billions of dollars for their friends and has very little
to do with global warming. It also helps those countries that do not have a
supply of fossil to gain a competitive edge. We are living in the tail e
I don't agree with this at all.
JD2005
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> Kyoto is nothing more than a means
Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the government in power to syphon
from the tax payer billions of dollars for their friends and has very little
to do with global warming. It also helps those countries that do not have a
Etc etc, while Mark L. Thompson wrote:
Kyoto is based on mostly J
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Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the government in power to syphon
from the tax payer billions of dollars for their friends and has very
little
to do with global warming. It al
to
hasten the problem.Don't you
think?.DB
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g on it's own then it certainly
would be stupid to hasten the problem.Don't you
think?.............DB
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"Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science."
"Kyoto is going to be economic suicide.."
Just random thoughts?
It certainly takes a noble man to enlighten us all with these profound, random
thoughts.thoughts that bring to light the foolishness of those that
even DARED belie
You are right of course. I should study the whole treaty rather than
rely on what I read about it. Also, my thanks to you for untangling my
sentence about Republicans.
I may be being a pessimist here but I don't see the world doing much
about global warming in time to stop it's effects.
Rick,
You did nor read my post about this China-propaganda by US, therefore I
will repeat it.
"140 countries, which is around half the countries in the world and who
represent more than 55% of the pollution with greenhouse gases, have signed
the Kyoto protocol. US with 4+% of world populati
Dear Keith,
You are right of course. I should study the whole treaty rather
than rely on what I read about it. Also, my thanks to you for
untangling my sentence about Republicans.
Um, sorry, wearing my editor's hat in the wrong place, but I was
tempted by the idea of using spontaneous
I think the problem is not the current levels of consumption but the
change in rate of consumption. China and Southeast Asia are undergoing
a huge increase in their rate of consumption of oil, a rate that in the
long run is unsustainable.How long do you think over half the worlds
popula
Thanks for the references and your viewpoint. Both are really helpful.
Rick
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Rick
Dear Keith,
You are right of course. I should study the whole treaty rather
than rely on what I read about it. Also, my thanks to you for
untangling my sentence about Republ
The good thing is China and Southeast Asia is the people there seem to
like and be happy with small fuel efficient cars and bikes. Chris.
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> Hello Rick
>
> >Dear Keith,
> >
Rick,
Interesting, especially since many now realize that we are at, or close to,
the peak of oil production. It is not possible to reach larger levels of
pollution from oil, than the current levels. US who use 25% of the worlds
energy resources, will not have possibility to grow and will pro
Thanks so much for your response. It address a question I have been
curious about. You say we are at or near the peak of production of
oil. Is that because the amount of oil given the present reserves can
not be extracted faster or is it because it is not profitable to extract
it faster
Thanks so much for your response. It address a question I have
been curious about. You say we are at or near the peak of
production of oil. Is that because the amount of oil given the
present reserves can not be extracted faster or is it because it is
not profitable to extract it faste
Rick,
Before the Iraq war, the cushion in oil production was around 2 bn barrels
a day. The war consumed the cushion and ever since, the oil production has
been on the top of what is possible. The failure of getting the expected
higher production from Iraq and instead severe problems of getti
Keith,
It is absolutely clear that many actions should have been taken yesterday
and that it is no excuse for not doing it today. Doing it tomorrow will be
too late to avoid more major disasters. It is scandalous that US did not
sign Kyoto and that they are not on the forefront of the people/
Rick, world oil discovery crosed production headed down about 1981.
Production must follow discovery, and it won't take too long. Discovery
now runs under 40% of production; most years around 25%.
For any given well and field, production beyond a certain rate reduces
the total amount of oil recov
Keith,
It is absolutely clear that many actions should have been taken
yesterday and that it is no excuse for not doing it today. Doing it
tomorrow will be too late to avoid more major disasters.
Yes, I guess that's right... But if we leave it till tomorrow we'll
have to do it anyway. Fur
Hi Mark,
You said: "Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science"
...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the emissions from our civilization comes
from the burning of fossil fuels, here's a little experiment you can do at home.
1.) Get yourself a chain saw and bring it with you into your bathroom
2
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Hi Mark,
You said: "Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science"
...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the emissions from our
civilization comes from the bur
nt: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:31 PM
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Hi Mark,
You said: "Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science"
...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the emissions from our
civilization comes from the bur
On Feb 22, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D) wrote:
Sorry Mike
Actually most CO2 emissions come from Decomposing Plant material.
It is amazing what pointing out simple "Off subject" issues in a post
will do.
Decomposing plant material is carbon-neutral, of course, and
therefo
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Hi Mark,
You said: "Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science"
...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the
teady state.
> Anthropogenic emissions are above and beyond natural emissions.
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Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D) wrote:
Sorry Mike
Actually most CO2 emissions come from Decomposing Plant material.
That is immat
n hope for is a slowed rate
increase in atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gasses.
Greg H.
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r of peat is
> > burned away, it can no longer insulate the permafrost lower down, once
the
> > permafrost melts, the peat in those layers is subject to decay, and it
> > release's more CO2 while decaying, for months even years after the fire
has
> > occurred.
> >
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>
> In one form or another yes, but which form, and for how
An important point which often gets missed is that we are adding to the
atmosphere gases of known properties: they cause the atmosphere to retain
heat.
And, if the atmosphere didn't already contain gases which retain heat,
the Earth would be very much colder than it is.
There are many secondary
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I am keeping the perspective, the carbon was around in one fo
Sorry for not getting back sooner, it's been a little hectic in the last
couple of days.
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Best wishes
Keith
An important point which often gets missed is that we are adding to the
atmosphere gases of known properties: they cause the atmosphere to retain
heat.
And, if the atmosphere didn't already contain gases which retain heat,
the Earth would be very much colder than it is.
T
I'll snip most of this...
Couple of points: I've never heard anyone but you proposing that we
need to sequester the last 200 years of human carbon emissions.
> >OTOH, I am sure, that there is currently a disturbing
> >trend, that needs to be delt with, be it short term or long term.
>
> D
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[snip]
I think that I explained it a little better above.Perhaps a little
more:
In order to sequester 200 yrs of CO2, I thing that extreme measures will
have to be
I notice you didn't respond to this - the discussion on your claim
that the end of fossil fuels will mean the end of the fight against
world hunger (below).
You have to do some studying Greg, you've got this all wrong...
So here's a bit more for you.
http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Wee
Sorry about the delay, I been busy with illness and the furnace
installation.
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> Hello Greg and all.
>
> I disagree with some appreciation about the cost of flying because the
fuel
> cost increase th
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> Hello Greg and all.
>
> I disagree with some appreciation about the cost of flying because the
fuel
> cost incr
ng to
cause an increase in the cost of flying.
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Hello Greg and all.
02, 2005 15:36
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> Greg, jet fuel could be made from a number of sources such
> as fossil natural gas or coal, or better from renewable
> sources. basically any source of carbon and hydrogen as
> found in num
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