Yes Keith. Business as usual. I think the saying is The more things change,
the more they remain the same.
Dow makes herbicides banned in the US but exports them south. We bring them
back on bananas
and coffee and other products and the average Joe thinks contaminated food
is stopped at the
Thanks for the Monsanto/water links. Have forwarded.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:25 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Hi Kirk
excerpt
Such as water, which you've mentioned
ref
Yes, there's a case for that. There also an opposition case, and no
doubt several other points of view. But would you then simply extend
this analagy and, to use Warren's phrase, tar and feather other eco
initiatives with the same brush as mere manipulation via ecology?
With global warming as
ref
Yes, there's a case for that. There also an opposition case, and no
doubt several other points of view. But would you then simply extend
this analagy and, to use Warren's phrase, tar and feather other eco
initiatives with the same brush as mere manipulation via ecology?
With global warming as
-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:58 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
ref
I remember an Australian ex-officer who'd served in Vietnam telling
me if they'd really wanted to stop
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No, I made my living in the satellite business. My stance on global warming
is
influenced by things I saw firsthand. Probably the scariest
photos I ever saw were infrareds of the photo plankton dieoff in the ocean
from
agent orange coming down the rivers.
It was supposed to stop 50 miles
Keith said:
Okay, let me try to get to the bottom of this - I'm but a bear of
small brain, so please explain clearly: who is selling global
warming, and why, and to whom? Are all the massive auto and oil and
other corporations that have pulled out of the anti-Kyoto coalition
lobby group or
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Keith, there is so much to like in your perspective. Action to
improve energy efficiency and increase environmental awareness is all
to the good. Yet, I still question the selling of global warming. In
spite of what may appear to be good
Warren - your point is taken, however I think that if you were to really
spend time poring over the scientific data that has led, over many years
now, to the currently prevalent belief that climate change is occurring and
that humans are resposible for it, you may come to that same conclusion.
Keith, surely you do cannot really expect me to explain why
organizations I have no role in chose to support or oppose global
warming or any other issue.
But Warren, although you may have no role in them, you keep pointing
fingers (but you won't quite say at whom) and making accusations,
, are ignored.
A smoking gun in my eyes as to the motivation of these social engineers.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:45 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Keith, there is so much to like
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:29 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Warren - your point is taken, however I think that if you were to really
spend time poring over the scientific data that has led, over many years
now, to the currently prevalent belief
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:45 AM
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Keith, there is so much to like in your perspective. Action to
improve energy efficiency and increase environmental awareness is all
to the good. Yet, I still question
Keith replied:
We share this position.
Somehow I doubt it.
This is what I don't get - there's a point of view here, a
perception, an angle, that I just can't see. It's obviously very
emotive and divisive, and it seems to make it difficult to see the
thing itself, shorn of its (political?)
: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:39 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Hello Kirk
Just another conspiracy theory? Global warming is a plot by the
corporations, the WTO, the Davos Group, the IMF/World Bank? Uh-huh.
OK Pooh
Governments subscribe to Kyoto and any
of the discussion on
global warming, and the idea that it's propaganda. Here's your first
message:
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:48:48 -0600
Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Shsh, how times do change! A few months back I posted a few
questions on this list regarding
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:48 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Global Warming 101: was Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Global warming is an interesting term. The greenhouse effect,
relative to the way man's activities are altering
Keith, there is so much to like in your perspective. Action to
improve energy efficiency and increase environmental awareness is all
to the good. Yet, I still question the selling of global warming. In
spite of what may appear to be good underlying intentions, promoting
fear-based propaganda of
Shsh, how times do change! A few months back I posted a few
questions on this list regarding the selling of global warming. The
true believers on this list responded by giving me a beating,
virtually speaking, for daring to question such 'Scientific Truth'.
Now it appears that heretics are
Keith said:
Looking at it another way, even if it turns out that human-caused CO2
emissions have nothing or vanishingly little to do with climate and
that there is no global warming, that it's all a
myth/mistake/communist propaganda or whatever, moves to cut CO2
emissions are generally
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
Shsh, how times do change! A few months back I posted a few
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
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This hotlink is for those who think that what I'm about to say is horse
muffins. It's a simple compound interest table. Oddly enough, this has
everything to do with biofuels.
http://www.cashflowzone.com/compound_interest.htm
Think about this for a minute. Assuming at worste that no one knows if
Global warming is an interesting term. The greenhouse effect,
relative to the way man's activities are altering the composition of
the atmosphere, surely must alter the way heat is transfered from
near the surface of the earth to the upper atmosphere. If the ground
warms significantly more in
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Global warming is, unfortunately, real enough. Weather is generally
powered, albeit indirectly, by solar radiant energy. Except where
there is reflective snow cover, radiant energy is converted to heat,
directly or via the complicated pathways
of,
such as the atrocious condition of drinking water,goes begging.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: TreeHugger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:43 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial
While we're at it:
From Economic Reporting Review, June 18, 2001
By Dean Baker
GLOBAL WARMING
Bush Voices Doubts on Global Warming Causes, by Mike Allen and
Eric Pianin in the Washington Post, June 12, 2001, page A1.
Bush Will Continue to Oppose Kyoto Pact on Global Warming, by
David E.
Global warming is, unfortunately, real enough. Weather is generally
powered, albeit indirectly, by solar radiant energy. Except where
there is reflective snow cover, radiant energy is converted to heat,
directly or via the complicated pathways such as photosynthesis.
Generally heat warms
Interesting title Ray. But is it climate or just weather? Long range
weather forcasters have predicted many significant weather events
based on observed solar cycles. The variation in solar energy
reaching earth is significant and can cause variations in surface
temperatures that must have
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Indeed the failure of
ancient agricultural systems that persisted up to a thousand years
appears to be linked to natural? climate change. Check out the little
ice age for example.
http://soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010119lowdermilk.usda/cls.html
Lowdermilk:
Found Loudermilk can't find the second reference. Loudermilk focuses
on erosion and siltation. Does a good job of promoting soil
conservation. What it demonstrates to me is that since we can now
cultivate the heavy volcanics we should leave the light soils alone.
Sure he discounts climate
Found Loudermilk can't find the second reference. Loudermilk focuses
on erosion and siltation. Does a good job of promoting soil
conservation. What it demonstrates to me is
snip
Yeah, well. Leaves out the bits he doesn't like, eh? :-) Unlike you.
It's a classic work of great renown, I guess
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hmm... wasn't it Congress, and not GW, that turned down Kyoto?
technically yes, congress has yet to ratify Kyoto. But Dubyah has
publicly come out against it which means that it is pretty much now
dead, rather than merely
You're preachin' to the choir Steve. I just had an extended
e-mail debate with a buddy of mine last week about how Clinton was
just window dressing. He seams to think Clinton was better than Bush,
I say that although he put up a front, he didn't DO anything, which
made him tacitly just the
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We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors,
we borrow it from our children.
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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:10 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Climate Change Debate at the Oxford Union
You're preachin
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