Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2004-03-31 Thread gobie
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Kron" >Catching up on ancient email. >If one continues mixing until the reaction is complete and I have not >heard of any evidence that indicates separation is required for the >reaction to complete and then introduces into the reactor enough acid to

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2004-03-29 Thread Kenneth Kron
Catching up on ancient email. If one continues mixing until the reaction is complete and I have not heard of any evidence that indicates separation is required for the reaction to complete and then introduces into the reactor enough acid to quench the sodium catalyst then I see no reason why y

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-24 Thread Appal Energy
and cautious enough to create a vapor tight system. Not so sure that everyone falls into those categories of abilities though. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Maud Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel]

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-24 Thread Maud Essen
ast a drip from the resevoir and/or too >much heat to the evaporator) can back down through the evaporator and >evacuate through the bottom. > >The vent hose on the container that receives the biodiesel is a precaution >for an overheated or over-fed evaporator. > >Todd Swearingen

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-19 Thread Appal Energy
d or over-fed evaporator. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Maud Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation > Thanks, Todd, for going to the trouble of running that

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-19 Thread Maud Essen
Thanks, Todd, for going to the trouble of running that test. Can I run my own tests like the one you described if I can figure out how to make a condenser? Although I'm currently at the small batch (two liter-sized) processing level, I would like to develop and practice using a small condenser

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-15 Thread Appal Energy
Maud, > is the amount of methanol remaining in the methyl ester > considered negligible? Is it possible to determine what percentage > remains in the methyl ester and what percentage in the glycerol? Maud Just for grins and giggles and to answer part of your question, a 100 milileter sample of

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-14 Thread Keith Addison
d to recover the >alcohol from the biodiesel, then they should be looking at insulation, heat >recovery and renewable fuels for the energy inputs. > >Todd Swearingen > >- Original Message - >From: "Maud Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Saturda

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-13 Thread Keith Addison
>Lagonisa, > > > The problem is > > that I have also read that due to the reversibility of the reaction, > >The reaction is not exactly reversible. "Reversability" would require the >three glycerides and the glycerol recombining. That doesn't happen. Once the >glycerol is cleaved it is out of the

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-13 Thread Appal Energy
renewable fuels for the energy inputs. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Maud Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation Todd, is the amount of methanol remaining in the methyl e

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-13 Thread Maud Essen
Todd, is the amount of methanol remaining in the methyl ester considered negligible? Is it possible to determine what percentage remains in the methyl ester and what percentage in the glycerol? Maud >Lagonisa, > >> The problem is >> that I have also read that due to the reversibility of the r

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-13 Thread Appal Energy
Lagonisa, > The problem is > that I have also read that due to the reversibility of the reaction, The reaction is not exactly reversible. "Reversability" would require the three glycerides and the glycerol recombining. That doesn't happen. Once the glycerol is cleaved it is out of the picture.

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-13 Thread Ken Provost
On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 12:02 PM, Thomus Patton wrote: > I would think that removing methanol would certainly be detrimental > to your yield. So would I. Most of the methanol goes into the aqueous (glycerine) layer anyway, so you can recover that portion by distilling the glyc layer

Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-13 Thread Thomus Patton
Hello I'm a chemical engineering student working on a biodiesel production facility design project with my senior design group at NCSU. We are only in the initial stages and do not have a lot of kinetic data yet, but I would think that removing methanol would certainly be detrimental to your

[biofuel] methanol recovery before separation

2003-12-10 Thread lagonisa
Hello to all: I have read some contributions to this group about methanol recovery and the different options. I would like to try the recovery before separation of bio and glycerol using a condenser that would receive the methanol fumes after finishing the reaction. I have a processor were I