Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale question

2002-11-12 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard stated: > >Yep: http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale Is this link not in the version >you have? If not, it may not be the most current. Rather than try to dig up my own copy, I just searched on Google. This link isn't indexed by Google, nor does it seem to have any pages linking

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale question

2002-11-11 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > Also, is there not an official page for the MobyScale at > MobyGames.com? I can't find one and Google returns the ones at YOIS > and GOTCHA. Yep: http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale Is this link not in the version you have? If not, it may not be the most current.

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale question

2002-11-09 Thread Hugh Falk
I would say that yes; the book is ED. However, if you're using the abbreviated form and grading the entire contents of the game with one grade, I would not list the entire contents as ED. If everything else was F (for example), it might bring down the contents to VG or G (it's subjective, of cour

Re: [SWCollect] Mobyscale

2002-02-22 Thread C.E. Forman
1. Personally I never use [MS(T)]. A tear in the wrap exposes the package to scuffing, shelf wear, oxygen, etc., just as if it were off completely torn off. Hence the best rating I will use with the "T" modifier is "NM". (In other words, I use "mint-sealed" to mean no defects not only with the

Re: [SWCollect] Mobyscale

2002-02-19 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: > > My take: > > - The circular hole is generally intentional and is not a defect in any way. > It would be classified as MS. In fact, that hole is a good indicator of > original shrinkwrap. If it is a PERFECT circular (or oval) hole. An irregular one larger than 1cm in diame

RE: [SWCollect] Mobyscale

2002-02-18 Thread Hugh Falk
My take: - The circular hole is generally intentional and is not a defect in any way. It would be classified as MS. In fact, that hole is a good indicator of original shrinkwrap. - I add descriptive notes to the title. For example "Winger Commander (OEM)" vs "Wing Commander." - Same for autog

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 1.0!

2000-11-13 Thread Jim Leonard
Ack, I can't believe I didn't thank everyone as well. Thanks to all that contributed comments, no matter how large or small! Hugh Falk wrote: > > It looks awesome! And is now up on my site as well. Thanks Jim...and > thanks to all who helped make this possible. > > -Original Message-

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 1.0!

2000-11-12 Thread Hugh Falk
It looks awesome! And is now up on my site as well. Thanks Jim...and thanks to all who helped make this possible. -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[SWCollect] MobyScale 1

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-06 Thread C.E. Forman
> I wonder how you get through the day NOT supporting BM. ;-) BM is optional, you said so yourself. I choose not to use it. B-) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing l

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-06 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > >2. The C modifier is mainly for unopened packages, although you might > >arguably use it when rating a box. (Will this lead to people > >(incorrectly, IMO) rating boxes as "NM, (C)"?) > > This I'd interpreted to mean any box, since it doesn't specifically > say sealed

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-06 Thread Hugh Falk
That was it for me. -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 8:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review "Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > Jim Leona

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-06 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >> 3. The IM and MMC modifiers are used when grading an entire package, >> although from the examples IM can be used as a separate "grade" when >> there's no item of which to state the condition. > >Uh, I don't understand what you mean by "IM can be used as a separate

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-06 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > Jim Leonard boldly stated: > > > > >Each grade can also have a modifier associated with it: > > > >- Sealed (S): Sealed with original factory (or store) shrinkwrap or sticker. > > >- Compressed (C): Package has been crushed or compressed. > > > >- Torn Wrap (T): Sealed

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-02 Thread C.E. Forman
>1. The S and T modifiers are only used for grading an unopened package. That's how I understood it. If the wrap is torn enough for the box to be opened, it can't be rated sealed. "T", if I follow correctly, means sealed (not opened) but the wrap isn't perfect. >2. The C modifier is mainly f

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-02 Thread C.E. Forman
Okay, you've convinced me. Makes sense. I do have to say, though... >use BM when you know it because that condition affects the value to some >collectors. [...] >I guess the point of BM (and why I support it) [...] >Ultimately, you can ignore BM if you don't think you'll never need/use it. ..H

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-01 Thread Hugh Falk
Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >Each grade can also have a modifier associated with it: > >- Sealed (S): Sealed with original factory (or store) shrinkwrap or stic

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-01 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >Each grade can also have a modifier associated with it: > >- Sealed (S): Sealed with original factory (or store) shrinkwrap or sticker. >- Compressed (C): Package has been crushed or compressed. > >- Torn Wrap (T): Sealed package has tears in the shrinkwrap. > >- It

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-01 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > >This is true, but you don't have to use the modifier if the status isn't > know. > >In other words, you'd only use Bad Media if you *knew* the media was bad > (of > >course, it would be painful to note such a condition, but you'd do it in > good > >conscience if you were

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-01 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Oh, and, but now that my initial reaction has passed (again, I'm sorry, :) Our internal applications at the bank have, coincidentally, abbreviations of GAS and FECES, so it was only natural (snicker) to non-coincidentally name our internet security team the Firewall Adm

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-01 Thread C.E. Forman
>This is true, but you don't have to use the modifier if the status isn't know. >In other words, you'd only use Bad Media if you *knew* the media was bad (of >course, it would be painful to note such a condition, but you'd do it in good >conscience if you were listing the item for sale or trade).

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-01 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Oh, and, but now that my initial reaction has passed (again, I'm sorry, > Hugh), I thought > of one additional thing to expand upon: > > > - You would have to check your media on a regular basis to make sure it is > > still working (even if you don't normally touch the p

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-01 Thread C.E. Forman
Oh, and, but now that my initial reaction has passed (again, I'm sorry, Hugh), I thought of one additional thing to expand upon: > - You would have to check your media on a regular basis to make sure it is > still working (even if you don't normally touch the package), and in doing so you would h

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-11-01 Thread C.E. Forman
> Maybe we want to make Bad Media (BM) a modifier? *Snicker*... Um, it's a good idea, makes sense, but... could we maybe find a different abbreviation? I just can't help thinking of the *other* thing "BM" stands for when I see it. (I know, I'm so freakin' immature. B-) Sorry... B-) --

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-10-31 Thread Hugh Falk
to make Bad Media (BM) a modifier? -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review Looks great to me. No problem with the not-in-all-package

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-10-31 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Looks great to me. No problem with the not-in-all-packages items, I can do > without and it'd be less confusing anyway. > > Any last-minute changes, speak up now! I have no further changes... anyone else? -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive his

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.3.0 -- please review

2000-10-31 Thread C.E. Forman
Looks great to me. No problem with the not-in-all-packages items, I can do without and it'd be less confusing anyway. Any last-minute changes, speak up now! -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 1.0?

2000-10-24 Thread Lee K. Seitz
C.E. Forman boldly stated: > >Also, an optional modifier we might consider adding is one for those = >rare items included in some, but not all, game packages, for example the = >lapel pin and Ral Partha order form in the first 5000 copies of = >Infocom's "BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Inception"

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 1.0?

2000-10-23 Thread Hugh Falk
I agree with everything below. I too am waiting for the final scale (with the changes we last agreed upon) so I can upload my updated site. By the way, I have a Dragon Wars with the poster. It is the same as the box cover (but 4 times bigger). Let me know if you want any details. Best regar

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.8

2000-10-03 Thread Hugh Falk
ject: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.8 "Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > C.E. Forman boldly stated: > > > >These are fine with me. I would also like to add a modifier for promotional > >/ > >dealer demo copies of games, as I have several of these in my own collection

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-10-03 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Can it be abbreviated to "XD" instead of "ED"? We don't want to offend > people named Ed by associating their name with a negative rating, plus "X" > is 20 times cooler than "E". > > (This is a joke; I'm not serious like I was with the protest against "P". > B-) Scaril

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.8

2000-10-03 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > C.E. Forman boldly stated: > > > >These are fine with me. I would also like to add a modifier for promotional > >/ > >dealer demo copies of games, as I have several of these in my own collection > >and come across copies for the Shoppe as well. ("P" or "D" would do.) >

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.8

2000-10-02 Thread Lee K. Seitz
C.E. Forman boldly stated: > >These are fine with me. I would also like to add a modifier for promotional >/ >dealer demo copies of games, as I have several of these in my own collection >and come across copies for the Shoppe as well. ("P" or "D" would do.) I think that departs from the purpose

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.8

2000-10-01 Thread C.E. Forman
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 8:45 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.8 > Okay, I am getting around to converting my scale to Moby Scale and I have a > few discrepancies that I wanted to bring up. I'm not saying we need to &g

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.8

2000-10-01 Thread Hugh Falk
Oh yes, I would also like to suggest "(IM)" as an abbreviation for Item Missing and "(S)" for Sealed. -Original Message- From: Hugh Falk [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 9:45 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [SW

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.8

2000-10-01 Thread Hugh Falk
Okay, I am getting around to converting my scale to Moby Scale and I have a few discrepancies that I wanted to bring up. I'm not saying we need to address these in the scale, but if we don't, I will likely deviate slightly to accommodate these. They all deal with modifiers, and since they are

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-29 Thread C.E. Forman
serious like I was with the protest against "P". B-) - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6) > On Fri, Sep 29,

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-29 Thread Jim Leonard
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 12:02:44PM -0500, Lee K. Seitz wrote: > Jim Leonard boldly stated: > > > >If noone has any objections to Undesirable Defects, I'll make the change. > >Naysayers, you have a couple of days to suggest something better. :-) > > I prefer C.E.'s Excess Defects, but I'm gettin

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-29 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >If noone has any objections to Undesirable Defects, I'll make the change. >Naysayers, you have a couple of days to suggest something better. :-) I prefer C.E.'s Excess Defects, but I'm getting tired of quibbling over it (as I'm sure you guys are). -- Lee K. Seitz

RE: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-29 Thread Hugh Falk
Please send out the latest version when ready. -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6) Hugh Falk wrote

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-29 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: > > Undesirable Defects works for me, but again, I don't find it any more > palatable (to a consumer) than poor. I also think Undesirable is fine on > its own (without "Defects). I'd like to keep the "defects" since otherwise it's an opinion that the entire item is completely u

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-29 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > Jim Leonard boldly stated: > > > >Undesireable Defects? Anyone? > > I dunno. It's not bad, but it begs the question: What's a desirable > defect? 8) > > BTW, I realized a problem with my Inferior suggestions. It might be > confused with Item Missing. So then I tho

RE: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-28 Thread Hugh Falk
2000 9:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6) "C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Hmm... how about making it "UD" (Unusable Defects)? The current > definition for "FP" even states this. Unusable De

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-28 Thread C.E. Forman
>Undesirable Defects is a little more palatable to me... how does that wording >sit with you? This works for me. Lee, if it's redundant... would "Excess Defects" sound better? (That one's fun to say three times real fast! B-) >I severely hope you don't have anything in this condition ;-) I use

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-28 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >Undesireable Defects? Anyone? I dunno. It's not bad, but it begs the question: What's a desirable defect? 8) BTW, I realized a problem with my Inferior suggestions. It might be confused with Item Missing. So then I thought why not change it to just Missing, but

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-28 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Hmm... how about making it "UD" (Unusable Defects)? The current > definition for "FP" even states this. Unusable Defects implies both an opinion *and* seems just as harsh as Poor. Hm... I'll give this some more thought. Undesirable Defects is a little more palatable

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-27 Thread C.E. Forman
- Original Message - > Another question: Am I correct that MS can apply to things other than > the box. For example, I have a copy of Star Saga: One that's been > opened, but there are two sets of manuals inside that are still > shrinkwrapped. So I could list the box as VG and the manu

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-27 Thread C.E. Forman
>Unusable to Collectors isn't accurate in my opinion, because even a Poor >package can still be usuable to collectors ("Now I have that reference card >I've been looking for!", etc.) Unusable to Collectors also implies a bit of an >opinion, something I was trying to get away from in suggesting th

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > Another question: Am I correct that MS can apply to things other than > the box. For example, I have a copy of Star Saga: One that's been > opened, but there are two sets of manuals inside that are still > shrinkwrapped. So I could list the box as VG and the manuals a

Re: How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-27 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >2. Think of another word for the final grade, like, um, Mediocre? :-) How about Bad (or maybe Inferior)? >3. Keep Fair as the final grade and standardize on 2-letter abbreviations: MS, >NM, FI, VG, GO, FA This would work for me as well. Another question: Am I c

How Fair is Poor? (was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6)

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > I disagree... moving from "Good" to "Poor" feels like quite a gap. > I have a number of packages that I wouldn't quite call good, since > they're not in acceptable condition to the average collector, but > I wouldn't go so far as to label them poor. Having the "Fair" in

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Just one little modification I'd like to see: Move "IM" (Item Missing) to > the bottom of the list, as a modifier (alongside "Sealed"). Just seems > like a logical place for it, since it further describes the condition of > the game. Agreed; I've made this modification.

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: > > But there isn't a Fair right now anyway. There is only FP. It's not like > you're getting rid of a grade between Good and Poor. If we need two grades > below Good (which I don't think we do) then we should have 2, not lump them > together under FP. Otherwise Poor is good

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-27 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: > > UC works for me, but I prefer Poor...it's more intuitive, but I wouldn't argue too >hard for it. Let's take a vote. Unusable to Collectors isn't accurate in my opinion, because even a Poor package can still be usuable to collectors ("Now I have that reference card I've bee

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-26 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Hugh Falk boldly stated: > >UC works for me, but I prefer Poor...it's more intuitive, but I wouldn't argue too >hard for it. Let's take a vote. I'm with C.E. -- Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/ Wanted: | Visit the Classic Video Game

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-26 Thread Hugh Falk
#x27;t shake the discomfort of "Good is only one step above Poor". Make sense? Sort of? - Original Message - From: Hugh Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6 > But t

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-26 Thread C.E. Forman
fort of "Good is only one step above Poor". Make sense? Sort of? - Original Message ----- From: Hugh Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6 > But there isn't a Fair r

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-26 Thread Hugh Falk
or. Anything below Poor isn't worth mentioning. Hugh -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6 I disagree... moving from "Good" to &quo

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-26 Thread C.E. Forman
a way that would handle both, though I can't think of it at the moment. Maybe change the "Fair" in FP to something that starts with another letter? - Original Message - From: Hugh Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:50 PM

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.2.6

2000-09-25 Thread Hugh Falk
Sorry for a seriously belated question here. In all of the back and forth, didn't we change: "Fair to Poor (FP)" to something else? Regardless, I remember that one change in particular was to change VG+ to F (Fine) because we didn't want confusion, but now we have 2 that start with F. I sug

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25

2000-09-15 Thread ZZyzx000
> >Just tell him the situation called for him to put on his >peril-sensitive sunglasses and then he wouldn't notice. > >OR > >Tell him that, in order to make it up to him, you'd already included >"no tea" in the package free of charge. > If you ever need to translate something there is a neat site

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25

2000-09-15 Thread Lee K. Seitz
C.E. Forman boldly stated: > >Sold a guy a shrinked "Hitchhiker's Guide", which he proceeded to >open (the horror! The HORROR!!), and found there was no fluff >inside. Original shrink, had the sticker to prove it. Just tell him the situation called for him to put on his peril-sensitive sunglass

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25

2000-09-13 Thread Jim Leonard
Sorry; I thought this was implied, but we can't assume anything in defining this. I have made the modifications and the scale now stands at version 0.2.6. When the scale document stops getting modified for a week or so, I'll post it to the list again so that everyone has the most recent version.

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25

2000-09-12 Thread C.E. Forman
vision to allow people to spot incomplete packages easier. And could the "Sealed" notation have an abbreviation of "S"? - Original Message - From: Lee K. Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: R

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25

2000-09-12 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >Note that, for all forms >suggested above, there was only one grade listed for Mint Sealed items. >This is because all pieces of a sealed item must also be in the same >condition, since the item was never opened. This now needs to be changed. First, add some example

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25

2000-09-12 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Actually, one more little nagging change? Could we eliminate the hyphen > altogether, making it "FP"? (Just so there's no chance of mix-up with "F".) > Either way works for me, though, LMK your thoughts. I agree with that. Done (but I'll spare the list a resend until

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.25

2000-09-12 Thread C.E. Forman
Actually, one more little nagging change? Could we eliminate the hyphen altogether, making it "FP"? (Just so there's no chance of mix-up with "F".) Either way works for me, though, LMK your thoughts. - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-09-12 Thread Jim Leonard
Hugh Falk wrote: > > I would change it to say "...sealed WITH original factory..." Done. This and some other little niggly bits have been changed, so I'll post another revision of the scale document in a week or so. BTW: Just in case it wasn't implied, you *can* reproduce this document, put i

Re: Vote (Was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2)

2000-09-12 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > Jim Leonard boldly stated: > > > >:) I'm trying to stay away from the term "Mint" since it's so > >overused/misused. Let's take a vote: Who here would like to see > >"Factory-Sealed" on the scale be renamed to "Mint Sealed"? A yay or nay from > >everyone will be enou

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale version 0.21

2000-09-11 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Question about "Fine": If we change it to "F", it will be the same as > "Fair". > > ..or do "Fair" and "Poor" always go together, hence a single entry on > the scale (F/P)? And if that's the case, would you mind if I wrote that > as "F-P" on the Shoppe pages, as it's ea

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale version 0.21

2000-09-11 Thread C.E. Forman
Question about "Fine": If we change it to "F", it will be the same as "Fair". ..or do "Fair" and "Poor" always go together, hence a single entry on the scale (F/P)? And if that's the case, would you mind if I wrote that as "F-P" on the Shoppe pages, as it's easier to decipher "F-P/NM" than "F/P/

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-30 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: >> >> FYI, the scale for comics is Pristine Mint, Mint, Near Mint, Very >> Fine, Fine (FN), Very Good, Good, Fair (f), Poor, and Coverless. The > >See, that sounds just crazy to me. That many grades means that the subtle >differences, if any,

RE: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-30 Thread Hugh Falk
I would change it to say "...sealed WITH original factory..." -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > &

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-30 Thread Jim Leonard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The reason I mentioned shrink-wrapped was because the description of FS (don't have >it handy now) uses the words "shrink-wrapped" in it somewhere, which it shouldn't. Checking... Version 0.2 (current version) says: - Factory Sealed (FS): No noticable defects and

Re: Vote (Was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2)

2000-08-30 Thread Lee K. Seitz
Jim Leonard boldly stated: > >:) I'm trying to stay away from the term "Mint" since it's so >overused/misused. Let's take a vote: Who here would like to see >"Factory-Sealed" on the scale be renamed to "Mint Sealed"? A yay or nay from >everyone will be enough. Yay. -- Lee K. Seitz * [EMAI

Re: Vote (Was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2)

2000-08-30 Thread C.E. Forman
I second Hugh's opinion. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:22 PM Subject: RE: Vote (Was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2) > Yay. > > Mint Sealed should be as close to perfect a

Re: Vote (Was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2)

2000-08-30 Thread Chris Newman
Yea -- a sealed item can be both mint or utterly destroyed. "Mint sealed" adds a level of refinement to the grade. Chris Jim Leonard wrote: > "C.E. Forman" wrote: > > > > > Now that I think about it, if I were doing such a scale (and I've been > > > thinking about formalizing my personal scale

RE: Vote (Was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2)

2000-08-29 Thread hughfalk
: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Vote (Was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2) "C.E. Forman" wrote: > > > Now that I think about it, if I were doing such a scale (and I've been > > thinking about formalizing my personal s

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Okay, this version fits my current needs, so I can stop bitching now. B-) Never a bitch! I specifically created this list so that we could all agree on the scale before it goes "final". I *wanted* your comments and suggestions (and I see I have more to read, so I'll s

Vote (Was: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2)

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > > Now that I think about it, if I were doing such a scale (and I've been > > thinking about formalizing my personal scale for video game cartridges > > for a long time), I would not make "factory sealed" a condition, but > > rather something that should be noted separatel

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Leonard
Chris Newman wrote: > > Now that's unusual because in the comic book world, at least as I remember it from > my collecting days 20 years ago, a "fine" rating is strictly middle of the road! > It is quite interesting the way related media can evolve along different paths. Agreed. The numismatic

Re: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-29 Thread hughfalk
The reason I mentioned shrink-wrapped was because the description of FS (don't have it handy now) uses the words "shrink-wrapped" in it somewhere, which it shouldn't. My other point was that FS isn't a good description of the condition. It sounds like you're saying (as I was)that FS means "no

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Leonard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Looks really good to me. One point I'll mention is that Factory/Store sealed >doesn't necessarily mean shrink-wrapped at all. Which is why I used the term >"sealed" instead of "shrinked." Many packages (especially now-a-days) are sealed >only with a little quart

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-29 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > > And what the hell is the difference between Mint and Pristine Mint? Can't > > there be only one Mint? > > I totally agree. The term "mint" is so overused anyway (second only to > "rare"), > who needs "mint", "mint mint", "MINT mint mint", etc.? B-) You forgot "mint

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-27 Thread C.E. Forman
> That's a very good point, and I'll change the wording of that for version 0.3. > Can I have your permission to quote sections of the above? Of course. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to t

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-27 Thread C.E. Forman
> Like Chris, I have a slight problem with pre-published determinations of dollar > value. A copy of Clandestiny can be in perfect condition, and rare, but be > nearly worthless monetary-wise because it's such a crappy game. Or, a > real-world example: A dealer can list something in bad conditi

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-27 Thread C.E. Forman
> And what the hell is the difference between Mint and Pristine Mint? Can't > there be only one Mint? I totally agree. The term "mint" is so overused anyway (second only to "rare"), who needs "mint", "mint mint", "MINT mint mint", etc.? B-) --

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-27 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > Again if you're using this to grade the overall package I'd personally > prefer > to avoid grouping missing ref cards in here, as they're minor and shouldn't > significantly devalue an otherwise VG+/NM package. Maybe clarify this? I fixed this in the version 0.2 that I

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-27 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > C.E. Forman boldly stated: > > > >> Q: Why isn't "Rare" on the grading scale? > >> A: "Rare" isn't an indication of condition; it's an indication of value. > > > >This is nit-picking, but I would like to point out that rare does not > >necessarily > >equal valuable, it m

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-27 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > FYI, the scale for comics is Pristine Mint, Mint, Near Mint, Very > Fine, Fine (FN), Very Good, Good, Fair (f), Poor, and Coverless. The See, that sounds just crazy to me. That many grades means that the subtle differences, if any, between Very Fine and Fine get argue

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-25 Thread Chris Newman
Now that's unusual because in the comic book world, at least as I remember it from my collecting days 20 years ago, a "fine" rating is strictly middle of the road! It is quite interesting the way related media can evolve along different paths. Chris P.S. Sorry for not contributing to the group!

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-25 Thread C.E. Forman
> Now that I think about it, if I were doing such a scale (and I've been > thinking about formalizing my personal scale for video game cartridges > for a long time), I would not make "factory sealed" a condition, but > rather something that should be noted separately. (Partially as an > explanati

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-25 Thread ZZyzx000
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:36:39 -0500, you wrote: >Okay, this version fits my current needs, so I can stop bitching now. B-) > >Replacing VG+ with FIne was definitely a wise move -- thanks to whoever >first suggested it... Lee, I think. > In the used book world, FINE is the highest rating without a

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-25 Thread C.E. Forman
Okay, this version fits my current needs, so I can stop bitching now. B-) Replacing VG+ with FIne was definitely a wise move -- thanks to whoever first suggested it... Lee, I think. - Original Message - From: Jim Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-25 Thread Lee K. Seitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] boldly stated: > >Sorry, meant to say "Jim,..." below. Well now you've gotten my opinion anyway. Thanks for clarifying, though. -- Lee K. Seitz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/ Wanted: | Visit the Classic Video Games Nexus Vint

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-25 Thread Lee K. Seitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] boldly stated: > >Lee, any thoughts on my comment that "Sealed" isn't really a representation of >quality? Uh (Thinks: Why did Hugh single me out? I only made like one or two comments on the scale.) Now that I think about it, if I were doing such a scale (and I've been

Re: Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-25 Thread hughfalk
Sorry, meant to say "Jim,..." below. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Lee, any thoughts on my comment that "Sealed" isn't really a representation of >quality? Hugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's an updated version of the Scale document, still a work in progress. The most significant change was

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale, version 0.2

2000-08-25 Thread hughfalk
Lee, any thoughts on my comment that "Sealed" isn't really a representation of quality? Hugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's an updated version of the Scale document, still a work in progress. The most significant change was based on a suggestion from Tom Hlavendy and Lee and others on the m

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-25 Thread Jim Leonard
"Lee K. Seitz" wrote: > > Since you're asking, I really think you shouldn't have two conditions > with such similar names. I think it will lead to confusion. Perhaps > they should be FS, NM, VG, G, Fine, and Poor instead. (VG+ becomes > VG, VG become G, G becomes Fine, and drop the Fair off F/

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-25 Thread Jim Leonard
"C.E. Forman" wrote: > > This is a great idea! I have a large number of Infocom "Cutthroats" > packages in varying condition that I could donate scans of. That is too wicked, Chris. I will ask you for pictures of those when I get the full page online. -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's

Re: [SWCollect] MobyScale 0.1

2000-08-20 Thread hughfalk
Looks really good to me. One point I'll mention is that Factory/Store sealed doesn't necessarily mean shrink-wrapped at all. Which is why I used the term "sealed" instead of "shrinked." Many packages (especially now-a-days) are sealed only with a little quarter-sized sticker on the top and b

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