Salut,
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 08:38:23AM +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> > Can you give me a legal guarantee that tcpdump will in no case be considered
> > as a hacker tool? No, you can't. It always depends on mood and understanding
> > of the judge in question, and potentially other factors.
>
>
Salut,
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 05:01:08PM +0100, Ihsan Dogan wrote:
> >> Instead of educating politicians it would make more sense, if the IT
> >> people would be more involved in politics. The IT industry is doing more
> >> for the GDI (BIP) than the farmers, but unfortunately we are not organize
Salut,
Am 23.3.2009 23:13 Uhr, Tonnerre LOMBARD schrieb:
>> Instead of educating politicians it would make more sense, if the IT
>> people would be more involved in politics. The IT industry is doing more
>> for the GDI (BIP) than the farmers, but unfortunately we are not organized.
>
> That's m
Am 23.3.2009 17:44 Uhr, Rainer Duffner schrieb:
>> Instead of educating politicians it would make more sense, if the IT
>> people would be more involved in politics. The IT industry is doing more
>> for the GDI (BIP) than the farmers, but unfortunately we are not organized.
>
> We also have no me
Salut,
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 08:24:54AM +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote:
> What!?! Email is not realtime? It sure is like chat. You press send and
> the other side gets the mail instantly. If the mail does not arrive within
> 10 sec the Internet is broken and you should call your ISP.
Are you talkin
On Tuesday 24 March 2009, Claudio Jeker wrote:
[..]
> What!?! Email is not realtime?
I guess venty meant ansynchronous versus synchromous (..phone
calls, which is the very distinction between them. A three way
handschake to make "sure" about something over phones ist much
faster. But just to re
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:53:16PM +0100, Tonnerre LOMBARD wrote:
> Salut,
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:18:08PM +0100, Patrick Tybo wrote:
> >About the blacklist: tcpdumd/snoop and wireshark: no way, maybe
> >metasploit on a gray line, mostly 0day stuff floating from irc to email
> >
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:03:00AM +0100, Martin Ebnoether wrote:
> On the Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 09:37:30PM +0100, Chris Meidinger blubbered:
>
> Hi.
>
> > > Whole industries depend on it. Without e-mail my business would be
> > > dead. In todays world communication is a vital issue to the service
On the Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 09:37:30PM +0100, Chris Meidinger blubbered:
Hi.
> > Whole industries depend on it. Without e-mail my business would be
> > dead. In todays world communication is a vital issue to the service
> > industry.
>
> The question I usually ask people is: "If I gave you a cho
Salut,
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:18:08PM +0100, Patrick Tybo wrote:
>About the blacklist: tcpdumd/snoop and wireshark: no way, maybe
>metasploit on a gray line, mostly 0day stuff floating from irc to email
>to email etc are a real problem.
Can you give me a legal guarantee that tcpdu
On the Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 05:51:33PM +0100, Michael Naef blubbered:
> > People can survive without email
>
> I am tempted to doubt that. The reactions to mail outage suggest
> the contrary ;-)
People will certainly not die of an email outage. But they
suddenly remember they have a phone and c
Salut,
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:46:12AM +0100, Ihsan Dogan wrote:
> Instead of educating politicians it would make more sense, if the IT
> people would be more involved in politics. The IT industry is doing more
> for the GDI (BIP) than the farmers, but unfortunately we are not organized.
That'
On 23.03.2009, at 21:31, Andreas Fink wrote:
> On 23.03.2009, at 18:28, Rainer Duffner wrote:
>> Michael Naef schrieb:
>>> On Monday 23 March 2009, Rainer Duffner wrote:
>>> [..]
People can survive without email
>>>
>>> I am tempted to doubt that. The reactions to mail outage suggest
>>> the
On 23.03.2009, at 18:28, Rainer Duffner wrote:
> Michael Naef schrieb:
>> On Monday 23 March 2009, Rainer Duffner wrote:
>> [..]
>>
>>> People can survive without email
>>>
>>
>> I am tempted to doubt that. The reactions to mail outage suggest
>> the contrary ;-)
>>
>>
>
> Well, it depends.
> I s
Michael Naef schrieb:
> On Monday 23 March 2009, Rainer Duffner wrote:
> [..]
>
>> People can survive without email
>>
>
> I am tempted to doubt that. The reactions to mail outage suggest
> the contrary ;-)
>
>
Well, it depends.
I survived a week without email on my holiday.
;-)
But ou
On Monday 23 March 2009, Rainer Duffner wrote:
[..]
> People can survive without email
I am tempted to doubt that. The reactions to mail outage suggest
the contrary ;-)
have fun,
Michi
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Hi Folks,
I also thought today that even the Schools for IT should position in
this discussion... I will try to reach the BBW Winterthur which I am a
student of (and some apprentices of members of this mailinglist, too
btw)
I will also try to reach the TBZ in this purpose
I think we s
Ihsan Dogan schrieb:
>
>
> Instead of educating politicians it would make more sense, if the IT
> people would be more involved in politics. The IT industry is doing more
> for the GDI (BIP) than the farmers, but unfortunately we are not organized.
>
>
We also have no means to deliver kilo-gal
Am 20.3.2009 0:29 Uhr, Tonnerre Lombard schrieb:
>> For that it would make sense, if we would get in contact with the
>> political parties. At the moment, it seems that none of the parties in
>> the parliament have an opinion on this issue.
> That is of course also very important. Firstly, politic
Hey guys, the law enforcement offices, sometime using hack/backdoor in skype
or whatever (I've heard about it, rumors or reality?), they will/should be
forced to provide a list of tool they are able to use/abuse to sound
legitimate, isn't it? will be interesting to say the least.
Anyway, this law w
Salut, Ihsan,
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:54:28 +0100, Ihsan Dogan wrote:
> For that it would make sense, if we would get in contact with the
> political parties. At the moment, it seems that none of the parties in
> the parliament have an opinion on this issue.
That is of course also very important.
we have to make sure that they get aware of the issue and that it is a
big concern...
LOBBYING...
On 19.03.2009, at 10:54, Ihsan Dogan wrote:
Am 18.3.2009 19:43 Uhr, Norbert Bollow schrieb:
I believe that in order to agree to be bound to a treaty of this
type, there must be approval from St
Am 18.3.2009 19:43 Uhr, Norbert Bollow schrieb:
> I believe that in order to agree to be bound to a treaty of this
> type, there must be approval from Ständerat and Nationalrat and the
> possibility of a referendum!
For that it would make sense, if we would get in contact with the
political parti
Christa Pfister wrote:
> "One important thing to keep in mind is that signatures under
> international treaties are *not* a commitment to do what the
> treaty says, they are only a declaration of intention to consider for
> ratification that particular version of the treaty." That's an
> interest
Betreff: Re: [swinog] Fwd: Re: "Hackerparagraph"
* on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:15:53PM +0100, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> > * on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:36:35AM +0100, Thomas Dagonnier wrote:
> > > It may be an idea to have a look at the treaty they have
* on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:15:53PM +0100, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> > * on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:36:35AM +0100, Thomas Dagonnier wrote:
> > > It may be an idea to have a look at the treaty they have to implement
> > > : http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/Html/185.htm
> > Shame
edure.
Regards,
Christa
Von: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch im Auftrag von Norbert Bollow
Gesendet: Mi 18.03.2009 12:15
An: Peter Keel
Cc: swi...@swinog.ch
Betreff: Re: [swinog] Fwd: Re: "Hackerparagraph"
Peter Keel wrote:
> * on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08
Peter Keel wrote:
> * on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:36:35AM +0100, Thomas Dagonnier wrote:
> > It may be an idea to have a look at the treaty they have to implement
> > : http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/Html/185.htm
> Shame on whoever came up with this, and on whoever signed this.
* on the Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 08:36:35AM +0100, Thomas Dagonnier wrote:
> It may be an idea to have a look at the treaty they have to implement
> : http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/Treaties/Html/185.htm
I concur, this treaty is shite. It criminalizes various tools instead
of acts, tries to hea
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