On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 22:06 +0200, Rainer Gerhards wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been told that Huawei patents date back no longer than 2001. This
> seems to confirm it:
>
> http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=2&u
> =%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&d=P
Hi,
OK - I blew it.
My apologies to the Working Group and to David for my obvious problem. I
had meant that to be an update to Sam only.
With sincere apologies,
Chris
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Chris Lonvick wrote:
Hi Sam,
Please keep this between us for the moment.
Hi Sam,
Please keep this between us for the moment.
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Sam Hartman wrote:
First, have you looked at the updated IPR disclosure?
Yes. The Cisco lawyer who deals with IPR says that he is confused by it.
He suggests that I ask for a clarification of what is "based on
royalty
to put too much effort into it myself.
Probably those claiming rights should also do at least a little work on
it ;)
Rainer
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Lonvick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECT
FWIW: I agree with Chris proposal and intended course of action.
Rainer
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Lonvick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Draft-ietf-syslog-trans
First, have you looked at the updated IPR disclosure?
You can work on udp and -protocol, and you can even update your
milestones to reflect that. You can get as far as sending me a
publication request for these documents. However I will not take the
documents to the IESG without a security solut
Anton Okmianski (aokmians) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:19 PM
> To: Balazs Scheidler; Rainer Gerhards
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt
>
> I don't agree with putting all work on hold. Syslog-pro
Hi,
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Balazs Scheidler wrote:
On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 09:38 +0200, Rainer Gerhards wrote:
I think using a patented technology inside a standard will definitely
hinder the acceptance of that standard. Especially if it is something as
trivial as syslog over tls. So my vote is t
I'd vote to go forward with publication to standard to bring this out
into the open. This is probably one the sillies patents out and just
shows how fundamentally flawed the system really is.
--
Darren J Moffat
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not a lawyer, so your mileage may vary.
dbh
> -Original Message-
> From: Balazs Scheidler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:39 AM
> To: Rainer Gerhards
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt
>
>
ished patent may be
known.
Thanks,
Anton.
> -Original Message-
> From: Rainer Gerhards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:36 AM
> To: Anton Okmianski (aokmians); Balazs Scheidler
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Draft-ietf-sysl
ler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:39 AM
> To: Rainer Gerhards
> Cc: Anton Okmianski (aokmians); [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt
>
> On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 09:38 +0200, Rainer Gerhards wrote:
> >
On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 09:38 +0200, Rainer Gerhards wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Anton on all important issues. I've read the IPR claim and
> what disturbs me the most is "unpublished pending patent application".
> This sounds like someone took what we have been discussing (and is
> widely dep
June 07, 2006 11:26 PM
> To: David Harrington; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt
>
> Royalty-free does not generally mean free! It means you don't
> charge per-end-user, per-server fee. But it does not mean
> there is not fee. Pl
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> Subject: RE: [Syslog] Draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt
>
> Hi,
>
> Three things:
>
> 1) Whether the patent would survive a check into prior art is not
> something the IETF takes a position on:
>
> Intellectual Property
>
>Th
Hi,
Three things:
1) Whether the patent would survive a check into prior art is not
something the IETF takes a position on:
Intellectual Property
The IETF takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any
Intellectual Property Rights or other rights that might be claimed
to
pert
Hi,
RFC3979 is our guide here:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3979.txt
From Section 2 of that document:
===
RFC 2026, Section 10 established three basic principles regarding the
IETF dealing with claims of Intellectual Property Rights:
(a) the IETF will make no determination about the
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> Subject: Re: [Syslog] Draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls-01.txt
>
> On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:25 -0400, David B Harrington wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As co-chair it is my responsibility to make the WG aware that there
> > has been a disclosure that an unpublis
On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 13:25 -0400, David B Harrington wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As co-chair it is my responsibility to make the WG aware that there
> has been a disclosure that an unpublished pending patent application
> might be infringed by the implementation of the specifications in
> draft-ietf-syslog-
Hi David,
I volunteer to
> 1) a person to check the grammar?
> 2) a person to check the syslog technical parts?
> 3) a person to check compatibility with the other WG documents?
>
> We also need general reviews of the document by multiple people.
>
I can not do
> 4) a person to check the TLS
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