Re: t-and-f: Bucher & Borz

was undefeated > in the Golden League series... ??? It was a Golden League race, and put Bucher in a must-win situation for the last one. Borzakowski did not contest that last race, either. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Goodwill 5000 results

ok won this one, but if they ran that race, that way, ten times, you might see several different winners. They each gambled on being able to win with a sprint. Another thing you have to consider is that this was at the end of a long, tough season; probably nobody felt like putting in a major, fast-pace effort. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Goodwill 5000 results

extra laps or something? No, they read the thread on this list about Harold Norpoth winning a European Cup in 15+, got nostalgic and decided to match it! Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: W 5000 details?

id anybody split Yegorova's last kilo, 800, 400? I guess now people will start keeping track of "non-Chinese, non-Yegorova" lists. >:-) Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Results - Berlin 5K (screaming! fast)

thout EPO, but Yegorova isn't. Wami had 14:30.88 and 14:36.08 before this year, so she has shown no improvement, sudden or otherwise. Radcliffe has several 14:40-range times and some very good 10K's. Tomashove'a PR from last year was 14:53.00. BTW, pace was: 2:55.8, 5:51.2 (2:55.4) - Komyagina 8.44.5 (2:53.3) - Masai 11:39.1 (2:54.6) - Radcliffe, of course last kilo "only" 2:50.3 Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: How about a mile steeplechase?

e 5:06 might be worth right about 4:00. The barriers might alter those ratios, though. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: What do Tiger Woods,

worse than having him play any other sport at an early age. How about what the kid wants to do? What a concept! Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: modified Berlin start lists

Some changes I noticed while once again visiting the ISTAF site: 1500 W Suzy Favor-Hamilton is no longer listed 5000 W Radcliffe now entered, and Leah Malot - still no Szabo 400H W Pernia now entered 400 W Now six entries LJ M Martin Buss, World HJ champion, is entered in LJ Cheers, Alan

t-and-f: ISTAF start lists

isted in W 400, so these may not be final and some listed above as missing may end up there. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Berlin Start Lists

Alan Shank wrote: > > Conway wrote: > > > > Has anyone found start lists for the Berlin meet yet ?? > > > > Conway Hill > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Try: > > http://www.istaf.de/presse/deu/starterfelder.html BTW, there's a little Union Jack i

Re: t-and-f: Berlin Start Lists

Conway wrote: > > Has anyone found start lists for the Berlin meet yet ?? > > Conway Hill > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try: http://www.istaf.de/presse/deu/starterfelder.html

Re: t-and-f: Now I know...

Great race by Borzakowski, who, despite appearances, ran each 200 slower than the previous one, That's not news, that's a typical 800. I'll bet it's news to Larry Rawson! >:-) Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Now I know...

rzakowski moving up on the backstretch, which we wouldn't have seen from a closeup on Bucher and the rabbit. One particularly annoying glitch was when they changed the camera shot twice right at the start of the men's 100. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: Now I know...

mi returned the "favor." Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING - Van Damme results discussed - page down

Well, it's a good thing Suzy "saved herself" for VD - another dnf. Sarah Schwald pr? 4:04.43. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Altitude correction... opinion stands...

n a championship race if you are hindered by altitude. Well, here again, it's quite reasonable to postulate that he is currently able to run under 12:50. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Altitude correction... opinion stands...

1Abdi Abdirahman 28:23.82 > 2Mebrahtom Keflezighi 28:39.64 > 3Alan Culpepper28:49.03 > > Worlds: > > 18 Alan Culpepper28:18.44 > 19 Abdihakem Abdirahman 28:34.38 > 23 Mebrahtom Keflezighi 28:44.48 1) Mebrahtom Keflezighi 27:13.nnStanford, CA altitude probably less than 100m Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Altitude correction... opinion stands...

keter ran a rather insane early pace. The pack didn't stay with him, but still it set up a fast time. The women's races, OTOH, were both quite slow - no one under 15:00 or 31:30, and the men's 10K and SC were quite slow. > > You're going to have to change the times run at Edmonton for me to believe > that the athletes felt an adverse reaction to 2200 feet. See above. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: Stuff from Van Damme site

rt an action against doping as long as it NOT against an athlete, but in favour of and focusing on improving the test procedures." Huh? Who's writing her dialogue? Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Russian athletics considering suing Szabo

ational Olympic Committee (IOC) standards. I read the article. The "Russian Craig Masback" said they could not afford EPO. So far, though, I have not seen any explanation of why she tested positive in the urine test if she had never taken EPO. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Best Competitions

A and B, whatever they might be, when it's really just a matter of personal preference. We might as well argue about what's the "best" color (green, of course). If Conway says, "My favorite World Championships meet was Seville," and Larry says, "Mine was Stuttgart," there's no argument; no one needs to "prove" his preference. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Thessaloniki IAAF Permit. Results

e speed test, dropping down to 800, where she was 3rd in 1:59.38. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: start list for Van Damme memorial - notes

SPN, that is). About 50m of the W 1500, the same of the 3000 and about 200m of the M 5K, all of which were excellent, fast races, judging from the results. Sigh. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: RE: something else to chew on

be a lot of similar color schemes with that many uniforms. I suppose one way to make it easier to recognize them would be to put the nation's flag on the front and back, but then a lot of the flags are pretty similar, too. Can't win, I guess. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Pre's education (was: How to train NOT to be able to kick and win races.!!

x27;t verify this, but my recollection is that they actually ran something over 15:00. I also recall that Norpoth won that one, but I could very well be wrong on both these points. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: RE: something else to chew on

here are bound to be a lot of similar uniforms. One nice thing about the longer races is that you have time to match runners with their hip numbers and then remember faces, running styles, etc., so that by the last lap you know who's who. There was some good spotting going on up there, too. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: Paula Radcliffe's WC/OG races

on, where the issue is usually decided well before the last 400m, although we just saw the men's race in Edmonton decided on the track and the women's just outside the stadium. Trouble is, Tulu has already tried the marathon and has run 2:23:56, so Radcliffe may end up facing the same old obstacle. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: fastest or best?

19, depending on when his birthday is. To me, the fact that these guys (not Hachlaf, who didn't set any pace) are good enough *racers* to make the major championship final despite inferior best times makes it even sadder that they didn't run their own races once having reached the final. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: fastest or best?

ailure > > garantueed - a great way to ruin your sport) 'record potential'. > > > > Regards, > > WK > > I submit that the most exciting race is one that is both fast and > competitive. El G has made sure 1999 and 2001 had both. No, Adil El Kaouche made sure. And Youssef Baba in 2000. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

Randall Northam wrote: > > on 20/8/01 12:21 AM, Alan Shank at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Looking back at Estevez' complaint, I'm coming around to his way of > > thinking. To me, it does "spoil the beauty" of an international > > championship

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championshipraces

resulted in a disqualification. > > > Bob H I never meant, myself, to imply that El G should be disqualified or even that it was unfair; I just don't like it. I feel that if he wants a fast pace he should set it himself. Let his teammate run his own race. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

bit different. She's not the best 10K runner, as El G is the best 1500m runner. Tulu ran a 60+ last lap in Sydney; that's not just an issue of basic speed. Tulu was much fresher than Radcliffe after the same pace. She's just a better 10K runner than Radcliffe. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: How to train NOT to be able to kick and win races.!!

) who advocated long, slow distance and very little running at race pace or above. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

don't think El Guerrouj needs an advantage. If he is concerned about Ngeny's or Estevez' finish and wants a fast pace, then he should have to take the risk, as Paula Radcliffe has, of making it his kind of race. Here's hoping when/if El Guerrouj contests the 5000 final in Paris 2003 that any other Moroccans who may be in the race will be running for themselves! Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: no Favor-Hamilton in 1500

I don't see Suzy Favor-Hamilton's name in the 1500 start list for Zurich. Guess she "saved it" for nothing! Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: Women's marathon in the stadium

sher or more labored, etc. I was in hog heaven Thanks, Edmonton and Bob. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: RE: Post Edmonton thoughts

attention to each one, watching and recording every attempt, keeping track of the standings, etc. Aside from the ripoff of the first day, when we paid $130 Canadian to see almost nothing of the men's marathon, I enjoyed the meet immensely. Separate post about the coverage of the women's marathon to follow. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Re: starts (was Linford Christie interview)

t of the timer? Seems very > inconsistent to me. No at all, because the human timer is supposed to have the reaction time at the beginning and at the end, so that the beginning reaction time is not part of the final time. Their failure to do this is the reason for the .24 and .14 adjustment ru

Re: t-and-f: Re: starts (was Linford Christie interview)

e recall gun. Otherwise, not. It's sort of like the issue with automatic timing, where I believe .05 was subtracted from the auto time to get the official time. Then that practice was stopped. Jim Hines 9.90 was changed to 9.95, wasn't it? Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: 2 tix to Opening Ceremoney, men's marathon

My friend Jim Rorick, former T&F N statistician, has two tickets in section Y (across from finish line) for the Friday evening session. He would like to sell them for $65 US each, or best offer. Anyone interested, reply to me and I will try to act as middleman. Looking forward to Edmonton,

t-and-f: Kuts rolling over in his grave!

Not a single Russian male entry from 800m through the marathon! Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: US team

included "any other athlete on the Team USA roster." Talk about leaving your options open! I guess that means Marion. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING - USATF RESULTS DISCUSSED - DO NOT PAGE DOWN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE

after first doing so. What's the record for most years in between a World Championship, especially in a sprint event? Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:52:52 -0400

lacking. I thought Liquori and Shorter did OK, although at one point Liquori, in the women's marathon, equated a 30-second lead to 250y. Wow! Sigh, Alan Shank > > > That was just 16 years ago (not 46) ... but something happened 3 years later > that made it almost impossible to win 5k/10k doubles in the World's or > Olympics.

Re: t-and-f: Suzy = Julia

is is very hazy, but I thought there was some medical reason discovered. I don't recall Julia doing anything in track this past season. Don't know whether she is still at Stanford. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Suzy revisited

the finish line. > 3.It is a pattern when you're dehydrated and exhausted. > 4.As Bill Scobey has already pointed out, 3:57.40 is hardly mediocre, nor is > almost > beating Gabriela Szabo at Pre and pushing Regina hard at the Oly trials. > > 4 excuses by Alan Shank to further i

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

of a 4:00+change 15. BTW, there's no way Szabo gained 30 in 50. Picture this: Suzy has 50m to run, and Szabo has 80m to run. If Suzy slows to an 80-second 400 pace, it takes her 10 seconds to finish. For Szabo to catch her, she has to run 80 meters in 10 seconds, a 50-flat pace for 400. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Suzy revisited

lps! > Why is it that depsite her world leading time that she was NOT > picked to medal in the OG? That was not unreasonable, but I'm not sure the T & F N predictions, as published, took into account her Oslo run. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Suzy Hamilton Interview = High Anxiety

e extreme. To have a medal, any medal, in the Olympics or World Championships, would have meant a great deal to Suzy, or most any other runner. She didn't just fade, she didn't just stumble; she collapsed! Then she collapsed again after making it to the finish line. She was not physically right. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Suzy revisited

is no shame, either. It sounds like, for you, it's winning or nothing. If Suzy had won a silver or bronze medal in Sydney, would you have considered that a "fall?" > But Regina has been the one > struggling to gain sponsors, and Suzy has been the one naked in Nike ads, > even when she was hurt! I guess Suzy should disfigure herself. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Suzy revisited

ttern? It is a pattern when you're dehydrated and exhausted. > I am starting to see that in American we value and reward mediocrity on the > world level in the distance events. As Bill Scobey has already pointed out, 3:57.40 is hardly mediocre, nor is almost beating Gabriela Szabo a

Re: t-and-f: Interior 1000 Issue

CHRIS KUYKENDALL wrote: > I just wanted to pop in here to say that Alan Shank a few days ago, > notwithstanding a little flak he took, had some validity to the statistical > point he was making. I wrote, on the women's Olympic 1500: > > < be the interior 1000 of 2:39

Re: t-and-f: devers

Jack Pfeifer wrote: > Re Devers in GP start list: Does she have to run at this meet to get > her share of the million$ won earlier this year? That's part of the deal, but I don't know whether there can be an exception if a person is injured. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Peter Snell - 800/1500m all-time list

didn't he beat all the 1960 OG 800 medalists in one race? My memory is probably shaky here, and I don't have my old TFNs, so I apologize if this is way off. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Re Suzy's place in history

for her last 100. If she hadn't had to hurdle someone, she would have won, IMO. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Re: Malmo's comments on El Guerrouj and Coe

gt; discussions. Huh? Don't you mean, "few would argue AGAINST Coe being included in both"? Sure, he should. > My question is, are there any other athletes that would rate as well in both > debates? Peter Snell? Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Olympic stat trivia: Marion's 5; world records; USA medals

a comparison between Sydney 2000 and the '99 and '97 (no WC in '98) . I think the two recently-added women's event were not held in '97. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Women's 10,000m Report

urday late-night segment on videotape, but haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I have almost all of the NBC coverage during the track week on tape, and face a huge task of editing it down to just the track competition, which will probably fit on one tape! Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Brown hails setback for blood dopers

when victory went to Ethiopia's Million Wolde. That's no evidence at all. It's not unusual for championship races to be very slow, tactical affairs with fast finishes. There was a European Cup race back in the '70s, IIRC, that was won in over 15 minutes by Harald Norpoth, IIRC. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Suzy's Place in American (Olympic Metric) Mile History

f on the last turn, coming back with a great stretch run to win her 2nd gold of the WC, after having beaten Kazankina head-to-head in the 3. Mary Slaney could do it, and did it. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: WARNING- MARATHON RESULTS DISCUSSED

arl 49.19. I guess the really fast legs were pre-'90 and can be attributed to ... Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING- MARATHON RESULTS DISCUSSED

After all, FloJo ran about 48.1 in Seoul. Does anybody know what kind of splits some of the other anchors ran? Like Cathy Freeman? None of the teams rans very fast, so maybe it was windy. Marion did run a fine tactical race, however, blowing everyone away down the stretch to give Latasha an insurmountable lead. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: TV alert - M 5K W 10K late night

the evening session tomorrow. Again, I'm taping it all, just in case. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING! NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED

trigrew, Calvin and the "other MJ." Nigeria and Jamaica in the 2:58s get 2nd, 3rd. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Olympic racing

ing able to "race." > It's time there was another debate on the use of pacemakers on the circuit. > Clearly they've been there for too long to be outlawed completely, but > perhaps we could insist that they finish the race, or something. If a runner gets used to havin

Re: t-and-f: 1500 comments

wonder if he's on the >downslope of his talent now, as Morceli was a few years ago. He's only 26. I would expect that he will bounce back, and possibly improve some again. There are World Championships next year. Let's not forget that El G has two WC gold medals; it's not like Ron Clarke. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: slow 800 meter final

t 1:32.3 with 100 to go, so he ran 12.8 or so, while Kipketer was 1:32.6. They didn't even have a screamingly-fast last 100 or 200. It was just slow, very similar, in fact, to the 1980 final. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING - "NOT-YET-BUTCHERED" RESULTS DISCUSSED

:35.50, Diaz (ESP) 7th 3:37.27 and Jason Pyrah 10th in 3:39.94. Saturday's finals Will Marla Runyan set the pace for Suzy? In her interview after she squeaked into the final, she said she'd be willing to help Suzy win a medal. W 10K should be a fantastic race. Beware that it may be on the late-night NBC session. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: El Guerrouj

an Olympic gold in his career, although if course he would > not be the first great to suffer this fate. The "rightful" champion is the one who wins the race. It's not as though something untoward happened to El G; he even had his own "pacemaker." He just got beaten by a better man on the day. Considering Ngeny's age, it may have been El G's last chance! Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: splits from W 5K, M 10K

" 10:55.5 (2:47.4) Ivuti 13:45.9 (2:50.4) Nizigama (27:31.8 pace) 16:31.2 (2:45.3) Ivuti 19:24.7 (2:53.5) Nizigama 22:04.5 (2:39.8) Korir 24:44.1 (2:39.6) Korir 27:18.1 (2:34.0) Geb (13:32.2 last 5K, 7:52.4 last 3K) Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED

W 400 R first round PAGE DOWN In heat 4 USA ran Gaines, Edwards, Perry and Richardson, won in 42.92. Russia 43.15, Nigeria 43.28 Interesting - saving Marion's legs vs. getting the passing practice they need. Other teams: Jamaica - Lawrence, Campbell, McDonal, Frazer Bahamas

t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS 400m Relay

. Ghana dnf In women's 400m R, USA results not yet up. In heat 1, Australia dnf. In heat 2, Jamaica 42.46, Germany 42.82, UK dnq. In heat 3, Bahamas 42.58. More later. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED

67' 5 1/4")in the last round. Here again, I'm not sure whether they swith the order after the first 3 rounds, but, if so, Peleshenko had the last throw, and it was 19.60, about a meter short. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: The relays start today!

l, with 5 heats qualifying 3 + 1 to the semis at 21:30 local. The women have just semis and final. The Web site has start lists, but they just list countries, not runners, so we'll just have to wait and see. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Men's 200m - RESULTS INCLUDED

r the sprints but terrible for the distances. When was the last sub-2:10 marathon in a WC or Oly? I think it's great that the weather is nicer for the longer events this time. Also, the winds have often been in the sprinters' faces (-0.6 mps for M 200 final). Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: What time was 800 on TV?

't care about to get to what you do care about. I'm taping EVERYTHING, then will go back and edit out the precious few jewels for my permanent collection. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Konstadinos Kenteris?

ing in, and was not among the 10 in T & F News' predictions. I don't know whether that is the same guy as Kenteris, but Greece did not enter anyone named "Kederis." Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING - NOT-YET-TELEVISED RESULTS DISCUSSED

mi with Crowley, Rogachova, Iagar, Holmes (bronze 800), Runyan, Chojecka. Szabo, Dulecha, Ouaziz, Sacramento, Szekely, Weyermann (hope she gets knocked down!!!) in other semi. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Two of the greatest female athletes of all time face different fates

ssary. NBC, > naturally, ignores here WC golds in the hurdles in order to "pump up > the drama." Let's not do the same. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: JAMES CARTER TAUNTING IN 400H

ompetitors down. Here's hoping Carter finishes out of the medals and then I will be glad to "turn Jim Gray loose on him." Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING - not-yet-televised results discussed

e, especially with no one close to her. Thanou silver, Lawrence edges Ottey for bronze. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Abdi

ied auto) in the first heat, in 28:09. All the time qualifiers, including Meb, came from the second heat. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: NBC's first OG T&F day = 58%

e, this is carefully planned to keep you watching through the stuff you're not interested in, fearing to miss something you are. The only real solution is to tape everything, then edit later, if you can afford all that videotape and have the time to do the editing. I would imagine you could get all the actual track event coverage on a single six-hour tape, no? Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: WARNING - comments on first-day RESULTS below

es winning by .16, with 11.08 the next fastest, by Ottey and Pintusevich. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: Fwd: t-and-f: "5 gold medals"

etty sure that FloJo anchored against Bryzgina, who was the 400m individual champion. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: "5 gold medals"

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What makes anyone think the US is going to put someone who has only run one > 400 all year on the anchor of the 4x400? How many 400s had FloJo run in 1988? Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Jones' path clears for 100m

Conway wrote: > Alan Shank wrote: > > > Agree here. But still, undefeated is undefeated. I think she was a lock, > Inger > > or no. > > If Miller can't run the relay, it puts more emphasis on the baton passing. > > Again this is the Olympics and anythi

Re: t-and-f: Jones' path clears for 100m

she has only broken 21.80 twice, one of > those at altitude .. Actually she's only broken 21.90 4 times with 2 of > those being at altitude Agree here. But still, undefeated is undefeated. I think she was a lock, Inger or no. If Miller can't run the relay, it puts more emphasis on the baton passing. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Jacobs/toughness

ar, compared to prior years or quite a few years ago, do not constitute evidence of drug use. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: Jacobs/toughness

She didn't even set a PR in the 1500. Crazy fast times? The 5000 is certainly within the capabilities of a 4:00 1500 runner, given the right training. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: mystery solved?

personal bests... > > Lists appear to have been posted yesterday afternoon. Does anyone know if > these are the final postings? I see that Regina Jacobs is still listed as a USA entrant in 1500, so I assume they're not final. She will be replaced, right? Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: ESPN Coverage

race. Overall, however, this coverage showed a lot more actual action than NBC's coverage does, which is great. Cheers, Alan Shank

Re: t-and-f: LIst Supervisor - new responsibility?

lay This gives you feet and decimal fractions of feet. On my calculator, you can just enter the next metric mark and hit and get the next result, but most calculators don't work that way. Or, you could learn to "think metric," which isn't that hard and just takes a little discipline. Cheers, Alan Shank

t-and-f: El Guerrouj (sp)

Anyone know why Hicham El Guerrouj didn't contest anything at Monaco? Cheers, Alan Shank