Re: t-and-f: Father-son under 4:10 in high school?

the Quintana's (Louis Sr. and Jr.) from Arroyo Grande, CA, both also ran under 4:10 in high school. Louis Quintana, Jr. attended Villanova where he was a pretty good miler and 1500 meter runner, but never recovered from injury and finally gave up on competitive running. Gerald Woodward

Re: t-and-f: Why Willingboro?

Willingboro is also the home of Carl and Carol Lewis and their track coaching parents, who coached at rival schools, but took their kids to practice with them. That is how Carl and Carol got started in track and field. Gerald Woodward A Fellow New Jerseyan transplanted to California

Re: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you think of Milli Vanilli?

the Bruin's dominant streak broken, but knew it could not last forever, just as the Trojan streak of years ago came to a sudden end. Gerald Woodward UCLA Lifetime Alum

Re: t-and-f: Hall-of famer

Yes he was.

Re: t-and-f: What coach has produced the most successful coaches?

To add a few more Bruins under Coach Bush that have gone on to successful coaching careers are: Bob Larson, Warren Edmondson and Jeanette Bolden just to cite a few off the top of my head. Gerald

Re: t-and-f: Mo Greene gets a job

Oh Yeah! We know of Quincy Watts! He is one of the best 400 M runners, and could have been the best ever in the 400M if he had stuck to it. I think Quincy lost his concentration and desire to continue with the 400. I watched Quincy run from the time he was running age group track in the San

Re: t-and-f: 4 event rule (HS)...

Larry, California High School TF athletes have been able to compete in 4 events for over 40 years. As a high schooler, I ran or competed in 4 events in many meets (3 running and 1 field event). It is not unusual to see kids here today running on both relays (4X100) and (4X 400) plus 100, 200

Re: t-and-f: driving times (was: NJSIAA sux...)

Lee, The same is true for meets in California. The State meet moves back and forth between Cerritos (South) and Sacramento (North). It is a ten to twelve hour drive for some schools (drive time at 65 mph). Gerald W.

Re: t-and-f: Man vs. Beast

Yes, unfortunately I have seen the ads. Someone needs to talk to them and tell them that the Olympics are not boring! That is how their media hype about the Man vs. Beast ads start out. Another slap at TF is not what we need to see on national TV. Gerald

Re: t-and-f: TFN's centerfold

Edward James Olmos IS a very classy person. I have had the pleasure of meeting him twice at functions in Los Angeles and talking with him. He was very personable and thanked me profusely for telling him how much I admired not only his movies and Miami Vice, but also his activism in donating his

Re: t-and-f: USC football

And don't forget they also had a young man named Darrell Rideau (Long Beach Poly teammate of Kareem Kelly) in the defensive backfield. A lot of TF talent on that team. Gerald

Re: t-and-f: NCAA XC on TV?

They ran it in the L.A. area about a week ago at around 1:00 PM in the afternoon while most of us are working! The TV guru's are too hungry for the big bucks to run the program during prime time when most of us could watch. If they had to run it during the day, at least run it at night also so

Re: t-and-f: yelling at runners (was: favortie sport...)

It just goes to show that there are stupid people everywhere in the world! No one ethnicity, religion, group, etc. has a captive grip on it. It is everywhere Gerald

Re: t-and-f: The REAL athlete of the year

I can understand Lance Armstrong, Tiger Woods, and Apolo Ohno being in the top five and Tim Montgomery should have been right up there as a world record breaker. The rest should be ranked below Montgomery. The bias of the voters comes through again as they just totally overlook TF as a

Re: t-and-f: Photos of record man Erwin

Alright Erwin!! I just hope to make it to 100 if I'm in fairly good health. Woody

Re: t-and-f: That's my $125 Once A Runner on eBay!!!

Keith, You shouldn't be so narrow minded when it comes to religion. There are people on this list of many faiths, and whose religious beliefs are just as strong as yours or stronger. Not everyone is a Christian, nor do they intend to become a Christian. It is not up to you to place judgment

Re: t-and-f: Shore Coaches addenda

Ed, A few years ago, there was a California boy who attended Carson High School (a Los Angeles football powerhouse) in the Fall (he was the quarterback) and North Torrance High School (a South Bay area baseball powerhouse) in the Spring (he was a pitcher). It seems that his parents were

Re: t-and-f: Bob Hayes's 8.6 (LONG)

I have seen that film and Don did a great job in his coverage of Abele Bikila's marathon run. The movie gives background on youth and the courage he showed in running that marathon, barefoot and the courage he exhibited in finishing. Woody

Re: t-and-f: Bob Hayes's 8.6 (LONG)

Whatever the time was, the two fastest closers I have ever seen on a 4 x 100 Relay team, over the last 47 years are Bullet Bob Hayes and Carl Lewis! I would have to believe that Bob Hayes's finish in Tokyo was under 9.0 sec. due to the amount of ground he made up on the other runners and the

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

Jim, While it takes a little longer for the taller sprinters to unwind, there have been a number of 6 footers who have made the top rankings and/or held world records over the last 40 years. Gerald

Re: t-and-f: Lassiter for a Darwin Award

Lynching is not an in thing in this day and time! While disapproving of what he did, your terminology needs to be cleaned up. Woody

Re: t-and-f: thin sprinters

Back in the 50's and 60's when I was running in high school and college, this was pretty typical of the top sprinters with a few exceptions like Bob Hayes, Ray Norton, (?) Smith (Occidental College in Eagle Rock, CA - 9.3 sec 100 yards, 1960), Dave Sime and Bobby Joe Morrow. Tommy Smith, John

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

Dan, This is what I was trying to say in my previous email. I was a tall (6' 3, 206 lb.) sprinter (9.6 sec. 100 yards, 21.3 sec. 220 yards). Because of my height and breadth, I could take more advantage of tailwinds than could some of my shorter and smaller competitors (normally 5' 6 to 5'

Re: t-and-f: The state of the art in timing the 100? (;-)

Thanks Benji! I think we all could use a little humor now after the past several days. Woody

Re: t-and-f: Anticipating the Gun (was Assertions)

Jonas, you can perform all the scientific and mathematical calculations based on the builds of the athletes for comparison, but have you measured each of those athletes abilities to perform with a tailwind (+), or with a headwind (-)? As stated in earlier emails, different athletes perform

RE: t-and-f: He's baaack...

He's baaack, but he ran faster as a SOPHOMORE in HS than in this race! I don't think Obea has the dedication, coaching or desire to get really back to where he was as a Senior in HS! Earlier in the year he was scheduled to run in the L.A. Invitational and at Mt.Sac, but bailed out of each of

RE: t-and-f: Indoor Venue trivia question

If my memory serves me correctly, Idaho State College had/has a 200 meter indoor banked track with seating for around 10 to 20,000. Gerald H. Woodward, Jr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Berry Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:06 PM

RE: t-and-f: Bad New for Entine (about Casey)

Marshall (Dysart, Peoria, Az) 78 6.70 ... *Brendan Christian (Reagan, Austin, Tx) 01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated Wed, 6 Mar 2002 8:01:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, Gerald Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I saw Casey Combest run at the Arcadia

RE: t-and-f: Bad New for Entine

I saw Casey Combest run at the Arcadia invitational HS Track Meet in Arcadia, CA about three years ago. He was white, short and fast! It's too bad that he has given up on track this early in his career. He could have been another Bobby Joe Morrow or Dave Sime. I saw Obea Moore at the L.A.

RE: t-and-f: 42nd annual Los Angeles Invitational

at the meets. We just have to find a way to motivate them to attend and support these meets or they will go by the wayside. Gerald Woodward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. Roth Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:30 AM To: TF Listserve

RE: t-and-f: Pound winning PR Battle

John, I'm with you completely on this one. Gerald Woodward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Sun Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Pound winning PR Battle Putting all personal

RE: t-and-f: Reuters version of USATF-Rogge story

Someone needs to expel Dick Pound! This self pontificating idiot had the gall to sit on the Today Show this morning (Monday, Feb 11th) and say that an athlete MUST know everything about any vitamins or supplements they take, even if the label does not indicate that a harmful substance is in it.

RE: t-and-f: Molly Huddle

Ed, It's too bad that High School regulations are not the same across the USA. In California, athletes compete in a team format indoors, but do not wear their school colors or uniforms. They compete as unattached teams. The hypocrisy is that they announce the teams as being from L.B. Poly, or

RE: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...

People are interested in TF and long distance running. I support the L.A. Marathon every year as an amateur radio operator in the Lead Women's Vehicle. The race is fairly well publicized and supported. It is usually televised twice in its entirety on race day, and usually once or twice within

RE: t-and-f: Pre's HS track

That complex is better than the anything we had in College at California Stat University Long Beach! There are very few High Schools and Colleges, that have facilities such as those at Marshfield High! Gerald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On

RE: t-and-f: HS milers - fast boys get better?

Does anyone know whatever happened to Dale Story, Orange HS, Orange, CA? He ran 4:11.0 in 1959, to break the National HS record at that time. I ran the 880 aginst Dale in HS, and ran some 2 and 3 mile training runs with him during the summer between our Jr and SR year of HS. I have been unable

RE: t-and-f: early black U.S. distance (was: we have a winner!

I ran in the High School Division of the Coliseum Relays in 1956. I remember Jerome Walters running and winning the mile in 4:00.8, if my memory serves me correctly. I think his fastest mile ever was 4:00.1. Frankly, I think it was psychological that he never broke the 4:00 minute mile.

RE: t-and-f: Olympic 1500 answer

Gary, The second half of the list all ran the metric mile to conclude the Decathalon. They would have been smoked by the guys in the first half of the list including Sydney Maree and Aric Long! Gerald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of

RE: t-and-f: time for a summit meeting

There are a lot of good things about Moscow, but the Russian mafia and its violent behavior make it a dangerous place to visit! There are very few places that I won't go, but until things change, Moscow is not on my list. Gerald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Re: t-and-f: Pre-league records

If an athlete set a record at a school, the record would stand as the school record, but not as the league record if they were not in the league beforehand. If the school changes leagues due to reorganization, etc., the record still stands as the league record. I have seen this occur in the

RE: t-and-f: 1500 meter standards for IAAF Worlds

Dr. Armbrust,, I couldn't have said it any better!!! Gerald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wayne T. Armbrust Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: 1500 meter standards for IAAF Worlds

RE: t-and-f: 1500: ain't we got fun?

his career short. I thought he was going to be one of the young guns to take over the 1500 and mile for the US. He definitely had the will to do so. Gerald Woodward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Rubio Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002

RE: t-and-f: what's a world-class sprinter?

, 2001 5:01 AM To: Gerald Woodward; Ed and Dana Parrot; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: what's a world-class sprinter? To quote my college coach (who likely borrowed it from somebody else), When ifs and buts are candy and nuts we'll all have a Merry Christmas. There are a handful (less than

RE: t-and-f: what's a world-class sprinter?

Having been a sprinter/quarter miler who played football at the high school, college and semi-professional level, I can vouch that there are many football players with world class speed! Many football players ran track, but felt their best odds of making a living ($$$) was in football, left

RE: t-and-f: Of several things

UCLA and run close to home, I know his choice of Georgetown and coach Gagliano was the best choice. We are glad to have Bryan back in good health, close to home, and working with Coach Gag's once again. Gerald Woodward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

There are lots of fat and obese folks in California! I unfortunately am on the edge of that category myself. I am overweight also! Gerald Southern California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Tuesday, November 13,

RE: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

ED, You hit the ball on the head in that distance running, football, and basketball are different sports requiring different types of training. i will say that distance running and basketball come the closest as to the aroebic and anaroebic types of conditioning. Football is another matter. I

RE: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

barely break a sweat compared to the competition. Come on now. Alan http://www.geocities.com/runningart2004 From: Gerald Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Gerald Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED], Oleg Shpyrko [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: TFMail List [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers

Richard, Football and basketball are not sprint for 4 seconds and stand around for 10 minutes sports! I would like to see how many runners can play football or basketball without going through the additional conditioning drills required to play those sports! I can guarantee you you that they

RE: t-and-f: Rabbit Run or Rabbit at Rest?

Over the years I can remember a number of rabbits who led all the way and won the race. They ran the pace they were supposed to run, but no one followed. The rabbits did their job and decided to hang in the race because no one was on the pace with them! they deserved to win and earned their

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

is that they achieved their accomplishments over a series of days. Jesse Owens achieved his in a matter of minutes! No one else has done that in college competion nor in the Olympics! Gerald Woodward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

I not only know who Horace Ashefelter is but saw him compete in many meets! Gerald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Bahnfleth Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:28 PM To: Christopher Goss; Hanks, Jeffrey S; 't-and-f@darkwing.

RE: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

As I recall, Jesse Owens four wins at the Big Ten Cchampionships also set World Records? That has to be the greatest feat by an athlete in a single day! I love Ali, Lance Armstrong, etal, but I don't think they come close. Gerald -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: t-and-f: `Yes, Ben Johnson could have been innocent'

Bah Humbug!!! Ben Johnson had a pulled hamstring two or three weeks prior to the Olympics in '88 and then breaks the WR? Give me a break! He was so full of juice, the others in the 100 field should also have tested positive just from being near him Gerald -Original Message- From:

RE: t-and-f: A note of comparison

I am in total agreement with Bob Hersh. Our war is with the terrorists and not with Muslims/Moslems. If you read the Koran, you will find that what these fanatics believe and practice is not in the Koran. Their leaders have so corrupted the religion of Islam, that what they practice does not

RE: t-and-f: Sprint Medley

Ed, et al, When you attend TF meets, the crowd really gets excited about the relays. Look at the crowds at the indoor meets, the Penn Relays, etc. Relays are what will help bring the crowds back to TF. I still get chills when I remember running in the old L.A. Coliseum Relays, the Compton Cup,

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

, August 30, 2001 7:23 AM To: Gerald Woodward; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: believe it or not Gerald wrote: Obea's problem was that he got mixed up with the wrong crowd, and they messed up his mind. He also got hurt for the first time and did not know how to deal

RE: t-and-f: believe it or not

GH, I was there when Obea ran it! I also followed his career from Age Group TF through his high school years. He ran and my nephew competed in a lot of the same meets, except that my nephew is a few years older than Obea. I also know Obea's mother very well. We sat and talked at many of

RE: t-and-f: lewis/ben

Walt, I was at the Olympics in '88. My friend Al Randall and I were interviewed by NBC on the evening before the big race (Ido not know if it ever aired in the States). We told the interviewers then that Ben Johnson was on the juice! We knew from his performances and injuri8es leading up to

RE: t-and-f: Edmonton Hammer results

hard instead of training. By the way, Bryan ran in the Olympics in Sydney with his hernia as he did not want to let his country, his family or his team down. It did him more harm than good! Gerald Woodward (Uncle) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: t-and-f: Suzy...

like the 4x100 relay at the Sydney Olympics all contribute to the malaise! Gerald Woodward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Contopoulos Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t