Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-07-19 Thread Martin J. Dixon
> > > Does anyone know how much his agent gets? The people who he has handling > > > his finances? etc? After taxes and paying these fees, he won't have as > > > much money as it seems. Not to say its a bad deal. Its a great one. But > > > Mr. Webb, based

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-07-18 Thread alan tobin
an >From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:15:01 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [

RE: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-07-18 Thread malmo
PM To: Michael Contopoulos Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" Ok let's assume that he gives up half to his agent, additional expenses and for taxes. That's probably excessive but lets go with that. That leaves 125,000US. Let's further assume that

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-07-18 Thread Mike Prizy
people who he has handling > > his finances? etc? After taxes and paying these fees, he won't have as > > much money as it seems. Not to say its a bad deal. Its a great one. But > > Mr. Webb, based on his salary, isn't going to be as wealthy as people think. > >

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-07-18 Thread Martin J. Dixon
ng these fees, he won't have as > much money as it seems. Not to say its a bad deal. Its a great one. But > Mr. Webb, based on his salary, isn't going to be as wealthy as people think. > > >From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-07-18 Thread Michael Contopoulos
as people think. >From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:15:01 -0400 > >http://www.was

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-07-18 Thread Martin J. Dixon
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20020718-16634094.htm malmo wrote: > Nope. malmo "thinks" the amount should cover the risk he takes if/when the slimy > John Waters types (agents/shoe geeks) turn their backs on him if/when he becomes > just another runner. > > malmo "thinks" that amount is all fa

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread John Sun
> As far as John Sun's comments are concerned, since > when can business people be counted > on to pay what the appropriate market is? Do a > search and include dot-com and bubble > in your search parameters. Draw your own > conclusions. Business people will only pay what the market demands. Simp

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
It could happen. Dave Sandridge former Van Cortlandt Park XC HS recorder holder once whupped Golden Gloves Champion (and future boxing legend) Sugar Ray Leonard's a$$ in a lockerroom brawl. Like Webb, college (Villanova) wasn't for Sandridge either. malmo >Although Webb's on a slightly higher l

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
Nope. malmo "thinks" the amount should cover the risk he takes if/when the slimy John Waters types (agents/shoe geeks) turn their backs on him if/when he becomes just another runner. malmo "thinks" that amount is all fantasy in the minds of some track fans. malmo >malmo seems to think that if

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread JimRTimes
Although Webb's on a slightly higher level: Can you say "Liz Mueller"? Foot Locker champ went to several colleges, kept leaving because she didn't like the coaches, wound up someplace where the coach allowed her to pick her own races and set her own training schedule. She is now a boxer, figh

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
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RE: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread John Sun
> Suppose (and if Webb took anything less, I would be > surprised and disappointed) he gets: > > a. -1 million dollar signing bonus (I would guess > that is conservative > (that's 50K a year for life invested)) Let's be realistic here instead of throwing all kinds of numbers around. First off,

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Hayward102
I think Webb would have been better off to stay in college, but people are blowing this decision way out of proportion. As far as I have heard he is still going to be getting an education and he will likely be running in some of the same meets he would have at Michigan. It really boils down t

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
I agree with you. And, I hope his decision takes him right to his goals. It is great that we are able to have this debate at all in the U.S. There are a lot of great young U.S. distance runners coming up. I think this issue will be revisited a few times over the next several years. I hope good

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Kurt Bray
I worry about Webb going pro now not over any questions of money nor even educational opportunity - he's an adult now and can judge those things for himself. My concern is that he not harm his development by rushing to jump to a higher level of the sport when he has not yet mastered his curren

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
I said - "one more year of college running would have done wonders for his development - above as well as below his shoulders" - no where did I slam any educational institution! I was not implying anything about GMU. If he can get one more year of college running at GMU, fine. I think one more

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Elitnet
Yep!!! that's a fair projection in the running market. It's just a totally different market in comparison to b-ball or other huge revenue sports. In a message dated 6/21/2002 4:27:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >If Webb doesn't show significant improvement in the next year or two, it's >over.

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Because you were implying that GMU would not be able to do as good a job above the shoulders. Maybe that is true. Is there any empirical evidence in whatever field he was in at UM and whatever he is in at GMU? Somebody must have the answer to that question given how many conclusions are being d

RE: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Fred Finke
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Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Mike Prizy
Martin D. - Please explain to me (Mike P) how - in your opinion, and I presume not in any official capacity with GMU - was my comment offensive to GMU? My previous post: But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Michael Contopoulos
Not running for the NCAA didn't hurt Wilson Kipketer, Hicham El-Gueruej, Haile Gebrelessie or Khalid Kahnnouchi. >From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PR

RE: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread malmo
r the "Salisbury State of the West"? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Fred Finke Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Webb "going pro" Just curious, B

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Shawn Devereaux
The major difference between Webb, Woods, and Bryant is that Woods was guaranteed millions in sponsorships the day he quit college whether he panned out or not. Same for Kobe, plus several million in signing bonuses from the Lakers. I'll take a guess and say that Webb's sponsorship is well below $

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-21 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Is someone privy to his deals? Let's say he was paid the same as Kobe and Tiger then what say you? Some people seem to be strictly looking at the dollars. Take it off the table because we don't know. He thinks he has a good coach who won't screw it up like some people think is going to happen. He

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-20 Thread Mike Prizy
But, I believe Kobe played under 15 minutes per game his first year with the Lakers. We'll never know, but would he have been better prepared for the NBA if he had played two years of college like some other kid named Mike? Also, Tiger was one of the best in the world, and he and Kobe got multi

RE: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-20 Thread Fred Finke
Just curious, But does the name Kobe Bryant come to anyone's mind? (He did it straight out of HS! He did the same thing (yeah, what a stupid move. ;) JMHO, But Scott Radzko got Webb to 3:53. Who is to say Webb will not get better? Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. On the other hand, I co

Re: t-and-f: Webb "going pro"

2002-06-20 Thread Elitnet
Not at all a proper comparison. Tiger and Webb. We are talking whole lot more dollars In a message dated 6/20/2002 8:36:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Would anybody have said to Tiger Woods that he needed to >stay at Stanford through a full four-year ride?