In a message dated 10/25/00 8:27:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< And I must disagree with those who said that track is the most popular
youth
sport. Reasonable people can disagree and what I have seen places track not
even in the top ten. >>
Oddly enough there are g
Randall Northam schreef:
> > Andrew Owusu wrote
> > US is the only country that has 3 major sports (Basketball, Football and
> Baseball) of equal prestige. For the rest of the world, its probably soccer
> leaving Athletics (Track and Field) as a 2nd or 3rd most favorite sport.
>
> Not so in the U
How is the college recruitment of foreign athletes NOT hurting US athletic
development? Foreign athletes must be on a 100% scholarship. With only 12 1/2
scholarships to go around for the men, you'd better be a foreigner or able to score
30-40 points per meet to get a full ride. Compared to foot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Someone help
> me with my 70's history, but I believe in the seventies we won the 100m one
> time, in the 80's we won the race once, in the 90's we won the race none, and
> did not medal in 96.
>
Didn't win the 100 at all in the 70s (Borzov and Crawford), but Lewis
Jamaica has a strong high school tradition. They went to Santiago.
Veronica Campbell ran at the Olympics, she went to Santiago. Why are
people arguing that a high school tradition and World Juniors are mutually
exclusive. I would have thought that they are complementary. Just a
thought.
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From: Jay Ulfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: October 25, 2000 10:43:33 AM GMT
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment
On Tue, 24 October 2000, curtis taylor replied to Andrew Owusu with:
> You're missing the point. The issue is not that recruitment of foreig
In a message dated 10/24/00 10:06:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< The US male sprinters scored Olympic sweeps of all three medals in:
100m - 1904 and 1912
200m - 1904, 1952, and 1984
400m - 1904, 1968, and 1988
The World Champs US sweeps are:
100m - 1983 and
You can breathe a sigh of relief as this may be my last post for a while as
I will be away from my computer.
Peter Stuart is right that the existing programs are good programs - they
are just woefully incomplete and accomplish a tiny percentage of what is
needed. Part of it is that they are "com
On Tue, 24 October 2000, curtis taylor replied to Andrew Owusu with:
> You're missing the point. The issue is not that recruitment of foreign
> athletes is dragging down US track and field as opposed to those that are
> lost to the "big three sports", but that our "farm system" (the NCAA)is
> sp
I guess I really did miss the point. I forgot about one the the main
differences between the Canadian and US systems. Up here the grass roots, or
school system, is for the most part completely voluntary. All most all of
the coachs have a full time job and then coach on the side (and for many
this
-and-f: Embarassment
> Andrew Owusu wrote
> US is the only country that has 3 major sports (Basketball, Football and
> Baseball) of equal prestige. For the rest of the world, its probably
soccer
> leaving Athletics (Track and Field) as a 2nd or 3rd most favorite sport.
Not so in the
> Andrew Owusu wrote
> US is the only country that has 3 major sports (Basketball, Football and
> Baseball) of equal prestige. For the rest of the world, its probably soccer
> leaving Athletics (Track and Field) as a 2nd or 3rd most favorite sport.
Not so in the UK. I would argue that football (s
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Sent: October 25, 2000 3:58:47 AM GMT
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment
I still do not understand some of you guys and I probably won't. As a
foreigner who benefited because of overseas recruiting, it is hard for me to
understand how some lis
Wayne writes:
> > On the men's side we had 2 Americans in both finals of the
> > 100 and 200. I do not ever remember the US sweepine the sprints, and
>only on
> > a few special occassions did we take 2 medals.
>
>The U.S. swept all three medals in '84 in the 200 as I remember.
The US male sp
I still do not understand some of you guys and I probably won't. As a
foreigner who benefited because of overseas recruiting, it is hard for me to
understand how some list members can squarely put the blame of recent sub
par performances (medal count) of the US national team on foreign athletes
o
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On the men's side we had 2 Americans in both finals of the
> 100 and 200. I do not ever remember the US sweepine the sprints, and only on
> a few special occassions did we take 2 medals.
The U.S. swept all three medals in '84 in the 200 as I remember.
--
Wayne T.
There's an obvious reason why college coaches can't be relied upon to develop a
grass roots program. University assistant coaches probably have an average salary
of $10,000 a year for a full-time job. You can barely live in Guatamala on that,
much less the US. Most I've seen either have a second
At 06:17 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> At 04:28 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >I must disagree with Conway's assertion that we have a good junior
>program
>> >and it is the NCAA and JUCO programs. By the time they get to be 18
>years
>> >old it is way too late to really develop the sport.
In a message dated 10/24/00 12:39:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< As a US list member who would rather watch the international competition
in all but the sprints, favors the US qualifying system (Olys), considers
the US to be just as guilty of drug use as anyone, and
In a message dated 10/24/00 8:53:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< The US has a strong high school and collegiate tradition which in many ways
replicates the benefits of junior international competition in Europe.
Bearing this in mind, I am very surprised by the contemp
Ed's numbers do not tell the true story.
Among youth sports track is still among the top, and that has never changed.
The change comes post HS because of dollars, and American societal pressure
to pursue perceived success in the classroom. I say perceived because many
athletes succeed in thei
> At 04:28 PM 10/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >I must disagree with Conway's assertion that we have a good junior
program
> >and it is the NCAA and JUCO programs. By the time they get to be 18
years
> >old it is way too late to really develop the sport. Some sort of
widespread
> >programs need to s
I must disagree with Conway's assertion that we have a good junior program
and it is the NCAA and JUCO programs. By the time they get to be 18 years
old it is way too late to really develop the sport. Some sort of widespread
programs need to start before age 10 so that kids are as exposed to
opp
In a message dated 10/24/00 10:00:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< This is the sort of arrogance which drives non-Americans absolutely nuts.
The fastest US junior this year has run 10.18. MLF has run 10.10, 10.12 and
10.13, the last of those into a headwind. I fail to
n OG semi final would never have been.
Justin
> --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:48 pm
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Mark Lewis-Francis (was: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment)
>
> Nonsense!!! Y
To pick up this point from Darrell:
> the bottom line is that in sprints if the US does not take it
> seriously, it is downgraded, on the international level
>
This is the sort of arrogance which drives non-Americans absolutely nuts.
The fastest US junior this year has run 10.18. MLF has run 1
--- Justin Clouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am very surprised by the contemptuous dismissal of
> world junior titles by certain US list members. But perhaps I should not
> be surprised. It's clear that those same list members consider the US to
> be an extraordinary and unique case as reg
Nonsense!!! You make a terrible assumption and so did he. Who says he will
be back in 2004?! Jason Gardener was the best Brit last year, he got sick at
the WC, and got hurt this year, lost to a 17 yr old phenom, who graciously
gave up his spot for him. Dwain Chambers did not medal, Darren C
Justin wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Darrell says that the US places little importance on juniors, and this
> attitude is also reflected in his view that Lewis-Francis was wasting his
> time at the WJC.
>
> The view on this side of the Atlantic is diametrically opposite. In the UK
> we place an enormous s
Hi All
Darrell says that the US places little importance on juniors, and this
attitude is also reflected in his view that Lewis-Francis was wasting his
time at the WJC.
The view on this side of the Atlantic is diametrically opposite. In the UK
we place an enormous significance on junior competi
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 2:18 am
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Mark Lewis-Francis (was: Re: t-and-f: Embarassment)
>
> ANd what sour grapes would I have? My athlete ran 44.66, the second
> fastest
> time by a junior ever. I have no sour g
Actually, yes I did disagree with Marion. But remember she was not allowed
to go by her mother because of a breach of personal contract. I thought at
that time she should have gone to the Games and competed, of for no other
reason than the opportunity may not come around again. And it almos
ANd what sour grapes would I have? My athlete ran 44.66, the second fastest
time by a junior ever. I have no sour grapes to mash.
And I expect all you saw was him kiss the track. Of course, you missed the
looking back, the yelling at the crowd, the "look at me" theatrics that many
on this li
In a message dated 10/23/00 3:38:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
<< Oh how the vultures come to the carcass. Where were you when the kill was
alive?
The juniors are of very little importance in the US, with very little
attention and emphasis put on them. Every yea
Darrell
Do you think that Marion Jones was also wrong to skip the Olympics when she
was a teenager?
Ed Prytherch
-Original Message-
...
>Mark Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney, period! He opted out of
>Sydney so he could go to Lesser competition, dominate, and "clown" with
his
>fr
DGS wrote
> Mark Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney, period! He opted out of
> Sydney so he could go to Lesser competition, dominate, and "clown" with
his
> friends. How come I have heard no mention of his antics? Were any of teh
> Brits embarassed by his bravado as he crossed the line i
Darrell wrote:
> Oh how the vultures come to the carcass. Where were you when the kill was
> alive?
> The juniors are of very little importance in the US, with very little
> attention and emphasis put on them. Every year the team is made by
choice.
> Many of the top juniors see the Junior's as
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Mark Lewis-Francis should have been in Sydney, period! He opted out of
> Sydney so he could go to Lesser competition, dominate, and "clown" with
his
> friends. How come I have heard no mention of his antics? Were any of teh
> Brits emb
Oh how the vultures come to the carcass. Where were you when the kill was
alive?
The juniors are of very little importance in the US, with very little
attention and emphasis put on them. Every year the team is made by choice.
Many of the top juniors see the Junior's as a second tier meet.
> To be nasty - if the spoiled child doesn't want to come to the party, let
the
> spoiled child stay home.
To call the people who have posted defensive posts on the list spoiled makes
sense. As I said, the U.S. had a terrible showing at what is unquestionably
the premier junior meet in the world
Suddenly responses start to come. A question to especially Andy Ferrara and also
to some others. The opinion here in Europe is that the US would have scored the
weakest performance ever, even if the Champs had been held, say, in late June
(when the Europeans haven't peaked yet and it's really out
One problem could be that most of the top american juniors are in
college. I know that any distance runner is running cross right now and
not thinking of track. If the World Jrs were ran during an american track
season we would see far better results. Later, Rolin Go PILOTS
On Sun, 22 Oct 20
If you think the Olympics were bad, check out the performance of the US team
at the World Jrs in Santiago, www.nationalscholastic.org - thus far, 10/21,
the BEST US effort has been a couple 4th place finishes. NO medals!! What's
going on In the last two World Jrs, the USA won the unoffic
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