[Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Josh Doe
How do we differentiate between driveways and pipestems? Pipestems are common in planned residential developments (at least in the US), where a number of houses are located off a pipestem, each with their own driveways. Maintenance of the pipestem is the responsibility of all the homeowners off tha

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I'm not clear why this is all that different from an alley which might have garages along it. Creating a new tag here seems like overkill to me. Couldn't you just use one of the service values (driveway, alley, or just keep it at service), and add access tag, operator, etc.? I know taxonomies are

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Josh Doe
I need some way to differentiate between pipestems and driveways, because the distinction between the two are very important for my community. Operator and access tags are useful, but they won't help me differentiate between the two. I'm not proposing to create a new tag that becomes standard. If

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/26 Josh Doe : > I'm not proposing to create a new tag that becomes standard. If I have > to I'll just use my_namespace=pipestem, but I'd rather use something > that could possibly be reused by someone else. if it becomes reused by someone else (which would be good IMHO) it is kind of "stan

[Tagging] [OSM-dev] Retrieving Wikipedia Entries Automatically

2011-02-26 Thread Zhijie Shen
Hi developers, If you can remember, I've exchange emails with you to discuss the wiki tag of OpenStreetMap two days ago. Now I have my quick solution, a Wikipedia entry crawler, to get more Wikipedia entries automatically. Here I am eager to share with you, and wish it can be useful. The single Ja

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Retrieving Wikipedia Entries Automatically

2011-02-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/26 Zhijie Shen : > If you can remember, I've exchange emails with you to discuss the wiki tag > of OpenStreetMap two days ago. Now I have my quick solution, a Wikipedia > entry crawler, to get more Wikipedia entries automatically. This sounds very interesting. Maybe we could (instead of re

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] Retrieving Wikipedia Entries Automatically

2011-02-26 Thread Zhijie Shen
Hi M∡rtin Koppenhoefer, Yes, the automatic retrieving can always cause mistakes. Manual check is a good supplement. I think this model has been adopted in many cases. Regards, Zhijie On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2011/2/26 Zhijie Shen :

Re: [Tagging] Boundaries for suburbs

2011-02-26 Thread Tyler Gunn
> is the approximative way to place a label and is rendered by mapnik > is IMHO the "correct" way to do it, but is not recognized by Mapnik. > This is an result of Mapnik rendering the node as a label and > rendering the name of _any_ area at high zoom levels. It doesn't > recognize the boundary re

Re: [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On 02/25/2011 01:18 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 2/25/2011 2:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> On 02/24/2011 07:44 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >>> On 2/24/2011 8:26 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 02/24/2011 11:30 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > That's *one* thing trunk means. Trunk is also used

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:52:39 -0500 Josh Doe wrote: > How do we differentiate between driveways and pipestems? Pipestems are > common in planned residential developments (at least in the US), where > a number of houses are located off a pipestem, each with their own > driveways. A right-of-way in

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/26/2011 5:27 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I'm not sure why you need to differentiate between this and a driveway, but I think the driveway is mistagged if marked highway=service. Do you mark the driveways access=private? The standard for driveways is in fact highway=service service=driveway

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/26 Elizabeth Dodd : > I'm not sure why you need to differentiate between this and a driveway, > but I think the driveway is mistagged if marked highway=service. It is quite common to do so (currently there are 171710 ways tagged with service=driveway, which is a quarter of all values for t

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-02-26 14:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/26/2011 5:27 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I'm not sure why you need to differentiate between this and a driveway, but I think the driveway is mistagged if marked highway=service. Do you mark the driveways access=private? The standard for driveways

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
West Virginia actually maintains and numbers these "pipestems" under the "Home Access Route Program" (example: http://www.gribblenation.com/wvpics/subs/939on11n-kerr.jpg) Before they were given to the state in the 1990s, they were "orphan roads" that were open to the public but not maintained by

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:04:23 -0800 Alan Mintz wrote: > I tag it highway=service + access=private (usually > with evidence from a posted sign at the intersection with the public > road), I'd favour access=permissive rather than private. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:04:23 -0800 Alan Mintz wrote: > >The standard for driveways is in fact highway=service > >service=driveway access=private. > > I don't feel the need to tag access=* on a driveway. It seems that, > wherever I draw a driveway, it's access is the same as the property > to

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Josh Doe
I agree about the access issue, by default for a driveway (or sub-type pipestem :) access should be private, as it's solely intended for the homeowner(s) to drive and/or park their vehicles. As Elizabeth points out, yes, it does require routers to check the sub-type to see if it's a driveway or not

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Josh Doe
Interesting, this is a different definition of pipestem than what I'm familiar with. Pipestems as I know them (at least in Fairfax County, Virginia, USA), are a shared driveway leading to two or more houses. The houses on a pipestem are jointly responsible for maintaining the road themselves. Maybe

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/26/2011 8:01 PM, Josh Doe wrote: Interesting, this is a different definition of pipestem than what I'm familiar with. Pipestems as I know them (at least in Fairfax County, Virginia, USA), are a shared driveway leading to two or more houses. The houses on a pipestem are jointly responsible fo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Steve Bennett
> Perhaps I could use highway=service, service=driveway, and > driveway=pipestem? Suggestions are welcome! >Creating a new tag here seems like overkill to me. >I know taxonomies are fun, but don't see how "pipestem" adds much information. >the distinction between the two are very important for m