Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread José G Moya Y .
Three years ago I read about rules for street vendors in my city, Madrid. The rules design as "street vendors" a mix of: a) Newsagent kiosks and similar (ONCE kiosks). Most of them are permanent, not dismantled at night. b) Churro/french fries/hot dog vans/kiosks. They operate on winter only,

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-27 Thread Warin
With the present OSM interpretation of 'intermittent' being any thing other than perennial, I think there needs to be a new tag to take the place (of what I think is 'intermittent') between seasonal and ephemeral. Present tagging looks to be Perennial: Always has water - OSM default - no sub

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-27 Thread osm.tagging
The real question, which as far as I can tell you haven’t answered, is: Does that same vehicle, after completing its route, start at the beginning of the same route again? Based on your description, the route as mapped is A1->B->C->D->E->A2. Can I get on at E, stay on the vehicle, and

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-27 Thread Jo
An example of a (bus) route that goes out and comes back to the same location. It's not circle shaped at all, but that shouldn't matter for circular route. I removed roundtrip=yes and replaced it with circular_route=yes closed_loop=no If the last way wouldn't be in there, closed_loop would be

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

2018-05-27 Thread Warin
On 27/05/18 21:47, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Sunday 27 May 2018, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: One problem about this proposal is that it implies the proposed tag and intermittent=* are mutually exclusive. This as said simply clashes with the current reality of tagging. ouch, intended meaning

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

2018-05-27 Thread Warin
On 28/05/18 04:42, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Sunday 27 May 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: And natural=grassland + natural:secondary=wood would be a grassland with scattered trees. I like the concept but would use landcover:secondary for the key. Some natural values are describing or

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 28 May 2018 at 09:07, Paul Allen wrote: > How about outdoor_vendor? > > However, both of the examples you give are the sort that usually don't > have fixed assignments for vendors > so you couldn't map them at stall level anyway. > Fair enough on both counts, Would you

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 11:49 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > So for clarification, when there's a market that only operates on eg > Saturday mornings https://www.google.com/maps/@- > 28.0861864,153.4491747,3a,75y,247.72h,87.54t/data=!3m6!1e1! >

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On 27 May 2018 at 23:20, Paul Allen wrote: > >> because they're ephemeral >> > > Or are they intermittent? :-) > I'm glad somebody took the bait. :) -- Paul

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Graeme On 28 May 2018 at 05:06, Paul Allen wrote: > but I'd call them street vendors. > > -- > Paul > So for clarification, when there's a market that only operates on eg Saturday mornings

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 27 May 2018 at 23:20, Paul Allen wrote: > because they're ephemeral > Or are they intermittent? :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Paul Allen
It's bad form to follow up to your own mail, but... On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 8:06 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Mateusz Konieczny < > matkoni...@tutanota.com> wrote: > >> 27. May 2018 15:20 by pla16...@gmail.com: >> > > Take a look at

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 27. May 2018 15:20 by pla16...@gmail.com: > > Is there anything missing? > Having had time to think about it, I don't think that removal, dismantling or even partial dismantling are essential characteristics.

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

2018-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 27 May 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > And natural=grassland + natural:secondary=wood would > > be a grassland with scattered trees. > > I like the concept but would use landcover:secondary for the key. > Some natural values are describing or implying landcover but many do >

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

2018-05-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. May 2018, at 13:38, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > And natural=grassland + natural:secondary=wood would > be a grassland with scattered trees. I like the concept but would use landcover:secondary for the key. Some natural values are describing or

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
27. May 2018 15:20 by pla16...@gmail.com : > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > >> >> 26. May 2018 10:56 by >> dieterdre...@gmail.com >>

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours:sign=no - RFC

2018-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
27. May 2018 15:13 by pla16...@gmail.com : > most importantly, opening_hours:complex=yes. > You joke, but one of tags that I invented this week is access:conditional = complex I did it with parking marked with this beautiful sign:

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 26. May 2018 10:56 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > It should be now covered by > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ > street_vendor%3Dyes#Definition > I mentioned this on the discussion

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours:sign=no - RFC

2018-05-27 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 23. May 2018 01:18 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > > So you propose opening_hours:unsigned=yes? > We can expand upon this. We can have opening_hours:positive=yes, opening_hours:negative=yes,

Re: [Tagging] sale off road, also second-hand.

2018-05-27 Thread liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu
On 27/05/18 01:18, Warin wrote: From https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcar What I'd do is; shop=car secondhand=yes description=off road cars brand=Jeep;Land_Rover;Land_Cruiser;*  -put the brands that it sells here name=* -put the name of the car shop here. Thanks for the

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

2018-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 27 May 2018, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > One problem about this proposal is that it implies the proposed tag > > and intermittent=* are mutually exclusive. This as said simply > > clashes with the current reality of tagging. > > ouch, intended meaning was exactly opposite What you

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

2018-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 27 May 2018, Ture Pålsson wrote: > > How should these areas be tagged in OSM? Some of them have been > imported as natural=bare_rock overlapping with landuse=forest, but > this has led to protests from persons stating that bare_rock should > be used only for areas of naked rock, with

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

2018-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
27. May 2018 11:45 by o...@imagico.de : > On Sunday 27 May 2018, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> I attempted to add something from this very useful summary to wiki in > > Yes, saw it. > > One problem about this proposal is that it implies the proposed tag and >

Re: [Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

2018-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
27. May 2018 12:50 by t...@turepalsson.se : > One of the features in this data is ”berg i dagen”, translated as ”rock > outcrop” on the legend of the printed maps. These areas often overlap forest. > What you typically find on the ground in those cases is sparse

[Tagging] Rock outcrops in forest

2018-05-27 Thread Ture Pålsson
The Swedish Geodetic Survey, Lantmäteriet, have released data corresponding to their printed 1:5 topographic maps under a CC0 license (i.e, compatible with OpenStreetMap). One of the features in this data is ”berg i dagen”, translated as ”rock outcrop” on the legend of the printed maps.

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

2018-05-27 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 27 May 2018, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I attempted to add something from this very useful summary to wiki in Yes, saw it. One problem about this proposal is that it implies the proposed tag and intermittent=* are mutually exclusive. This as said simply clashes with the current

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours:sign=no - RFC

2018-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
23. May 2018 01:18 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com : > Le 23. 05. 18 à 01:03, Warin a écrit : >> On 23/05/18 07:44, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours:sign%3Dno >>> >>>

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
25. May 2018 21:19 by pla16...@gmail.com : > > > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > >> >> 25. May 2018 20:39 by >> craigw84+...@gmail.com >>

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
26. May 2018 10:56 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : > sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:49, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > > >> >> It gets trickier than expected as in some cases there are roofs >>

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

2018-05-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
25. May 2018 11:42 by o...@imagico.de : > On Friday 25 May 2018, Warin wrote: >> >> Intermittent does not equal ephemeral. > > So you have said repeatedly. > > I know this is hard for native English speakers but you need to accept > that tags in OSM do not generally mean