Re: [Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

2018-12-31 Thread Silent Spike
I've recently been more involved with wikidata and come to appreciate the benefits of having a structured set of data interlinked by well defined properties. You can see here that the current information there considers motels to be a subclass of hotels (so

Re: [Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

2018-12-31 Thread Warin
I am getting the same feeling for intermittent/seasonal and ephemeral ... should all be one top level tag. Sigh. n 01/01/19 02:37, Dave Swarthout wrote: Tobias wrote: "Now that several comments here indicate that the only practical distinction today is the name on the front sign I come to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2018-12-31 Thread Volker Schmidt
This is an interesting proposal, but it needs a lot of thinking before we can consider it a working proposal. Here is my lost of *additional points* that need clarification. 1) The problem exists in the same way also for other routes like: route=road|foot|hiking|bus|trolleybus|tram|mtb| So the

Re: [Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

2018-12-31 Thread Dave Swarthout
Tobias wrote: "Now that several comments here indicate that the only practical distinction today is the name on the front sign I come to think that we could abandon the tag altogether." +1 I agree. We tend to "split hairs" in OSM, when in some cases it simply isn't worth the effort. These

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-31 Thread Dave Swarthout
I think tagging trailheads as nodes would work for the great majority of the trailheads I've seen over the years. The first node of a designated footway can be tagged as highway=trailhead, a name or other related tagging added to that, and other amenities such as parking lots, waste bins, toilets

Re: [Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

2018-12-31 Thread Tobias Wrede
In Germany my experience is that actually most hotels in the cities charge for parking. On the other hand you find very very few that call themselves "motel". I can only think of one currently that does, and it is located within a motorway rest area. The exception is the chain Motel One which

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-31 Thread Tobias Wrede
Hi eveyone, Am 21.12.2018 um 19:55 schrieb Peter Elderson: Well, in Nederland I'm through, got them all. To initiate a rendering on osm-carto the usage should increase by some 500+ (now on 1400+). I need Germany or Italy! While on vacation I have mapped trail heads in the US pretty much the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2018-12-31 Thread Axelos
Hello, Paul Allen wrote > On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 at 08:41, Axelos > axelos@ > wrote: > >> >> This is not the same usage, but uses that complement each other. >> >> Super-route: Linking international routes >> Route hierarchy: exploit other routes >> > > A super-relation is a relation that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2018-12-31 Thread Axelos
-- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Tagging-f5258744.html ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2018-12-31 Thread Peter Elderson
A quick progress report. The idea has taken on in Nederland. It appears to be workable because most of the longer routes have been split into sections of one day's walking. The sectioning into relations of <= 300 ways had already been done to make the shirtload of walking route relations

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2018-12-31 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 at 08:41, Axelos wrote: > > This is not the same usage, but uses that complement each other. > > Super-route: Linking international routes > Route hierarchy: exploit other routes > I agree that the main reason superroute was invented was to link international routes. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2018-12-31 Thread Axelos
Hello, Peter Elderson wrote > I think you describe a use case for that. This can be added to existing > "How-to" pages for building routes. These vary somewhat by country, > according to what rules the national community has agreed upon. This is the idea. The problem is to use third-party

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2018-12-31 Thread Peter Elderson
I still think it's the same mechanism. You reuse existing collections of ways to build other collections. I think you describe a use case for that. This can be added to existing "How-to" pages for building routes. These vary somewhat by country, according to what rules the national community has

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2018-12-31 Thread Axelos
Hello, Peter Elderson wrote > Look at Nederland on waymarkedtrails, hiking tab and bicycle tab, to see > this is already working. In the information text they explain how they > handle the hierarchy. I know and I am inspired by it. But is it wise to rely on basic documentation located on a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Hierarchies route=bicycle)

2018-12-31 Thread Axelos
Hello, Paul Allen wrote > On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 18:20, Axelos > axelos@ > wrote: > [...] > >> >> The concept of hierarchical relations makes it possible to avoid this >> edition nightmare, so that one single relation has to be modified, and >> this >> modification is automatically applied