[Tagging] historic memorial (was Re: "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat")

2020-06-21 Thread Marc Gemis
What about a plate that remembers a police officer that was killed in 2002? regards m. On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:28 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 08:11, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> >> you are raising the bar higher than it is. Every memorial is tagged as >> historic

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-11 Thread Marc Gemis
Can you point to some examples? In Belgium and The Netherlands we have node-networks. and some of the routes that are mapped in those networks can be pretty short. The shortest I know is only a few meters long: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1696883#map=19/51.01511/4.44965 regards m. On

Re: [Tagging] RFC ele:regional

2020-05-08 Thread Marc Gemis
> 2) Use ele:datum=unknown as a clue that the data is not that high > quality. or make that the default, so that when there is no ele:datum data consumers have to consider it as unknown . Any ordinary mapper, including myself, just wants to put the number they see on a sign into the database.

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

2020-05-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Florimond Berthoux wrote: > > Hazard tag seems to be used when there is a sign, so I'm not confident to use > it for doorzone. > > There is two choices : > 1. describe the layout of the street lanes + cyclelanes + : parking lane + > sidewalk > then add the widt of

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

2020-05-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 7:54 PM Paul Allen wrote: > I'm not sure we need to tag the carillon. The ones in churches I've > encountered or read about aren't operated as attractions. Not important for tagging, but perhaps worth mentioning. Normally, in summer there are concerts in 3 Flemish towns

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-04 Thread Marc Gemis
Are you planning on repeating this request every 5 months? I thought https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Discussions/tagging/contact:phone_or_phone failed. Wasn't the outcome about 50-50? How will you ever convince half of the voters to accepts the other scheme? regards m On Mon, May 4, 2020

Re: [Tagging] insurance health

2020-04-22 Thread Marc Gemis
I think so, yes. On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:12 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > On 16. Apr 2020, at 11:41, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > > It's a health fund, and every adult Belgian needs to have one > > > judging by their

Re: [Tagging] insurance health

2020-04-16 Thread Marc Gemis
Hello, I created the preset as we needed something to map offices of * Christelijke Mutualiteit (CM) https://www.cm.be/ - on Wikipedia: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsbond_der_Christelijke_Mutualiteiten * Socialistische Mutualiteit https://www.socmut.be/ * Liberale Mutualiteit https://www.lm.

Re: [Tagging] Veterinary pharmacy

2020-03-30 Thread Marc Gemis
AFAIK in Belgium, you can get all medicins for your pets from any pharmacy. In addition, some vets have a small supply of often used medicins that they can sell. Perhaps some of the larger veterinary clinics have a separate counter where you can only get medicins for animals. If you want to map th

Re: [Tagging] Mapping pumps

2020-03-02 Thread Marc Gemis
Please note the existence of man_made=water_well + pump=manual https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Historical_Objects/Karteneigenschaften (search for Handschwengelpumpe) This might have to be mentioned in your proposal. regards m. On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM François Lacombe wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-26 Thread Marc Gemis
What about music festivals? I live close to the area that hosts one of the biggest festivals in the world: Tomorrowland. [1] The festival takes place in a former quarry, which is a park for the rest of the year, although it hosts some smaller yearly events as well. The festival started as a one-day

[Tagging] Photo-stand-in

2020-02-25 Thread Marc Gemis
Hello, would it be OK to use photo_stand_in as value for the playground key? Or is there a better British English word to describe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_stand-in ? Or do you think it does not belong under playground? m. ___ Tagging maili

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?&In-Reply-To=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-10 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:36 AM Florimond Berthoux > wrote: >> >> Le lun. 10 févr. 2020 à 09:49, AndreasTUHU a écrit : >>> >>> I agree that 'surface' tag should be mandatory but in Hungary 54 percent of >>> the mixed foot-cycle-ways misse

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread Marc Gemis
for me, this discussion can be closed if you start rendering natural=hedge in the same colour as barrier=hedge. I would have been nice that we just had such an alternative the moment you changed the rendering. regards m. ___ Tagging mailing list Taggin

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:27 PM Christoph Hormann wrote: > > On Thursday 06 February 2020, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > And I want to end with a quote from {1] > > > > "My approach to this matter has been – from the beginning of my > > contributions to OSM-Cart

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Marc Gemis
> And please keep in mind that - as i mentioned - barrier=hedge is not the > dominant tag for mapping hedges with polygons in the first place - as i > have shown with various links earlier. I only clicked on a few of your examples and had to figure out which areas you meant. But they were outside

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:16 AM Lionel Giard wrote: > > In my usage, i always thought that using a barrier=* + any other main tag was > wrong and widely accepted (as i saw that it was separated in most examples > when i started mapping). Thus my method has always been to map them > separately (

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Marc Gemis
My interpretation is the same as Paul's. Including the not thought through part, as I never needed that. On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:24 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 21:09, Christoph Hormann wrote: >> >> >> closed way, barrier=fence > > > Linear fence > >> closed way, barrier=fenc

Re: [Tagging] bicycle:lanes and foot:lanes on foot-cycle-paths

2020-02-04 Thread Marc Gemis
Hello Volker, you seem to have a typo in the "foot:lanes=no|dsgnated" But when I look at the Mapillary photo's I think there are 2 bicycle lanes (one for each direction) and a sidewalk (there is a kerb) for pedestrians. regards m On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 11:02 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Please

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-24 Thread Marc Gemis
> So for pedestrians, you would add a node on the blue line where it crosses > the centerline of the sidewalk tagged highway=crossing, > crossing=? yes (or combine the crossing for pedestrians and cyclists into one node) and you can add a highway=give_way (or stop) near the node for the kerb as

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-24 Thread Marc Gemis
take this info into account. If you want that, you will have to draw the cycleway as a separate OSM way. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:37 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > > Add a node where the way, which represents the road for the cars, > crosses the cycleway. There does not have to be a way represe

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-24 Thread Marc Gemis
for the cars. regards m. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:49 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > > Op vr 24 jan. 2020 om 07:38 schreef Marc Gemis : >> >> could this be solved with highway=crossing and a new, dedicated value >> for crossing? >> And you could map the kerbs before and a

Re: [Tagging] Continuous Sidewalk or Cycleway

2020-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
could this be solved with highway=crossing and a new, dedicated value for crossing? And you could map the kerbs before and after that crossing. regards m On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 7:29 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > > YM like here? > https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.0817214,4.3213884,3a,48.3y,87.48h,9

[Tagging] Disused/abandoned bunkers (was Re: building=disused)

2020-01-17 Thread Marc Gemis
What about disused bunkers? I would expect them to follow the same rules as "buildings" and other physical objects The wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:military%3Dbunker says you can combine military=bunker with building=bunker. This makes sense to me. but also adds abandoned:bu

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > And that raises another point, how would you render disused physical > objects??? > They should not be the same as a physical object that is 'in use', and some > think they should be rendered, but how is that rendering to be d

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-12 Thread Marc Gemis
obrno > > Starobrno > > Starobrno > > Zlatý Bažant > > Zlatý Bažant > > Zlatý Bažant > > > > > > Steiger > > Steiger > > > > > > > Budiš > > > > Fatra > > > > Gambrinus > > > > Gemer >

Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-12 Thread Marc Gemis
> > Is the different between recycling and reusing important for the average > > consumer who a) wants to claim their deposit and b) doesn’t want to put > > the item into landfill? > > > first of all it is indicating the (rough) typology of container that is > accepted, secondly it would seem s

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:58 AM Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Footways are not part of the by car routeable network. And > access=no/access=private or highway=track and neither. > This depends on the router, AFAIK Magic Earth navigates over private roads. It even combines it with access=destination

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
> > > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > network. > I don't understand what this has to do with addresses on buildings vs. nodes. I would expect that an address is converted to coordina

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=

2020-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
> amenity=reverse_vending_machine > reverse_vending=bottle_return > > Machines may take more than one type of item. Some here take bottles and > bottle creates. Some take metal cans. > > Reverse vending machines are not the only vending machine type that’s not > technically a vending machine, alt

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
separate node next to the POI, which does not work if you only see a list of nearby Foobar POIs. In that list you want to see addresses as well. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 6:40 AM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > On 1/9/20 22:54, Marc Gemis wrote: > > Recently someone told me that addre

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
Recently someone told me that addresses are not important for POIs, and perhaps he was right. Suppose I want to navigate to a particular shop in that mall. I tell the router I need to go to that shop. If the point of that shop is properly mapped and all footways from the parking and indoor corridor

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
I assume those characteristics are mapped on the OSM-ways representing the roads, not on the relation. As far as I understand Peter's arguments, the fact that a bicycle route is suitable for recreation, commuting, skilled MTB'ers and so on, should be determined from the characteristics of the roads

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:30 PM marc marc wrote: > > Le 06.01.20 à 04:19, Jarek Piórkowski a écrit : > > Comments most welcome! > > keep it simple ! > advanced stop box only use a cycleway=asl without relation > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dasl > a single node is not enought

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-07 Thread Marc Gemis
AFAIK, routes such as the Krekenroute in Belgium as signposted with https://images.app.goo.gl/bFnEWw7FVoyfq83x8 (although I thought at on some signs there is also the silhouette of a car) On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:39 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > joost schouppe : > > > Especially for car routes, I

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:32 AM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:23, Dave F via Tagging > wrote: > > On 05/01/2020 18:37, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > This depends on the country. > > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the buildin

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:21 PM Markus wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 19:39, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > > This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > Says who? And why? The Danish community, as the a

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Marc Gemis
This depends on the country. It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, It is not typical to do so in The Netherlands. In Italy, the address belongs to a door, not to a building. regards m. On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 7:24 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > > I assume the right place for

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-29 Thread Marc Gemis
> That said, on the ALDI UK website, only the logo depicts "ALDI." Everywhere > else on the page that the company name is rendered as ordinary text it is > "Aldi." But the German sites (https://aldi.de/ and https://www.aldi-nord.de/unternehmen/verantwortung.html) seem to use ALDI (or ALDI Nord)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting result - Pedestrian lane

2019-12-04 Thread Marc Gemis
4. Dez. 2019 um 13:06 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis : >> >> I would love to see consistency between cycleway and footway mapping. > > > > IMHO these are quite different, bicycles are generally considered vehicles by > the law and pedestrians are not. It doesn't seem to mak

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting result - Pedestrian lane

2019-12-04 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:36 PM Markus wrote: > > In my opinion, footway[:left/right]=lane isn't a good idea for the > following reasons: 1. footway=lane is a contradiction, as a lane (part > of a road/path) isn't a footway (separate path). But isn't this exactly the same as we do for cycleway=lan

Re: [Tagging] shop selling trucks

2019-11-26 Thread Marc Gemis
Typically, the websites of the vendors use "Commercial Vehicles" some examples: https://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/en.html https://www.peugeot.co.za/range.html http://www.usedvans.mercedes-benz.co.uk/ (window title) m. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@

Re: [Tagging] shop selling trucks

2019-11-17 Thread Marc Gemis
AFAIK, VW does not sell lorries/hgv/trucks. Their commercial vehicles are pick ups and vans (caddy/transporter/crafter) The largest, has a GVW of 5t. Which tags do we have to use in case the shop only sells those vehicles? regards m. On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 12:11 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-09 Thread Marc Gemis
Does this include places like the one see in the images here [1] Those depict what we call ligweide or zonneweide in Dutch. Those are grass areas typically next to a open-air swimming pool. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=ligweide&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjytMDY647lAhWSKFAKHQGFDK

Re: [Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-27 Thread Marc Gemis
>> A "find a pint of beer near me" app which does a proximity search >> for amenity=pub won't work very well if some of those pubs... aren't pubs. >> >> amenity=pub means "actually a pub", not "thing that looks like a pub". > > > Which is why, for this one, I used disused:amenity=pub. Which (curre

Re: [Tagging] oneway street with two combined foot-cycle lanes

2019-09-18 Thread Marc Gemis
but oneway:bicycle=no is understood. I would simply add that as well. So a router can use that for navigation(but it will not tell you on which side of the road you have to drive because that is hidden in the other tags you mention) On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:10 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Maybe

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-06 Thread Marc Gemis
I probably should have used "desirable" instead of "required" (*), but even then this is not "desirable" for countries where postal code boundaries are mapped as relations. (*) please look at the video and see which text is pasted in the Wikibase definition for addr:street. On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-05 Thread Marc Gemis
and what if I do not agree with the English text. I saw the example for addr:street in your movie. The description now says you have to add addr:postal_code. This is not true for countries whare postal code boundaries are mapped. I do agree that this is needed in countries that use ZIP codes though

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:insurance:health

2019-08-02 Thread Marc Gemis
I think this tag is useless for Belgium, but that does not mean it is useful in other countries. Let me explain the Belgian situation, so perhaps you can help me here to decide whether it should be used or not. Everybody in Belgium has public health insurance by one of the 4 "ziekenfondsen". Every

Re: [Tagging] Once more: the village_green - increase in misuse.

2019-07-19 Thread Marc Gemis
But isn't the main characteristic of a village green / village common that is is a rather large, open area ? I am thinking of a large grass field in the centre of the town, but it could probably be paved as well (or sand or ...) OTOH The use of landcover=greenery is meant for "small" patches of bu

[Tagging] Sluice gate vs valve (was Re: Reviewing wiki pages - Tag:landcover=greenery, Tag:waterway=sluice gate, Tag:landcover=water, Tag:landcover=shrubs, Tag:landcover=sand, Tag:waterway=slReviewing

2019-07-17 Thread Marc Gemis
Is the second picture a valve ? https://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-sluice-gate.htm This page calls it sluice gate. I'm not familiar with the terminology, so perhaps experts can enlighten me. On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 8:23 PM François Lacombe wrote: > > Hi > > Le mer. 17 juil. 2

Re: [Tagging] Reviewing wiki pages - Tag:landcover=greenery, Tag:waterway=sluice gate, Tag:landcover=water, Tag:landcover=shrubs, Tag:landcover=sand, Tag:waterway=slReviewing wiki pages - Tag:landcove

2019-07-17 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 2:30 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I recently edited some of this pages (primarily mentioning that competing tags > are used 50 to 50 000 times more often). > > I would welcome review of this pages (and edits where necessary). > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:l

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee wrote: > > I understand but numbers don't always say much. A great part of this number > is caused by an (afaik undocumentend and highly arbitrary) import in the > city of Tilburg > and how many private, residential gardens are mapped (around the world)

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

2019-06-25 Thread Marc Gemis
Since OSM is used in commercial products, all exceptions you mention for non-commercial use is not applicable. The debate of many persons copying 1 fact from another database has been discussed in the past, but OSM always tries to err on the safe side. IMHO It would be more damaging to the project

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - juggling spot

2019-05-22 Thread Marc Gemis
For me, a sport means competition, rankings, trophies. Is this the case here? Otherwise, I think leisure is better. A pitch a place specially designed for a certain sport. I think this is not the case here. It's just an open space, which can also serve other purposes. I fear that a juggling spot i

Re: [Tagging] Marking temporary traffic organisation change

2019-05-14 Thread Marc Gemis
There is the abandoned proposal for temporary: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/temporary regards m. On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 5:02 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Sometimes traffic organization changes for some time - road becomes > temporarily oneway, > or oneway road becom

Re: [Tagging] Is there any use of shop=general/general_store not covered by shop=convenience/supermarket/country_store?

2019-03-25 Thread Marc Gemis
> My conclusion is that this is an old shop type, currently getting rare but > there are still some valid uses > but many cases would benefit from retagging to more popular shop values > (where shop=convenience/supermarket/country_store describes it well). Please add https://wiki.openstreetmap.or

Re: [Tagging] shop=plumber vs shop=plumbing vs shop=plumbing_supplies

2019-03-25 Thread Marc Gemis
I wonder whether you will ever get the right answers to this type of questions on this mailing list. Only if people on this list have used those tags themselves or interacted with people using the "wrong" tags you might get an idea of what is going on. Otherwise, it seems to me that we just might g

Re: [Tagging] Do we still need cycleway=opposite_lane? (Was: Do we still need cycleway=opposite?)

2019-03-19 Thread Marc Gemis
Which situations can one theoretically have in a oneway street that allows contraflow for bicycles and moped/mofas? - no separate lanes (rather typical in Belgium) - separate lanes, one lane on each side, lanes are 1-way - separate lane only in contraflow direction, lane is oneway, (e.g. flow dire

Re: [Tagging] Use of old_name (was Re: Mapping deforestation)

2019-03-13 Thread Marc Gemis
> > If I decide to meet with a friend AGAIN in front of Whizzo, we both > > already know where it is. > > congratulations if you ever need gps to go to a place where you have > already been (I wonder in this case why commercial gps have a "go home" > shortcut since everyone has already been there)

[Tagging] Use of old_name (was Re: Mapping deforestation)

2019-03-12 Thread Marc Gemis
What if some friends say we'll meet next year again in front of the Whizzo. In the meantime, the Whizzo closes and is replaced with a restaurant Eatwell. If they can then search for the old name it's useful, because they might not be overly familiar with the area and don't know the place has change

Re: [Tagging] discouraging shop=fashion

2019-03-11 Thread Marc Gemis
Before deprecating the shop=fashion tag, shouldn't we reach out to the mappers that use shop=fashion ? Maybe they have a lot more domain knowledge than the people on this mailing list and can explain why they used shop=fashion and not shop=clothes; clothes=... (you know diversity and white privil

Re: [Tagging] shop=clothes vs shop=fashion

2019-03-06 Thread Marc Gemis
There is a very long thread on the same subject in August/September 2017. It started here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-August/033127.html The arguments of the emails in this thread regarding boutique/fashion/clothes stores were given back then as well. So nothing has cha

Re: [Tagging] Emergency vehicle country-specific law

2019-03-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:52 AM OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > > > AFAIK emergency vehicles are exempt from limitations of traffic law > > (including oneway roads, forbidden access roads, speed limits, red lights, > > forbidden turns) > > Belgian law requires th

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-28 Thread Marc Gemis
> emergency=yes is the most common value, it's a modal/class exception. did you check whether that is on highways or on amenity=hospital ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] transaction parameters for ATMs

2019-02-25 Thread Marc Gemis
AFAIK, the limit in Belgium depends on the card. You can within certain limits set by the issuer, change your limit. Furthermore, there is a daily and weekly limit as well (see e.g. https://www.kbc.be/particulieren/nl/product/betalen/betaalkaarten/bankkaarten/bankkaart.html in Dutch). Any tagging p

Re: [Tagging] Clarification of fire_hydrant:diameter

2019-02-01 Thread Marc Gemis
Hi Viking, here is one for Belgium. It's on my photo website and I release it hereby in Public Domain, feel free to download it and upload it to the wiki. https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2017/2017-01-01-Dikkelvenne/i-5MQMcZ3/A On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 7:27 PM Viking wrote: > > I've fixed fire_hy

Re: [Tagging] crossing=cycleway as a node

2019-01-28 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 6:30 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > On 27. Jan 2019, at 12:29, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > > But often, the cycleway crossing the road is not mapped. How would you > > map a bicycle only crossin

Re: [Tagging] crossing=cycleway as a node

2019-01-27 Thread Marc Gemis
But often, the cycleway crossing the road is not mapped. How would you map a bicycle only crossing if the parallel cycleway is mapped as cycleway=lane on the highway=x ? Then you need a point, and as you wrote access=bicycle or foot=no do not work, as pedestrians and cars can follow the highway=x.

Re: [Tagging] crossing=cycleway as a node

2019-01-26 Thread Marc Gemis
Someone proposed highway=bicycle_crossing [1]. The rationale is to be able to express crossings that can only be used by cyclist. m. [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/bicycle_crossing ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstree

Re: [Tagging] Clarification of fire_hydrant:diameter

2019-01-25 Thread Marc Gemis
minal diameter. Steel is often not specified, but assumed as material. So perhaps I should have translated binnendiameter to "internaldiameter" ? m. On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:41 AM François Lacombe wrote: > > Hi Marc > > Le ven. 25 janv. 2019 à 09:07, Marc Gemis a écrit : >&

Re: [Tagging] Clarification of fire_hydrant:diameter

2019-01-25 Thread Marc Gemis
In Belgium it is the inner diameter of the water main. Lowest value I've seen is 50, highest 400 or so. It's nicely explained on http://brandweerbrasschaat.be/site/content/hydranten (in Dutch) with pictures of the signs. The small ref number in the upper right corner is not always there. If you eve

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
I wonder how puzzled someone would be when they look at the original question "how to map scrub in forests" and then, without going through the whole thread, sees e.g the following mail in that thread: p.s. Joseph, please don't take this personally, I could have picked another mail, but yours was

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
hills or valley begins? > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 6:12 PM Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> > On 23. Jan 2019, at 08:55, Marc Gemis wrote: >> > >> > And where do you put the name of the forest/wood ? On

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
g. to cut out water areas from landcover=tree m. On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 9:08 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nice question Marc. > > What is this named area? > Does it have some (taggable) function? > Is it 'just' a location? place=location? > &g

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Marc Gemis
And where do you put the name of the forest/wood ? On the MP or on the outer way ? I would think on the outer way, as the scrub is part of the named area. But then I have an outer way with only a name tag. Is that correct ? m. On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 8:51 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
54 AM Tobias Wrede wrote: > > Am 18.01.2019 um 09:48 schrieb Marc Gemis: > > So limiting it to named trails would be an option, however, the > > tourist agencies seem to replace all such named walks with walking > > node networks, so "trails" are now everywhere. &

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-18 Thread Marc Gemis
wrote: > > Am 17.01.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Marc Gemis: > > A trailhead is the start of a trail, but I haven't seen the definition > > of a trail yet. > > > > An American trail seems like a long distance walking route in the > > wilderness. It's probably t

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Marc Gemis
A trailhead is the start of a trail, but I haven't seen the definition of a trail yet. An American trail seems like a long distance walking route in the wilderness. It's probably the same in Australia, Is that interpretation correct ? Is that a requirement for a trail ? If so, you will be disappoi

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:55 PM Georg Feddern wrote: > > tourism=caravan_site is the one where you (at least in Europe) only can > stay with motorhomes (selfpropelled) - but not with caravans (towed). > but the wiki states on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site "A carav

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:01 PM Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Round and round we go and ne'er the twain shall meet. > > Mobile home simply will not work in this use case. Nobody camps or travels > from place to place in a mobile home. > Except when you live in Flanders, as we use "Mobilhome" for mot

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-11 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 9:03 PM François Lacombe wrote: > > Then we'll obtain waterway=canal for artificial waterways whatever their > usage and waterway=river, stream and ditch for natural or not-lined > watercourses. The wiki page for ditch [1] explicitly states that it is an artificial wate

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-11 Thread Marc Gemis
though >> sooner or later someone would use it >> to link "Tree" article from every single natural=tree) >> >> Maybe tagging operator (and operator:wikipedia) will be enough? >> >> Jan 10, 2019, 5:06 PM by pelder...@gmail.com: >> >> No it’s

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-11 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:45 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > highway=trailhead on a node at a (visibly) designated or customary location > for starting one or more trails. So how do we translate the American idea of trail (head) to Belgium and The Netherlands. Maybe for you it is clear, but I still h

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:40 AM Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > Hi all, > Can anyone please explain the difference between waterway=ditch and drain? > As far as I understand the description on the English wiki they differ in > usage: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waterway > > drain - u

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
g for all > designated/customary trailheads, including all TOPs en Natuurpoorten, for > existing and future mappers who find these worth mapping. > > Op do 10 jan. 2019 om 10:19 schreef Marc Gemis : >> >> So we are back to what I wrote a couple of days ago, after I saw that

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
reetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia [2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-January/075432.html On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:14 AM Peter Elderson wrote: > > Where can I find that discussion / decision? > > Op do 10 jan. 2019 om 10:16 schreef Marc Gemis : >> >> On Wed, Jan 9, 201

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
So we are back to what I wrote a couple of days ago, after I saw that Peter was struggling to come up with a trailhead definition that fits all the "TOP"s. We have on one hand trailheads (for which we seem to have a consensus) and on the other hand TOPs, which sometimes fit the definition of trail

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 4:20 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > The wikipedia page is not a list, it is a description of what a TOP is in > Nederland. A wiki page about trailhead tagging is not the right place for > that. I think this is within the scope of the wikipedia key. Just as it was discourage

Re: [Tagging] Facts and opinions

2019-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:04 PM Bryan Housel wrote: > It’s not documentation. It’s just a bunch of prescriptive advice by random > people. Most of the people involved don’t even work on software. They’re > just really into tagging and arguing, and I don’t have time for it. Wow, you leave me

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

2019-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
I was referring to the 'organisation'. On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 2:40 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > Am Mi., 9. Jan. 2019 um 05:17 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis : >> >> While I was first thinking of brand like Warin, I think this is the >> better solution.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

2019-01-08 Thread Marc Gemis
While I was first thinking of brand like Warin, I think this is the better solution. Just as, we do not map the share holders of companies (even when they are other companies) on shops, man_made=works object etc., we typically do not map properties of the operator (besides brand). m. On Tue, Jan

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Marc Gemis
Graeme, You might have to change the picture and the rendering icon in the right "summary" bar. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:22 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) > > Known problems > > Languages - how do I edit them all out? > > ser

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-06 Thread Marc Gemis
But are you adding https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/conservation-and-heritage/national-parks/australias-national-parks to all national parks (because that is what Peter's link is doing). On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 8:49 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 21:15, Tobias Wrede

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-04 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 1:10 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > Op do 3 jan. 2019 om 13:22 schreef Marc Gemis : >> >> I wonder why it is under "highway", it seems more related to "tourism" >> / "information". > > > Current usage:

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-03 Thread Marc Gemis
I wonder why it is under "highway", it seems more related to "tourism" / "information". Another problem I see is that there is no other definition for trailheads in The Netherlands than "location being picked by the tourist agency as trailhead" or better "location being designated by the tourist a

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2018-12-23 Thread Marc Gemis
I think the parking place for the Precipice walk in Wales (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/394294583) which also has a toilet and a picnic table would be considered a trailhead. There is also a nice sign https://xian.smugmug.com/Vacation/Wales-2018/i-hC7kWcK/A to tell you that you are at the righ

Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers

2018-12-14 Thread Marc Gemis
and you forget the digital sign printers that use inktjet printers. Don't try to compare them to the printer on your desk though. On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:45 PM Colin Smale wrote: > > On 2018-12-14 15:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > Even so, the primary distinction between a jobbing printer and a > n

Re: [Tagging] Printing company for newspapers

2018-12-14 Thread Marc Gemis
'craft' typically indicates small, artisanal. I would rather go for man_made=works+product=newspaper m. On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 11:13 AM dktue wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to tag a company where newspapers are being printed, but I > feel that shop=copyshop doesn't fit well. > > My suggestion w

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook

2018-12-09 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 2:44 AM Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Wow! Either those things are high enough that a would be suicide could make > good use of them, or sooner or later a kid will loose an eye on one of those > hooks... :-/ > So we should stop mapping railways because people commit suicide b

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