Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders

2018-11-23 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 17:35, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 5:30 PM SelfishSeahorse > wrote: >> >> 1. 'inner' roles (and thus 'outer' roles too) are still needed in case a >> country has enclaves. > > > Even if a country has exclave

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-22 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Is there really a difference between embedded railway rails and embedded tram rails? Isn't the only difference that the vehicles that run on them look different? Near where i live there's a narrow-gauge rack railway that runs on embedded rails in the town. [1] These embedded rails look identical

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-11-22 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Thank you, Martin and Sergio, for your input. On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 00:49, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Correct: it very much depends and vary from state to state: Italy's central > bank, Bank of Italy, is not a goverenmental institution (it has > shareholders...), and the same is true (afaik, but

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-11-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello Thank you all for your feedback on this proposal so far. I'm wondering whether central banks should be included or excluded from landuse=governmental. Actually, a central bank isn't a part of the government, but is a governmental institution. However, it belongs to the core of the state

Re: [Tagging] Tagging animal sanctuaries

2018-11-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 18:35, Nicolas Maia wrote: > > So I propose to extend animal_shelter:purpose= to allow the value > "sanctuary", which ideally should be coupled with "animal_shelter:release=no". As you wrote, animal sanctuaries aren't animal shelters, so why not tagging them

Re: [Tagging] Add some tag to identify disputed borders

2018-11-14 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 01:52, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > My thinking on this is we should re-purpose the relation roles for this sort > of tagging. Right now we just copy the roles from type=multipolygon relations > (inner, outer) when we should be using something like the following: > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 23:17, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Moot point, sidewalks should be mapped as separate ways for the same reason. I don't want to start another sidewalk discussion, but please note that sidewalks as separate ways don't solve all problems. Especially in residential areas without

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-07 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Putting the centerline of the rails somewhere other than the middle of the > tracks is arguably worse, particularly for use cases that depend on this > (creating a train simulator, or pedestrian navigation, for example). As far as pedestrian

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-11-04 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi Mateusz, Thank you for your feedback! > "for marking government premises" sounds like replacement of office=* tag I've changed the definition (back) to 'land used by government bodies / for governing'. > Current definitions "This excludes: (...) Land ''owned'' by the government" > means

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-11-04 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello! I've made following additions to the proposal: * Addition of the new tag governmental=legislature/executive/judiciary for specifying the governmental branch. * Reuse of the existing tag admin_level=* for indicating the administrative level (country, state, municipal etc.). Are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-02 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, November 2, 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Frequently you can't get this right. You will often have just one > carriageway (i.e. one highway way) and you will usually have 2 ways for the > tram tracks (if you draw each of them). > Although less precise, i would have only drawn

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-02 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Anyway, i'm wondering why tram tracks that are embedded in a street are mapped with separate ways instead of reusing the street way? Separating them seems topologically wrong. For example at this pedestrian crossing [1] one doesn't first cross tram tracks, then the street and then again tram

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-11-01 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 09:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > I haven't seen anyone (recently) who supports your original proposal of > > keeping amenity=embassy and adding amenity=consulate. So I believe your > > first summary is inaccurate. > > I do. For me this is most consistent with the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-31 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > WRT to Joseph's comment about "municipal, statal and federal", I would > welcome adding a property for the level (if a generic level is chosen for > landuse), maybe "admin_level" would suit best? This seems like a good idea. > How

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-31 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 04:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > However, I'm not sure that "governmental" is the best value for the landuse > key. I think there would be a risk of mappers finding this tag in the editors > and using it for all governnment-owned land, not just for administrative >

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-29 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 23:30, marc marc wrote: > > man_made=tank + usage=clarifier or usage=digester +1 Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Area with restaurants, hotels, cinemas - is it landuse=commercial?

2018-10-29 Thread SelfishSeahorse
I'm not very happy with our definition of landuse=commercial as it isn't self-explanatory: it is mainly used for offices and warehouses, while retail, although belonging to commerce, has its own landuse=* value. In my opinion, it would make more sense either to tag retail as landuse=commercial +

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 02:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > US law does not apply everywhere. Yes, it doesn't. Besides the USA don't recognise database right; apparently it's mainly used in the EU. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 14:23, François Lacombe wrote: > > structure={lattice,guyed, tube...} would be better than tower:construction. > 15k uses vs 150k. > Lattice is the structure and have nothing to do with actual construction. > This tag should be avoided. Seems sensible. > telecom=antenna

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi Lionel Thanks for this helpful clarification! I'd suggest to use them on OSM. Regards Markus On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 11:30, Lionel Giard wrote: > > At my work (a telecom company in Belgium), i see these types of mobile > structure construction : > - Self-supported pylons (the "tower",

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 08:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > landuse for tagging features is not a good fit, I prefer man_made for these, > as it fits better with the general scheme of tags I agree. This is why i proposed man_made=basin|tank in a later message. Regards Markus

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-28 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 02:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I would actually call them tanks rather than basins Doesn't a tank need to be closed? > When you look at storage_tanks > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dstorage_tank, there are > actually sub-tags for >

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-27 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 21:24, bkil wrote: > > crossing=uncontrolled had just this meaning - not controlled or > arranged by any device but instead always negotiated in situ between > traffic participants. [...] > > It should definitely not be understood as a synonym for "unmarked". > I'll try to

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-27 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 15:06, Paul Allen wrote: > > It has the disadvantage that it doesn't make sense. At least not to me, as a > native speaker of > British English (which is the normal language for defining OSM tags) and as > somebody who > doesn't work in sanitation. Maybe a British

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-27 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 19:23, Clifford Snow wrote: > > For tagging, I'd to suggest the two tags. > man_made=clarifier (used 28 times) > man_made=digester (anaerobic used 3 times, including one misspelling) Another idea i see is to extend the current tagging scheme with landuse=basin (+

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 17:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 26. Oct 2018, at 16:39, SelfishSeahorse > > wrote: > > > > Because road markings at crossings tell pedestrians if they have right > > of way or not. > > it depends on the jurisdi

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 17:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On 26. Oct 2018, at 16:39, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > > > Yes, the (yellow) zebra crossings are called 'zebra stripes' > > (Zebrastreifen) -- or officially 'pedestrian stripes' > > (Fussgä

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 01:58, Greg Troxel wrote: > > This reliance on guys does not align with engineering reality. guys are > needed depending on forces/loading, and there can be unguyed masts, that > are exactly like guyed masts but a bit shorter. I agree. > > A tower is a tall, slim

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 08:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > On the other hand, speaking about “numbers”, those are probably facts and not > protectable by copyright If i'm not mistaken, numbers aren't protected by copyright, but a compilation of numbers (i.e. a database) can be protected; if

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 16:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > On 26. Oct 2018, at 14:57, SelfishSeahorse > > wrote: > > > > And what about the absence of road markings? crossing_ref=unmarked? > > > we generally do not m

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 16:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > in Switzerland? In Italy they aren’t called zebra crossings (despite the > markings), they’re called traffic lights with pedestrian crossing. A zebra > crossing here means there aren’t traffic lights. Yes, the (yellow) zebra

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 15:29, Bryan Housel wrote: > > `crossing=marked` and `crossing=unmarked` are not new. They’ve been in use > for years. > > They solve the problem in that they are unambiguous and beginner-friendly. Unfortunately crossing=marked doesn't make a difference compared to

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 12:53, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote: > > On 26.10.2018 10.44, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > There are some marked non-zebra crossings in Switzerland: > > > > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/zMqUsiFYNMiJ3_kA4ODHSQ > > https://www.mapillary.com

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 12:46, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > Why should we invent a new subtagging scheme when we already have one with > crossing=* + crossing_ref=* ? Because there are countries where pedestrian crossings with traffic signals also have zebra markings and it's not obvious that

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 12:37, marc marc wrote: > > Le 26. 10. 18 à 09:28, SelfishSeahorse a écrit : > > What about tagging the presence or absence of traffic signals with a > > subkey, e.g. crossing:traffic_signals=yes/no? > > it is indeed always possible to take out all t

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 11:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Tagging way crossing=traffic_island and nodes crossing=traffic_signals is > deeply not obvious. +1. That's too complicated. Furthermore it doesn't work on one-carriageway roads like e.g. here:

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 11:12, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Yes. For example in Poland there are crossing markings that look > very similar and have the same name with different legal > implications. Is there more than one marked crossings type w/o traffic signals in Poland? That is, one where

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 01:19, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Oh! I don’t like `crossing=zebra` either. Not sure whether you caught the > end of that issue #4788, but anyway I've decided I'm tired of hearing people > complain about `crossing=zebra` so going forward iD will support these 2 > presets:

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 00:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I agree that in areas where marked pedestrian crossings aren’t marked as > zebra crossings, the tag could create problems or could not apply (I do not > know about such places but someone wrote it in the wiki). There are some marked

Re: [Tagging] 2 meaning for crossing=zebra

2018-10-26 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 23:40, marc marc wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a big issue with crossing=zebra. > it prevent to fill in the other value for crossing like > crossing=traffic_signals crossing=uncontrolled > the wiki [1] said that crossing=zebra is a shortchut for > crossing=uncontrolled +

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-25 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 07:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > A lot of the big ones will be listed somewhere on the internet - the really > big ones have their heights listed on that wiki page I mentioned earlier Just note that Wikipedia (and other websites) isn't a legal source for OSM because

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-25 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 00:04, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Do we also need a RFC / vote to amend the wiki page, or can I just amend it & > clear up the bad reference photo's? > > I'd be looking at combining the mentioned engineering definition with the > popular opinion expressed here to

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-24 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 16:07, Greg Troxel wrote: > > The guy wires or not is made into the main thing here, but it's really a > detail. Obviously, from a certain height, tall cylindrical structures like masts need guy-wires for stabilisation. Otherwise, they need a larger diameter or a conical

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 22:32, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > However, the problem of how to call the sub-tag(s) for public administration, > executive, parliament and courts were exactly the same as without > landuse=institutional + sub-tags. PS: The only benefit i see of landuse=i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi, Martin! On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 01:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > So police stations are out? The ministry of defense is in, but the > subordinate units of it are out (because military)? Courts are in? Prisons? > Storage (e.g. >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-15 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 20:35, Tom Hardy wrote: > > Just to throw a couple more your way: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/622149574 > landuse=garages is a staging area for city public works and county truck > repair, and > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/448672572 > amenity=recycling is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-14 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 17:42, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > Because at least offices of the public administration and the > executive body are often located in the same building. PS: Public administration is actually considered being a part of the executive. Do you or anyone else have ano

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-14 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi! On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 17:16, marc marc wrote: > > > But dividing land used for governing would complicate mapping too much > > why not ? school/education and military already exist. Because at least offices of the public administration and the executive body are often located in the same

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-14 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Thank you, Joseph and Warin, for your feedback! On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 04:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > However, I'm not sure that "governmental" is the best value for the landuse > key. I think there would be a risk of mappers finding this tag in the editors > and using it for all

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

2018-10-13 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello everyone! I am proposing a new tag, landuse=governmental, for marking land that is used for governing: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dgovernmental Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

2018-10-13 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 at 17:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > amenity=parcel_station > > parcel_station:send=yes/no > > parcel_station:receive=yes/no > > > +1, would be fine for me. > or amenity=parcel_machine? I'm indifferent to the tag name. Other possibilities are parcel locker or parcel

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours value question

2018-10-12 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi! On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 13:33, John Willis wrote: > > - Can someone type me the necessary tag value for such a monthly calendar > dependant item? "Open on the 3rd Saturday from 10am-1pm" The n-th weekday of the month can be written by appending the number (1 for 1st, 2 for 2nd, ..., -1 for

Re: [Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

2018-10-12 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 11:28, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > no, I would remove only those from "vending", which are not about vending. > E.g. parcels and excrement bags. Those that are about dispensers could get a > dispensing tag, those that offer completely different services like parcel >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-11 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 21:16, Tod Fitch wrote: > > I had not noticed the existence of the group relation before. Seems to me > that it and the controversial site relation have some overlap. For the > examples I can think of where I think the site relation works it seems like > the group

Re: [Tagging] simply documenting tags WAS Re: hydrants

2018-10-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 09:39, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Map feature pages are for the documentation of established tags, I hope we > can agree on this? > > IMHO we should clarify that documenting ad hoc tags in the wiki (link above) > means either putting this documentation in your user

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

2018-10-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 19:46, Paul Allen wrote: > > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be > done with existing > tags. The problem is it will get the icon for a waste bin, with no > indication it's also for > recycling. Fine if you use the query tool, but

[Tagging] Dispensing vs vending (Was: Combined waste/recycling bins)

2018-10-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 00:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 9. Oct 2018, at 21:19, bkil wrote: > > > > amenity=waste_basket > > waste=dog_excrement > > vending=excrement_bags > > > > I've also seen waste_basket:excrement_bags=yes and fee=no, but I don't > > see much value in these at this

Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins

2018-10-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 16:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > A village a few miles from me (but in a different county) recently got one of > these combined litter/recycling bins: > https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2241627292737699=1632021387031629&__tn__=C-R > > How to tag? What about

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 14:39, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > That is, we have two contradictory definitions on the wiki: the > engineering definition according to which a tower is freestanding and > mast guyed, and the other definition according to which 'a tower is > accessib

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 13:55, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 13:13, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > A very similar problem are parts of lakes by the way, e.g. look at this map > > of the lake of Constance, showing names for parts of the lake: &

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 13:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > A very similar problem are parts of lakes by the way, e.g. look at this map > of the lake of Constance, showing names for parts of the lake: > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodensee#/media/File:Bodensee_satellit%2Btext.png > (or maybe

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 18:08, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > - way with natural=water and name="Small Pond" > - way with natural=water and name="Big Pond" > - relation grouping this ways with name="Groble" and proper type > > But how relation should be tagged? > > Tagging it natural=water seems

Re: [Tagging] Ignore roundabout flare in counting

2018-10-06 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 09:12, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 10:46:08PM +0200, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Friday, October 5, 2018, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > > Is there tagging to let announcements ignore that flare? > > > > I think that

Re: [Tagging] Ignore roundabout flare in counting

2018-10-05 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, October 5, 2018, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Is there tagging to let announcements ignore that flare? > I think that if the driveway is tagged highway=service, this should be enough information for the routeing engine to ignore it. Besides there might be people that don't want the

[Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-10-05 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, October 5, 2018, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > I don't know how many of the 3500 worldwide are actually > communications_towers bu that definition, but I'd guess not more than a > dozen or 2? > There are already more than a dozen in the small country of Switzerland. > I'd like to

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-10-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 11:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I have tried to fix the picture and found, that there are now 2 distinct > traffic signs, one is for all 2-tracked motor vehicles, including cars: >

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-10-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 at 17:58, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Thank you, I have now reverted the change wrt to motorcar. I've also reverted the change on the page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorcar and tried to make the different meanings of that tag when either used as permission or

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-10-01 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello everyone! I haven't forgotten the landuse=civic_admin proposal, but I'm uncertain about two points and would like to know your opinion: * Isn't 'civic administration' limited to the administration of a town or city (compared to the administration of the state, county etc.)? Maybe it would

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 19:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > I think it's better to stick to either a common or a technical > > definition. > > > it doesn’t have to be the British definition of terms, has it? It would already be helpful if there actually were a common definition to distinguish

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 17:24, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > To solve the contradiction we need to get rid of one of the two > > > definitions. > > > > they could be combine

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 14:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > To solve the contradiction we need to get rid of one of the two definitions. > > they could be combined: if it is intended to be accessed by people (not only > for maintenance) and is not guyed it is a tower, otherwise it would be a

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 03:13, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dmast says that > > "In structural engineering, mast is a vertical structure, supported by > external guys and anchors. > > This is the only existing definite feature that could be used

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-29 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 00:29, Michael Booth wrote: > > The Wiki definition is: "a huge tower for transmitting radio applications > It is often made from concrete and usually a far visible landmark." > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man%20made=communications%20tower > > Looking

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-22 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wednesday, September 19, 2018, Tobias Zwick wrote: >>> Anyway, for a beginner : is one key even better ? -> should we allow >>> “maxspeed=no_sign” ? Or/and “maxspeed=default” ? >> >> Way too ambiguous to be remotely workable in North America. > > Is it? I think what djakk is arguing for, and

[Tagging] Why isn't the amenity=parking object part of the relation ?

2018-09-22 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, September 14, 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Here is an example for a site with a parking where you can't use a multipolygon (as the shop is a node), ignore the "role" name, I just made it up and it is not standard, and there are no other tags on the site for the moment. >

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
I couldn't agree more. Still sure that you don't want to resurrect the proposal? :-) I will never be able to express my thoughts that well ... On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 15:46, John Willis wrote: > > > > > On Sep 20, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > > > But this discussion is about land

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 10:40, Colin Smale wrote: > Maybe it's just me, but I really can't understand why landuse for government > functions needs its own tagging. The buildings are often indistinguishable > from commercial properties - what is different is that the occupier is some > statutory

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 at 11:20, egil wrote: > I tend to agree with Colins arguments below, because in Sweden gov. agencies > are very mixed into the central spaces of cities but often not clustered > together in large complexes or whole areas. Just because a tag would have no use in a specific

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-19 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 23:48, Clifford Snow wrote: > > I would accept civic_admin as well. > > Markus - do you want to revive the proposal? I'd like to see this become a > approved tag. I don't really have experience in this but i'll try. I'm just going to ask the author of the (draft) proposal

Re: [Tagging] landuse for government offices ?

2018-09-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 19:35, OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote: > How to tag a piece of land where governmental several office buildings are > situated ? Hi! I would tag it landuse=civic_admin, which has been defined as 'an area used for civic / governmental /

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-13 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Seems you are confusing passing places [1], i.e. a short widening on a road, with lanes for slow moving vehicles [2,3], which can have a length of several kilometres. [1]: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scotland_Kinlochewe_SingleTrackRoad.jpg [2]:

[Tagging] Feature Proposal -- RFC -- Transport modes on platforms and stations

2018-09-12 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hello everyone I propose to add the transport mode tags (bus=*, tram=*, train=*, ferry=* etc.) on public_transport=platform and public_transport=station in order to allow them being rendered and thus making public transport mapping more efficient and clearer.

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-11 Thread SelfishSeahorse
t > use the lanes approach. In my original tagging, I had invented a new > category of service road, service=slow_vehicle_turnout, but perhaps an > abbreviated form of slow_moving_vehicle would be more consistent and easier > in the end. In the example provided by SelfishSeahorse, h

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
t; the Sterling Highway, I'm going to leave them unmapped. Life is too >>> >> short and there is a lot of other mapping yet to do in Alaska. >>> >> >>> >> Although these lanes are not physically separated by a barrier other >>> >> than a

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
he lanes technique. > > Thanks to all, > > Dave > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 6:51 PM SelfishSeahorse > wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 11:17, Dave Swarthout >> wrote: >> > I'm still not convinced the lanes:smv tagging scenario is the best >> soluti

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-10 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 11:17, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I'm still not convinced the lanes:smv tagging scenario is the best solution > but were I to change my mind, how would I tag my turnouts? Here is another > screen shot of the particular section of highway with a turnout on both sides > of

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-09 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 at 12:15, Philip Barnes wrote: > The only signage on autoroute with voie pour vehicules lents is the start of > a new crawler lane in English and a sign indicating 'vehicules lents'. There > is no indication of a maximum speed for that lane, beyond at 130 you may come > up

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 02:38, Paul Johnson wrote: > I'm thinking, perhaps, a new access tag value: smv (slow moving vehicle). > Then you could (using my previous I 82 through the Cabbage Patch climb) do > something like smv:lanes:access=no|yes|designated. This seems like a good idea to me --

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-04 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi! I'd propose to tag the section of the road with the turnout (or alternatively just a node) turnout:=yes. I would neither use a lane key nor a separate highway=service way, because slow vehicle turnouts aren't lanes for moving traffic and because a separate highway way would give the wrong

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-09-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
/2017-November/thread.html#34194 ) On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:36 SelfishSeahorse, wrote: > The meaning of the motorcar key has been discussed some time ago with the > conclusion that motorcar=no means 'no entry for any power driven vehicle > except two-wheeled motor cycles without side-ca

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

2018-09-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
I remember it has been discussed, but maybe not on this list. The problem was that different wiki pages had different definitions of landuse=meadow (used to tag land used for hay and for grazing animals), natural=grassland (mainly used to tag natural grassland/meadows) and landuse=farmland (used

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-09-03 Thread SelfishSeahorse
The meaning of the motorcar key has been discussed some time ago with the conclusion that motorcar=no means 'no entry for any power driven vehicle except two-wheeled motor cycles without side-car', while motorcar=yes only means that motorcars are allowed. (Unfortunately i couldn't find the

Re: [Tagging] Properties of swimming pools

2018-08-30 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:13 dktue, wrote: > I would like to tag information about the water-temperature and the > depth of the separate pools in the outdoor-swimming pool [1]. Are there > any suggested tag-names or should I just go with "depth" and "temperature"? > In case the pool depth varies,

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-21 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 19:33, Greg Troxel wrote: > If it's private, then access=yes is arguably not right, as permission is > granted to the public, vs the public having a right of access. > > So I would use > > access=permissive > > instead of yes. But this is a far larger issue than this one

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-20 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi I've written an issue request on openstreetmap-carto regarding the too thick canal rendering: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3354 Regards Markus On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 at 18:20, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > On Thursday 16 August 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > >

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
PS: Or, in case access is granted only to pedestrians: > > foot=destination foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct-Apr 07:00-20:00; May-Sep 07:00-22:30) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Saturday, August 18, 2018, Jmapb wrote: > > > Any particular reason to include the day numbers rather than just using > the month name to indicate the whole month? > The reason is i forgot to remove the day numbers when copy-pasting. :-) You can omit them (but you don't have to).:

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Saturday, August 18, 2018, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > foot=destination > foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct 1-Apr 30 07:00-20:00, May 1-Sep 30 07:00-22:30) > Sorry, i've made a mistake: there should be a semicolon instead of a comma: foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct 1-Apr 30 07:00-20:00;

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi On Friday, August 17, 2018, Jmapb wrote: > I've got a pedestrian way behind a large apartment building (leads to a > back entrance) that's restricted to residents only after hours. Or more > precisely, it's signed "Open to the public Oct 1 - Apr 30 7am-8pm, May 1 - > Sep 30 7am-10:30pm." > >

[Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-17 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, August 17, 2018, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Friday 17 August 2018, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > > Of course we could just use width=*, but it's not always easily > > possible to measure the width (e.g. in a forest) and sometimes it > > changes ofte

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