I wasn't aware that it is allowed to cross a single solid line in the USA. Hence forget the overtaking:lanes:<forward/backward>=* tags in the example in my last message. On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 20:38, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > > I see it as a variation on no turn on red/turn after stop OK on red > dichotomy. Not really significant enough to bring up in the map data > specifically, so long as the signal itself is mapped. And the single white > line seems to not be of special significance in most cases, only meaning that > you need to use additional caution when changing lanes (as opposed to double > white lines, where lane changes in one or both directions is prohibited). > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 13:29 Tobias Wrede <l...@tobias-wrede.de> wrote: >> >> The solid line is a special case. So many other turn-outs/climbing lanes/... >> have a dashed line or even no line at all. I wouldn't make a difference >> based on markings. >> >> I also strongly favor the lines solution but wonder if we could not stretch >> the turn key a bit. Something along turn:lanes:forward=through|turn-out. >> >> /Tobi >> >> >> Am 10.09.2018 um 19:54 schrieb Paul Johnson: >> >> I don't think so. Really the only thing throwing this off seems to be the >> same thing throwing off people who think bus and bicycle lanes shouldn't be >> counted as lanes: the solid line. >> >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 11:50 Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> It seems to me that the key attribute of the 'climbing lane' situation >>> that Dave mentions is that it's an additional lane. It's provided for >>> slow-moving vehicles, sure, but that's really a special case of the >>> near-universal convention that slow-moving traffic gives way to >>> overtaking traffic by moving to the outside (that is, in North >>> America, to the right). The difference, at least where I am, between a >>> climbing lane and another ordinary lane is a subtle one: you don't >>> have to move to the outside if nobody's trying to overtake, rather >>> than a "keep right except to pass" rule. You get 90% of the way there >>> by simply having the correct number of lanes:forward and >>> lanes:backward. Is adding a lane that much more complicated than >>> drawing a parallel way? >>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:31 AM Joseph Eisenberg >>> <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > I'd say that it would be better to leave them unmapped than to >>> > incorrectly map them as separate service roads. >>> > If they are only divided by a single painted line, they are just lanes, >>> > not a separate roadway. >>> > And it's not too difficult to split the way twice and paste on a couple >>> > of tags >>> > >>> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:17 PM Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Wow, thanks for the help, Markus. I really appreciate it. >>> >> >>> >> But I must say, if I have to use that method to tag all the turnouts on >>> >> the Sterling Highway, I'm going to leave them unmapped. Life is too >>> >> short and there is a lot of other mapping yet to do in Alaska. >>> >> >>> >> Although these lanes are not physically separated by a barrier other >>> >> than a painted line, I'm going to opt for the service road scenario. It >>> >> is simple, much, much less error prone to map, and IMHO, would do the >>> >> job better than the lanes technique. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks to all, >>> >> >>> >> Dave >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 6:51 PM SelfishSeahorse >>> >> <selfishseaho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 11:17, Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I'm still not convinced the lanes:smv tagging scenario is the best >>> >>> > solution but were I to change my mind, how would I tag my turnouts? >>> >>> > Here is another screen shot of the particular section of highway with >>> >>> > a turnout on both sides of the road that I've been discussing >>> >>> > (59.752103, -151.766395 ) with the ways removed for clarity: >>> >>> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm6iahw9ch79tuh/slow_vehicle_turnout.jpg?dl=0 >>> >>> >>> >>> I would probably split the road at every place where an additional >>> >>> lane begins or ends, i.e. four times, and would tag the sections as >>> >>> follows from right to left (this is the direction of the highway way): >>> >>> >>> >>> lanes=2 >>> >>> >>> >>> lanes=3 >>> >>> lanes:forward=2 >>> >>> lanes:backward=1 >>> >>> smv:lanes:forward=|designated >>> >>> overtaking:lanes:forward=yes|no >>> >>> >>> >>> lanes=4 >>> >>> lanes:forward=2 >>> >>> lanes:backward=2 >>> >>> smv:lanes:forward=|designated >>> >>> smv:lanes:backward=|designated >>> >>> overtaking:lanes:forward=yes|no >>> >>> overtaking:lanes:backward=yes|no >>> >>> >>> >>> lanes=3 >>> >>> lanes:forward=1 >>> >>> lanes:backward=2 >>> >>> smv:lanes:backward=|designated >>> >>> overtaking:lanes:backward=yes|no >>> >>> >>> >>> lanes=2 >>> >>> >>> >>> In case the turnouts were separated by a barrier, i think your idea >>> >>> with highway=service + service=slow_vehicle_turnout would make sense. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Markus >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Dave Swarthout >>> >> Homer, Alaska >>> >> Chiang Mai, Thailand >>> >> Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Tagging mailing list >>> >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Tagging mailing list >>> > Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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