Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-28 Thread Warin
The problem ??? A 'show' is an event. Assume that the place is tagged correctly. How would an event be tagged? I think for me the best fit is as a node - that sits within the area where it is held. The some tags such as; event:date=easter/xmass/25 Dec/* event:function=anual_show/agricult

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-28 Thread John Sturdy
I'd call such a place a "fairground" or "showground", but I'm not sure whether it would come under "tourism", "leisure", or "amenity". I'm not so keen on "landuse" for it, as the land may also be used for something else. A particular example is the Cappamore Agricultural Show in Ireland; its locat

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-28 Thread John Willis via Tagging
> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> this would interfere the least with existing mapping. > I think existing mapping would ignore the tagging completely. If people are tagging for the renderer by naming Landuse features or amenities the name of the festiv

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-28 Thread John Willis via Tagging
> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Why limited to outdoor only? Because then we would just be mapping events held inside event halls. They are not worth mapping because they do not alter the OSM data. If a farmland becomes a parking lot, if a road become

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-27 Thread Warin
Some questions... and observations. On 28/2/20 10:48 am, John Willis via Tagging wrote: I can’t see why we can’t create a simple tourism=outdoor_event pin at the location of the event and list it’s time in something like event=seasonal/ date / existing time mapping, and could use admin_level f

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-27 Thread John Willis via Tagging
I can’t see why we can’t create a simple tourism=outdoor_event pin at the location of the event and list it’s time in something like event=seasonal/ date / existing time mapping, and could use admin_level for scale - and use additional tags ina relation for larger events or micromapping. we hav

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020, Marc Gemis wrote: > What about music festivals? I live close to the area that hosts one of > the biggest festivals in the world: Tomorrowland. [1] > The festival takes place in a former quarry, which is a park for the > rest of the year, although it hosts some smalle

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-26 Thread Marc Gemis
What about music festivals? I live close to the area that hosts one of the biggest festivals in the world: Tomorrowland. [1] The festival takes place in a former quarry, which is a park for the rest of the year, although it hosts some smaller yearly events as well. The festival started as a one-day

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Andy Townsend
On 25/02/2020 22:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race is held once a year, but they are mapped as a motor racing track, with a description "whatever race held the first weekend of October". The more normal mapping approach is like i

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Warin
On 26/2/20 9:57 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 08:36, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race is held once a year, but they are mapped as a motor ra

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 08:36, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race is held > once a year, but they are mapped as a motor racing track, with a > description "whatever race held the first weekend of Octo

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Warin
On 26/2/20 9:35 am, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Feb 25, 2020, 23:16 by graemefi...@gmail.com: On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 16:56, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events, but we do ma

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Warin
On 26/2/20 1:35 am, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 05:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: These shows do take place at a permanent site. They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted. The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually around t

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Feb 25, 2020, 23:16 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > > > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 16:56, Martin Koppenhoefer <> dieterdre...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events, but we do map >> places where events take (regularly) place. >> > > But I have seen

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 16:56, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events, but we do map > places where events take (regularly) place. > But I have seen a few places on the map where a street motor race is held once a year, but they are mapped as a mot

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 05:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > These shows do take place at a permanent site. > > They take place annually, floods, fire, droughts and wars excepted. > > The dates may vary depending on various things, but usually around the same > time each year. > > They are

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Warin
On 25/2/20 6:09 pm, Jez Nicholson wrote: Temporal events really do not belong in OSM. I can see a good argument for Parkruns (the route exists in between runs and is used every week), or for annual shows held on a permanent showground, Christmas markets less so. Delete it. These shows do t

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Jez Nicholson
Absolutely, I have no wish to delete Chistmas markets. A strong case has been made for their cultural significance in Germany. On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:25 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 25. Feb 2020, at 08:10, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Christmas markets less so. >

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Feb 2020, at 08:10, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Christmas markets less so. > > Delete it. christmas features are quite established for example in Germany, have a look at taginfo: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/xmas:feature I can understand it is an edge cas

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-24 Thread Jez Nicholson
Temporal events really do not belong in OSM. I can see a good argument for Parkruns (the route exists in between runs and is used every week), or for annual shows held on a permanent showground, Christmas markets less so. Delete it. On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, 06:45 Graeme Fitzpatrick, wrote: > > On

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
generally, I thought that was agreed, we do not map events, but we do map places where events take (regularly) place. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 13:47, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > But this event seems to be similar to an American “county fair”, maybe? > There is entertainment, music, food, expositions of local crafts and > produce, equestrian events, etc, lasting a week or so? > All that, but "small" town are shows u

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-24 Thread Andrew Harvey
If it's on the same day every year on a predictable schedule, I guess it could be added, but if not I'd say no OSM isn't the best place for that kind of data. We don't map every single "Olympics" or "World Championship" sporting events. At the same time I've mapped Parkrun's which only popup week

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-24 Thread Warin
On 25/2/20 2:44 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: The tag tourism=attraction is poorly defined, but it is mainly used for permanent features, places that are year-round (or at least summer/winter season) attractions. I think it would be better to use a more specific tag for an annual event which la

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag tourism=attraction is poorly defined, but it is mainly used for permanent features, places that are year-round (or at least summer/winter season) attractions. I think it would be better to use a more specific tag for an annual event which lasts for days or weeks only. If it is an annual m

[Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-24 Thread Warin
Hi, A mapper has entered data concerning an annual show. There was no main tag to it, so I have re-tagged it as Node: Cobargo Show (7107663569)     "name"="Cobargo Show"     "opening_hours"="Annual Show, see website for times."     "tourism"="attraction"     "website"="https://www.cobargoshow.