Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-30 Thread Jérôme Seigneuret
This subject look like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks Names are not only trademarks but same rules are applied. We have to contextualize. Le lun. 30 déc. 2019 à 13:57, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 07:05, Marc Gemis wrote: > >> > That

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-30 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 07:05, Marc Gemis wrote: > > That said, on the ALDI UK website, only the logo depicts "ALDI." > Everywhere > > else on the page that the company name is rendered as ordinary text it > is "Aldi." > > But the German sites (https://aldi.de/ and >

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-29 Thread Marc Gemis
> That said, on the ALDI UK website, only the logo depicts "ALDI." Everywhere > else on the page that the company name is rendered as ordinary text it is > "Aldi." But the German sites (https://aldi.de/ and https://www.aldi-nord.de/unternehmen/verantwortung.html) seem to use ALDI (or ALDI Nord)

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-29 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 00:02, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > I think this comes down to OSM's "use the commonly used name" > guideline (or "common usage" guideline) which I don't think has ever > been firmly defined. As I understand it's always been on a "you know > when you see it" basis, and

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-29 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 16:24, bkil wrote: > We had the same argument over a local mailing list and another idea came up: > some of the signage you see and many of their own website use the given > capitalization for stylistic purposes. But the question remains: why isn't a > map using

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-29 Thread marc marc
Le 29.12.19 à 22:23, bkil a écrit : > What do you think about these? if the value is an abbreviation, then it's a short_name (but brand doesn't have a short_brand key, in this case it's normal to put the abbreviation in uppercase in brand=*) if the value is not an abbreviation, I will use the

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-29 Thread bkil
I find it amusing that some of the other big map providers have chosen a different "canonical" capitalization of the same trademarks. So they either are not canonical after all, or we misunderstood the meaning of the name=* key all along. I think when deciding such issues, we would need to share

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Dec 2019, at 19:26, Markus wrote: > > If we enter names exactly as they appear on signs, we would have to > change all place names to all caps in Italy, France and likely in > other countries too. as a general rule, all names exactly as they appear on signs does

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-15 Thread Markus
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 21:30, Clifford Snow wrote: > > I would favor adding the name exactly as it appears in a sign, even including > punctuation marks if it's in their sign. [...] > > Newspapers have a different reason for changing case and even dropping > punctuation marks, readability. OSM

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 22:16, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I agree, there are some more examples like IBM and BP. The capitalization > of the _name_ should be like it is used (and likely registered). I was hoping (with no expectation of success) that nobody would open the BP can of worms.

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Dec 2019, at 21:30, Clifford Snow wrote: > > I would favor adding the name exactly as it appears in a sign, even including > punctuation marks if it's in their sign. For example AT AT at one time > was an abbreviation for American Telephone & Telegraph but they

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 11:20 AM Markus wrote: > On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 01:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > > > When that is how the business name is shown, what is our policy for it? > > I thought we had a policy for it, but i can't fine one. It's probably > rather an observation that names

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Markus
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 01:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > When that is how the business name is shown, what is our policy for it? I thought we had a policy for it, but i can't fine one. It's probably rather an observation that names in all caps are mapped in title case except for acronyms. I

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
14 Dec 2019, 13:57 by pla16...@gmail.com: >> On the wider topic of writing names as they are on the sign, I would >> agree with this up to a certain point. It is entirely possible for a >> business to name itself "Fred's Bagels the BEST Bagels in Northern >> California Inc", at which point I

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 11:21, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 14.12.19 01:57, Paul Allen wrote: > > How does the company itself capitalize its own name? Paint the label. > > Even if it's an ugly label. > > I tend to view capitalisation as a design element not a part of the > name. If they write their

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 14.12.19 01:57, Paul Allen wrote: > How does the company itself capitalize its own name?  Paint the label.  > Even if it's an ugly label. I tend to view capitalisation as a design element not a part of the name. If they write their name in Comic Sans then I won't try to copy that either,

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
14 Dec 2019, 07:31 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 16:27, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com> > > wrote: > >> In case of signs using capital letters >> but people in real use (outside ads and >> official documents) use it without >> capital letters  >> > > In this

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 16:27, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > In case of signs using capital letters > but people in real use (outside ads and > official documents) use it without > capital letters > In this particular case, I don't know how other people refer to them, but their premises sign,

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
How people are referring to this one? Are they also using capitalized form? In case of signs using capital letters but people in real use (outside ads and official documents) use it without capital letters I would treat it as a font choice and use name=Pacific In case of mixed use I would go

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Warin
On 14/12/19 13:12, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 11:26, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: BHP is an abbreviation, yet many simply know it by the abbreviation. HSBC bank also uses capitols. & both of those, as well as BP, ABC,

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 11:26, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > BHP is an abbreviation, yet many simply know it by the abbreviation. > > HSBC bank also uses capitols. > & both of those, as well as BP, ABC, CNN & a host of others would all error in Osmose! I can't open it today

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 10:58, Paul Allen wrote: > > How does the company itself capitalize its own name? Paint the label. > Even if it's > an ugly label. > Thanks. I happen to actually know this company, & the way it operates, & in this case, nothing would surprise me :-( Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Warin
On 14/12/19 11:57, Paul Allen wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 00:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: When that is how the business name is shown, what is our policy for it? How does the company itself capitalize its own name? Paint the label.  Even if it's

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 00:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > When that is how the business name is shown, what is our policy for it? > How does the company itself capitalize its own name? Paint the label. Even if it's an ugly label. -- Paul ___

[Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Recently been clearing some Osmose errors in our area. One that's appeared a couple of times is that the name of this particular business is shown in all capital letters eg PACIFIC. When that is how the business name is shown, what is our policy for it? Thanks Graeme