Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-03 Thread fly
Some parts are still valid and not off topic. As material:wikidata shows that we need to well define the usage of *:wikidata. On the other hand we already the wiki as data base for tags and their values. So if we stay with material or surface adding link to wikidata in the value description

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-04-02 0:46 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: I'm not so sure about operator:wikidata=* (or wikidata:operator=* as suggested on the wiki talk page) and the other similar tags like that. I think this should be discussed more since the current set of proposed supplementary

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-04-02 6:10 GMT+02:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: The last URL I used for OSM is http://www.palogne.be and I would like to know how I can find the corresponding Wikidata ID to go alongside. That's one of the strengths of Wikidata over Wikipedia. In wikidata you just have to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-04-02 10:47 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: I think these tags are essential because the wikidata tag should be used very carefully. People are probably going to start tagging McDonalds restaurants with wikidata=Q38076 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q38076. That is (maybe not so

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Jo
I've been experimenting with wikidata tagging in OSM a bit lately. One doubt I have is when tagging tombstones with subject:wikidata. Is that correct? Normally that one is used when an artistic image is made of someone. What if it's a family grave with more than one 'subject'? What if it's only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-04-02 12:24 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: Then we could use wikidata:brand= +1, or maybe brand:wikidata? Has the advantage to have all brand referers in one block when sorting alphabetically. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 April 2014 11:31, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: or rather brand:wikidata (which is already in the list) Please see the proposal's talk page for discussion of how to order the componets of sub-tags: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Wikidata#Order_of_parts --

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 2 April 2014 09:47, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think these tags are essential because the wikidata tag should be used very carefully. People are probably going to start tagging McDonalds restaurants with wikidata=Q38076. That is (maybe not so obviously) wrong because that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread nounours77
Very interesting and important discussion. Are you all aware of that one of the main subjects of the next wikimedia hackthon in May in Zurich is about this? Maybe it is interesting to discuss this subject in Zurich? Like send the worked proposal to the people there or something?? nounours77

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-04-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Is the assumption that one Wikidata object should correspond to at most one OSM object? If so, it would be good to make that assumption explicit. I wrote exactly that here:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Jo
In order to apply the name:etymology:wikidata=Q... tags, I created associatedStreet relations for most cases. Polyglot 2014-04-02 14:47 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2014-04-02 13:46 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Is the assumption that one Wikidata object

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 02.04.2014 12:24, Jo wrote: I've been experimenting with wikidata tagging in OSM a bit lately. One doubt I have is when tagging tombstones with subject:wikidata. Is that correct? wikipedia:subject is mentioned on the German wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Friedhofmapping

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-04-02 14:47 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: For example, one street is often made of several parts that have the same name. If we were strict with that rule, we would use relations for all streets (which isn't practical). it isn't practical to create them for all streets, but

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-04-02 15:35 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: it isn't practical to create them for all streets, but my guess is it would well be doable for all streets with a wikidata correspondent. The same for rivers (where it would be generally desirable to have a common object,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 April 2014 13:05, nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com wrote: Very interesting and important discussion. Thank you. Are you all aware of that one of the main subjects of the next wikimedia hackthon in May in Zurich is about this? Maybe it is interesting to discuss this subject in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 April 2014 13:47, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: There shouldn't be more than one Openstreetmap item with the same Wikidata ID. Although that's not entirely possible. There is also the case of sets; for example, four carvings which form a single artwork, but which are mapped as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-02 0:46 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: I'm not so sure about operator:wikidata=* (or wikidata:operator=* as suggested on the wiki talk page) and the other similar tags like that. I think this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 April 2014 15:56, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 2 April 2014 13:47, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: There shouldn't be more than one Openstreetmap item with the same Wikidata ID. Although that's not entirely possible. There is also the case of sets One might

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-04-02 16:56 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: There is also the case of sets; for example, four carvings which form a single artwork, but which are mapped as separate entities. You could put the four carvings into a relation, and put the wikidata tag there (along with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Jo
I'm afraid I don't fully understand the reasoning behind OSM having its own wikidata DB. What extra (different) data would we store in it, which couldn't go in Wikidata? I understand it in the case of Commons to store metadata like diaphragma and lenses used when taking those pictures. Oh, maybe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-02 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think our own wikibase could be used to give a more structured semantic meaning of tags, and combinations of tags. For example, we want to define what a McDonalds restaurant is in our database. Is it a node with name=McDonalds? Well, a parking lot could be named the same. Is it a way with

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
I commend this proposal to the list: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 01.04.2014 19:04, Andy Mabbett wrote: I commend this proposal to the list: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata I like Wikidata and therefore want to see this proposal approved. :) What I'm interested in, though: If an object exists both in Wikipedia and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-01 Thread John Packer
If an object exists both in Wikipedia and Wikidata, would you expect both tags to be used? Wikipedia links can be obtained from the Wikidata API for a given Wikidata ID and vice versa, so one of the two would suffice. It might seem redundant but the key wikipedia shouldn't be removed when

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Wikidata

2014-04-01 Thread André Pirard
On 2014-04-01 23:17, Tobias Knerr wrote : On 01.04.2014 19:04, Andy Mabbett wrote: I commend this proposal to the list: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata I like Wikidata and therefore want to see this proposal approved. :) What I'm interested in, though: If an