gt; Original proposal:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
>
> Some people have suggested tagging hot springs with natural=spring and a
> spring=hot subtag, but hot springs have a quite different geological origin
> and cultural significance. The wiki page fo
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 10:15:56 +1000
From: Graeme Fitzpatrick
To: OSM Tag
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Hot springs and Geysers
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 09:44, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
There are now over 500 hot springs mapped with natural=hot_spring. The tag
was proposed way back in 2008 but the
g was proposed way back in 2008 but the proposal was never approved.
>> Wiki:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dhot_spring
>> Original proposal:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
>>
>
> Yep, sounds like a good idea
&
proved. Wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dhot_spring
Original proposal:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
Yep, sounds like a good idea
Some people have suggested tagging hot springs with natural=spring
and a spring=hot subta
nal proposal:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
>
Yep, sounds like a good idea
>
> Some people have suggested tagging hot springs with natural=spring and a
> spring=hot subtag, but hot springs have a quite different geological origin
> and cultural s
people have suggested tagging hot springs with natural=spring and a
spring=hot subtag, but hot springs have a quite different geological origin
and cultural significance. The wiki page for natural=spring has a link to
hot spring:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dspring
Geysers are
To me, Amenity=onsen is similar to amenity=townhall.
for many onsen, there is no particular room you would say is " the onsen," just
like no particular room is the "townhall", It is the title of the facility
itself.. The purpose of the facility becomes it's name.
There might be some small fac
> not sure but usually the sauna in public baths is somewhat separated so
> we might as well tag part of the object as sauna.
Yes, this is a very difficult point. I also could not define which is
better.
Maybe depending on the situation and country.
But from Japanese view, Onsen's main feature is
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 01:44:30PM +0900, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
> > John
> > some onsen are not associated with hot springs, but have hot sand instead.
> Yes, but they are rare case.
> Most of onsen are hot water bath.
> So might be represented by adding following sub_tags.
>
> bath:sand_bath=[yes|n
read, some onsen are not
> associated with hot springs, but have hot sand instead.
>
>
> --
> *From:* Martin Koppenhoefer
> *Sent:* March 7, 2014 7:34:57 AM CST
>
> *To:* "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <
> taggi
That's true - this is a specific pool, and would be an amenity offered, usually
to the public next to the sidewalk out front ( usually anyone walking by can
stick them in) not an overall feature - like a drinking fountain. Sometimes
they are inside, in a common waiting area, so if you decide not
2014-03-07 17:29 GMT+01:00 Satoshi IIDA :
> * bath:type = foot_bath
> ** foot_bath is usually are a (free) service offered in the front of the
> onsen to passerbys. It's very shallow, and surrounded by seats, it's like a
> big sink, rather than a pool. "Ashiyu" in Japanese.
> http://en.wikipedia.o
: [Tagging] Hot springs
2014-03-07 13:12 GMT+01:00 johnw :
> well hot diggity-dog. There we go.
+1,
in your case I think I'd most probably use "onsen" to have a very specific
tag for the very specific feature you are trying to map, something like
"hot spring bath" is
Thx all!
I'm very surprised Onsen is in the Oxford Dictionary :)
So I would add following description table and some samples to
"amenity=public_bath" page in next a few days.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpublic_bath
* bath:type = onsen
** amenity has bathing amenity, and the w
2014-03-07 13:12 GMT+01:00 johnw :
> well hot diggity-dog. There we go.
+1,
in your case I think I'd most probably use "onsen" to have a very specific
tag for the very specific feature you are trying to map, something like
"hot spring bath" is not as specific as "onsen" (e.g. also refering to
>>
> 'Onsen' is in the Oxford Dictionary, defined as 'In Japan: a hot spring, esp.
> one thought to have medicinal properties; a hot spring resort'.
well hot diggity-dog. There we go.
Javbw
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On 07/03/2014 08:37, johnw wrote:
But I don't know the correct word to represent "Onsen" in English.
Is "[something]=hot_spring_bath" better?
XX=hot_spring_bath would be perfect.
I think, "Onsen" is the very unique word to represent "bathing
amenity, that water from natural hot spring".
So
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 12:38:14AM -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> Just saying:
>
> Tradition among both cavers and hot springs bathing enthusiasts is to
> keep quiet about locations,
> passing the word though caving societies and word of mouth. Why?
> Because caves and hot springs
> that become we
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 05:45:51PM +0900, johnw wrote:
>
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
>
> > I know of a number of each type of facility that I won't be adding to
> > the map
>
>
> This is for an amenity for a building - like Sauna. not a natural=hot_spring
> (which is wh
On Mar 7, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> I know of a number of each type of facility that I won't be adding to
> the map
This is for an amenity for a building - like Sauna. not a natural=hot_spring
(which is what you are talking about), so cool your waters.
Searching the word "onse
Just saying:
Tradition among both cavers and hot springs bathing enthusiasts is to
keep quiet about locations,
passing the word though caving societies and word of mouth. Why?
Because caves and hot springs
that become well known get trashed, crowded, muggled, and/or shut down
due to the above.
I
> But I don't know the correct word to represent "Onsen" in English.
> Is "[something]=hot_spring_bath" better?
XX=hot_spring_bath would be perfect.
> I think, "Onsen" is the very unique word to represent "bathing amenity, that
> water from natural hot spring".
> So, I would like to hear the si
Hello,
> John
> an onsen doesn't necessarily have water available, but, if water is
available, it must be from a hot spring?
Correct.
> Onsen is not English word
Exactly.
But I don't know the correct word to represent "Onsen" in English.
Is "[something]=hot_spring_bath" better?
I think, "Onsen"
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 01:15:13AM +0100, Peter Wendorff wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> Am 05.03.2014 21:50, schrieb Richard Z.:
> > On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 12:58:51PM -0600, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> >> I don't see anything in that definition that says the heat from within the
> >> earth has to be a m
Hi Richard,
Am 05.03.2014 21:50, schrieb Richard Z.:
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 12:58:51PM -0600, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>> I don't see anything in that definition that says the heat from within the
>> earth has to be a minimum distance below the surface in order to be classed
>> as geothermal.
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 12:58:51PM -0600, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> I don't see anything in that definition that says the heat from within the
> earth has to be a minimum distance below the surface in order to be classed
> as geothermal. Volcanism is a subset of geothermal, where the hot material
ssage
From: "Richard Z."
Sent: March 5, 2014 12:08:26 PM CST
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Hot springs
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 09:24:24AM -0600, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> In what sense is volcanic heat not geothermal?
In som
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 01:56:57AM +0900, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
> * Onsen without lodging
> amenity=public_bath
> leisure=onsen
so in this combination which object would you tag with leisure=onsen,
the water pool? The same object which is also tagged with public_bath?
Looking at https://wiki.opens
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 09:24:24AM -0600, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> In what sense is volcanic heat not geothermal?
In some sense you could argue that volcanos are also heated by geothermal
heat but the details are very different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_(geology)#Heat_sources
<>
> Am 05/mar/2014 um 17:56 schrieb Satoshi IIDA :
>
> The water of "onsen" bathing amenity is from always natural.
> And in precise, it is upper 25'C and must have mineral element. (by law)
>
> Not from natural water bathing amenity, it must be called "Sento (bath house,
> rough meaning "Bath w
d translate the term as "hot
spring". Also, I was under the impression that the standard in OSM was to use
British terminology in tags.
Original Message
From: Satoshi IIDA
Sent: March 5, 2014 10:56:57 AM CST
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
Hello,
> * does onsen water always come from natural hot springs?
Yes.
The water of "onsen" bathing amenity is from always natural.
And in precise, it is upper 25'C and must have mineral element. (by law)
Not from natural water bathing amenity, it must be called "Sento (bath
house, rough meaning
2014-03-05 12:36 GMT+01:00 Richard Z. :
> I can only direct you to the wikipedia article:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_%28geology%29
>
as this starts to go slightly offtopic I enjoy posting also this wikipedia
reference which might be interesting in the context:
http://en.wikipedia.
In what sense is volcanic heat not geothermal?
Original Message
From: "Richard Z."
Sent: March 5, 2014 3:37:52 AM CST
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Hot springs
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 12:44:40AM +0100, Henning S
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 11:01:50AM +0100, Peter Wendorff wrote:
> Aren't volcanos exactly what geothermal refers to, only near or at the
> surface instead of deep down in the earth?
apparently not, I can only direct you to the wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_%28geology%
Hi Richard,
Aren't volcanos exactly what geothermal refers to, only near or at the
surface instead of deep down in the earth?
IMHO geothermal refers to "using the thermal energy (aka heat) of the
earth", which of course in general is higher if you go deeper down, but
the temperature per depth is va
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 10:06:45AM +0900, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
> > So the idea is to have
> > natural=hot_spring - the hole in earth where hot water is comming out
> I see :)
>
> So I prefer to switch the icon from Onsen icon ♨ to another ones.
> it ♨ maybe to use for leisure/amenity scheme.
anoth
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 12:44:40AM +0100, Henning Scholland wrote:
> Am 03.03.2014 23:45, schrieb Richard Z.:
> >>> All together, I am not really sure if it is smart to split
> >>> springs by temperature.
> > not by temperature, which is very subjective as explained in the
> > rationale. Where a sp
PS: the onsen icon (♨) is always for an amenity - a hotel or resort that offers
a hot spring bath, or a purpose-built, stand alone structure (crude or ornate)
just to provide a bathing experience - but it is not just a hole in the ground
with a rope around it. It is always an amenity offered by
The onsen icon (♨) is commonly used all over Japan (of course), and is a great
icon (a hot bath with steam rising out) to represent a place to get a hot
natural bath vs a natural park's hot-spring. "Onsen" always means naturally
sourced hot water as well, vs a bathhouse (amenity=spa? showers?),
> So the idea is to have
> natural=hot_spring - the hole in earth where hot water is comming out
I see :)
So I prefer to switch the icon from Onsen icon ♨ to another ones.
it ♨ maybe to use for leisure/amenity scheme.
2014-03-04 21:10 GMT+09:00 Richard Z. :
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:50:30
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Am 03.03.2014 23:45, schrieb Richard Z.:
>>> All together, I am not really sure if it is smart to split
>>> springs by temperature.
> not by temperature, which is very subjective as explained in the
> rationale. Where a spring is localy known as hot sp
On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:50:30PM +0900, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
> Hi,
>
> +1 to Tobias.
>
> I feel it needs clarification for this tag scope.
>
> I think it was "leisure=hot_spring" once,
> and switched to "natural=hot_spring".
exactly.
> So the main purpose of this scheme is now "natural".
> L
(and in case anyone's not aware) "sulfur" would be "sulphur" in British
English.
Cheers,
Andy
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On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 07:35:02AM +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> Speaking as a chemist, the term "sulfuric" would imply strong acidity as in
> sulfuric acid. What you're looking for I believe is a term to indicate if
> the water smells bad or not. Many hot springs have a rotten egg smell lent
> to
Hi,
+1 to Tobias.
I feel it needs clarification for this tag scope.
I think it was "leisure=hot_spring" once,
and switched to "natural=hot_spring".
So the main purpose of this scheme is now "natural".
Like to represent a geyser or some natural features, it seems.
So it is better to make another
On 02.03.2014 13:58, Richard Z. wrote:
>> I have significantly changed
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
>> with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and
>> enhancments.
>
> just to clarify, among other changes I changed it from leisure
Speaking as a chemist, the term "sulfuric" would imply strong acidity as in
sulfuric acid. What you're looking for I believe is a term to indicate if
the water smells bad or not. Many hot springs have a rotten egg smell lent
to the water by dissolved hydrogen sulfide (H2S), some of which escapes
in
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 01:53:48PM +0100, nounours77 wrote:
>
> > I have significantly changed
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
> > with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and
> > enhancments.
>
>
> Dear Richard,
>
> thanks for y
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 08:14:42PM +0100, fly wrote:
> Well, think it might get tricky. I know places where you will find
> several springs right next to each other. Some are hot, some are warm
> and some are cold. All have different contents not depending on the
> temperature.
that is fine. The
;Richard Z."
Sent: March 3, 2014 1:42:20 PM CST
To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Hot springs
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 01:29:06PM +, Dan S wrote:
> 2014-03-03 12:53 GMT+00:00 nounours77 :
> >
> >> I have significantly change
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 01:29:06PM +, Dan S wrote:
> 2014-03-03 12:53 GMT+00:00 nounours77 :
> >
> >> I have significantly changed
> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
> >> with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and
> >> enhancment
On 03.03.2014 13:53, nounours77 wrote:
>
>> I have significantly changed
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
>> with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and
>> enhancments.
>
>
> Dear Richard,
>
> thanks for your initiative. I agree w
2014-03-03 12:53 GMT+00:00 nounours77 :
>
>> I have significantly changed
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
>> with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and
>> enhancments.
>
>
> Dear Richard,
>
> thanks for your initiative. I agree with
> I have significantly changed
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
> with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and
> enhancments.
Dear Richard,
thanks for your initiative. I agree with your arguments why a specific tag
"natural=hot_spr
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 01:28:28PM +0100, Richard Z. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have significantly changed
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
> with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and
> enhancments.
just to clarify, among other changes I c
Hi,
I have significantly changed
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring
with the intention to revive the proposal - thanks for any comments and
enhancments.
Richard
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