Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-06 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2012-12-03 20:27, Ole Nielsen wrote : BTW, I'm not sure how useful the wet tag (old style or new style) is. You will need some damn precise and detailed weather forecasts for a route planner to be able to use such information. And usually it is only fairly short sections of highway having

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl wrote: I intentionally chose not to deprecate maxspeed:wet as I had the feeling that doing so might upset some people and I didn't want such minor issues to affect the voting process. Of course I will recommend to use the conditional

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Ronnie Soak
Of course It's not the first time I see such process : propose a new tag, do not say it would deprecate anything until vote is accepted (or - if you don't like vote : consensus is reached, or no more complains), wait few months, change the wiki from do not deprecate to recommend to

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/12/4 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com: Are you against changing things in general or do you like to always cut off old schemes completely without legacy support? Because the described way is about the best solution I could come up with that both allows change and gives the crowd

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: Are you against changing things in general ... ? Not if the intent is clearly to deprecate an existing tag. I'm against liars writing in the wiki that they won't change any existing tags until their proposal is

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Martin Vonwald
Before we use some strong words lets take a look at the issue: according to taginfo maxspeed:wet is used 602 times. You may subtract one or two hundred as I added them. So we are talking about a tag that's currently used less than 500 times and without a known (at least I dont know one)

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/12/4 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com: Before we use some strong words lets take a look at the issue: according to taginfo maxspeed:wet is used 602 times. You may subtract one or two hundred as I added them. So we are talking about a tag that's currently used less than 500 times and

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 04.12.2012 13:31, Pieren wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com wrote: Are you against changing things in general ... ? Not if the intent is clearly to deprecate an existing tag. I'm against liars writing in the wiki that they won't change any

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/12/4 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Also please don't forget that maxspeed:wet is up to this second completely undocumented. it is documented, you get lots of hits in the wiki when searching for it, e.g. here:

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-04 Thread Rob Nickerson
Quiet often if such a change is made (does not deprecate - recommend to stop using) it is by someone other than the original proposal author. Irrespective of this the proposal procedure is a RFC - Request For Change - process. What it does is to say hey guys, I think we should change this, if you

[Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi all, What is the status of maxpeed:wet? Is it now deprecated in favour of maxspeed:conditional or is it a valid shortcut? Any opinions? Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-03 Thread Rob Nickerson
The conditional access restrictions proposal did not specify that this :wet tag suffix would be deprecated (in fact it stated quite the opposite). From a developers point of view however, it is beneficial if we use a consistent tagging scheme, which is what the conditional tag was designed to

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Vonwald (Imagic)
Hi! Am 03.12.2012 um 20:27 schrieb Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl: I intentionally chose not to deprecate maxspeed:wet as I had the feeling that doing so might upset some people and I didn't want such minor issues to affect the voting process. Of course I will recommend to use the conditional

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/12/3 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl: BTW, I'm not sure how useful the wet tag (old style or new style) is. neither am I You will need some damn precise and detailed weather forecasts for a route planner to be able to use such information. but getting the info from the sensors that it

Re: [Tagging] Status of maxspeed:wet

2012-12-03 Thread Colin Smale
pOn 2012-12-03 20:27, Ole Nielsen wrote:/p pgt; BTW, I'm not sure how useful the wet tag (old style or new style) is./p pIn France the speed limit on motorways is 130 when dry and 110 when wet. I don't know what the legal definition of wet is for these purposes. I do know I would not like to