Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-22 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Binomial names are written with a capital a space and a lowercased second word. It's not a finite set, as it is even possible to mention cultivars. It is not finite but it is standardized. Then, translations can be automated in

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I also found a related key formal documentation about taxon: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:taxon which deprecates species and replaces genus by taxon:genus. Again more inconsistencies in our documentation... +1, it would be nice if alternatives

[Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Pieren
I just discover in the wiki the natural=tree enhancemens and especially a (new) concept about tagging translations: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tree The speciies and genus keys have to be fulfilled in latin and other tags supply translations: species=Juglans regia (this is the latin

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Pieren. On the one hand I agree with you, that using latin in species without specifying a language code differs from the way it is done with name and name:* tags. On the other hand latin AFAIK is the common language to name plant species all over the world, and - differing from english

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: +1. It's not a Latin name, but the scientific name itself. Okay for latin ... but OSM shouldn't be reserved for experts imo. I'm afraid that this sub-tag will need a systematic translation to human readable text in

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
Pieren wrote: species=Juglans regia (this is the latin species name for common walnut) species:en=Common Walnut species:de=Echte Walnuss Is that a correct approach for internationalization ? Until now, a tag was basically in english (like amenity=school) and if you want to display its

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Chris Hill
On 18/08/11 10:46, Pieren wrote: I just discover in the wiki the natural=tree enhancemens and especially a (new) concept about tagging translations: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tree The speciies and genus keys have to be fulfilled in latin and other tags supply translations:

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: +1. It's not a Latin name, but the scientific name itself. Okay for latin ... but OSM shouldn't be reserved for experts imo. I'm afraid that this sub-tag will need a

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: surface=paved is just as precise as species=Juglans regia. It's up to the consumers to adapt it to their audience. Also, I'd expect that a Frenchmen understands that a certain road is paved without the need to call

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: surface=paved is just as precise as species=Juglans regia. It's up to the consumers to adapt it to their audience. Also, I'd expect that a Frenchmen understands that a

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Sander Deryckere
So most agree that the Latin name is the correct way of tagging. Tobias also suggests keeping the species:de/en/... for users that don't know the latin name or don't have the time to look it up. This seems to be the only valid reason to still use the species:en/de... tag, but I believe this would

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: natural=tree species=Quercus lanata And the natural=tree enters in conflict with the landuse=orchard documentation: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dorchard Merging both solutions would resutl in

Re: [Tagging] Translating tags into the database itself ?

2011-08-18 Thread Sander Deryckere
2011/8/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: natural=tree species=Quercus lanata And the natural=tree enters in conflict with the landuse=orchard documentation: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dorchard