Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

21 Oct 2020, 22:00 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > On 16/10/2020 09:31, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> Oct 15, 2020, 22:18 by >> tagging@openstreetmap.org>> : >> This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not he

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On 16/10/2020 09:31, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Oct 15, 2020, 22:18 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice (

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Am Mo., 19. Okt. 2020 um 22:17 Uhr schrieb Emvee via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > On 19/10/2020 11:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Martin, please do not even think about deprecating a tagging that is > > heavily used.like highway=crossing with bicycke=no|yes|dismount > > I do not call hig

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

19 paź 2020, 22:43 od tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice (if we like this or not is a different question, but it's established tagging, and the wiki is supposed to describ

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On 19/10/2020 11:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: Martin, please do not even think about deprecating a tagging that is heavily used.like highway=crossing with bicycke=no|yes|dismount I do not call highway=crossing with bicycle=no|dismount heavily used. On some locations the density is higher but on qu

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On 18/10/2020 10:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Oct 18, 2020, 10:27 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: Generally, I would propose to only tag crossin

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

19 paź 2020, 10:27 od dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 18. Oct 2020, at 10:39, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> Still, highway=crossing bicycle=no is an acceptable tagging (like you can >> map cemeteries or parks >> or churches as nodes in the first pass, especially when

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Martin, please do not even think about deprecating a tagging that is heavily used.like highway=crossing with bicycke=no|yes|dismount I am already ignoring the frequent JOSM Warning about the deprecated crossing=island which JOSM shows me everytime I download a stretch of road that contains this tag

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

sent from a phone > On 18. Oct 2020, at 10:39, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Still, highway=crossing bicycle=no is an acceptable tagging (like you can map > cemeteries or parks > or churches as nodes in the first pass, especially when there is no good > aerial imagery available) my preferen

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Oct 18, 2020, 01:53 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 17. Oct 2020, at 21:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> Nevertheless some crossings were mapped using highway=cycleway and >> bicycle=no on crossing >> nodes, probably because it is much less fiddly to map it. >> >

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Oct 18, 2020, 10:20 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > > Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to > pedestrian crossings > Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Oct 18, 2020, 10:27 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer <>> >> dieterdre...@gmail.com>> > wrote: >> >>> Generally, I would propose to only tagcrossing =* on >>>

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On 18/10/2020 07:46, Volker Schmidt wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: Generally, I would propose to only tag crossing =* on the crossing node, but refrain from access like tags on this node (no bicycle or foot tags). The a

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian crossings Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a pedestrians? Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are allowed but on crossing w

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

sent from a phone > On 18. Oct 2020, at 07:49, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >> Generally, I would propose to only tag crossing =* on the crossing node, but >> refrain from access like tags on this node (no bicycle or foot tags). The >> access should be derived from the crossing ways. > > > This

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Generally, I would propose to only tag crossing =* on the crossing node, > but refrain from access like tags on this node (no bicycle or foot tags). > The access should be derived from the crossing ways. > This statement is only correct

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

sent from a phone > On 17. Oct 2020, at 21:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Nevertheless some crossings were mapped using highway=cycleway and bicycle=no > on crossing > nodes, probably because it is much less fiddly to map it. Yes I know, one possible outcome of this discussion here would

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Oct 17, 2020, 00:17 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 16. Oct 2020, at 10:28, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> Not in cases where >> (1) highway=cycleway is crossing road where cyclists are obligated to >> dismount >> (2) highway=footway with bicycle=ye

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

sent from a phone > On 16. Oct 2020, at 10:28, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Not in cases where > (1) highway=cycleway is crossing road where cyclists are obligated to dismount > (2) highway=footway with bicycle=yes/designated is crossing road where > cyclists > are obligated t

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Oct 15, 2020, 22:18 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: >> This recent wiki change by >> Emvee >> >> is in my view not >> helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread >> tagging practice (if we like this or not is

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

sent from a phone > On 16. Oct 2020, at 00:00, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Single carriageway, but with a way segment added to the cycleway to carry the > signed `bicycle=dismount` restriction. at this point there is no shared way anymore, just nearby it is shared, because bicycle=dismount is

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Oct 15, 2020, 22:30 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > >>> Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian >>> crossings >>> >> Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together withpedestrians and >> cross road using crossing shared with apedestrians?

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Am 15.10.2020 um 22:18 schrieb Emvee via Tagging: This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice (if we like this or not is a different question, but it's establ

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:46 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 13. Oct 2020, at 23:42, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I changed the crossing to the way we do it in many parts of Europe, i.e. a > crossing node *and* a crossing way. > > > > I thought the standard was highway=crossing on the nodes wher

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian crossings Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a pedestrians? Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are allowed but on crossing with road oneis supposed

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Also, what "to mean bicyle=no in node context" is exactly supposed to mean? (I am guess based on your earlier claim, but I am not sure whatever I guessed correctly) In node context means that the router only looks at the data belong to the node to decide what costs to add. See also the end of

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice (if we like this or not is a different question, but it's established tagging, and the wiki is supposed to describe

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

15 paź 2020, 09:42 od dieterdre...@gmail.com: > Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian crossings > Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk  together with pedestrians and cross road  using crossing shared with a pedestrians? Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are allow

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

sent from a phone > On 13. Oct 2020, at 23:42, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I changed the crossing to the way we do it in many parts of Europe, i.e. a > crossing node and a crossing way. I thought the standard was highway=crossing on the nodes where they cross the road and highway=footway with f

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 17:41 Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 22:16, Emvee via Tagging > wrote: > I changed the crossing to the way we do it in many parts of Europe, i.e. a > crossing node *and* a crossing way. This was described as an option on > the highway=crossing wiki page

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 22:16, Emvee via Tagging wrote: > On 13/10/2020 16:07, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > > I don't try to solve it. I put in a short way for the crossing. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/781981138 is the first example that > came to mind for me. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On 13/10/2020 16:07, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 8:07 AM OSM mailto:o...@bavarianmallet.de>> wrote: How to solve the issue with a single crossing node at highway= without a crossing highway= because of "sideway tagging by tags on highway" mapping? I don't try to

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

>> In the bouter github issue everybody (incl. the developer, but excluding >> Mateusz) do expect bicycle=no on a node to mean bicyle=no in node context. >> I was looking for where this first appeared and I failed (maybe it was quoted from start), but this claim is untrue see https://github.com

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 8:07 AM OSM wrote: > > How to solve the issue with a single crossing node at highway= > without a crossing highway= because of "sideway > tagging by tags on highway" mapping? > I don't try to solve it. I put in a short way for the crossing. https://www.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Am 10.10.2020 um 20:16 schrieb Emvee: Basic question I think, for a bicycle router bicycle=no on a node means it should "avoid" crossing the node likely by adding a moderate penalty as the cyclist could make the choice to dismount passing the node. I know at least on bicycle router implementing

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

I agree that splitting way and having short section as footway is also correct tagging and making data processing easier for router. Normally splitting is not needed but yes, for uncommon/strange situations the part of the way that is actually crossing the way can be tagged with the needed acc

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Oct 7, 2020, 23:01 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > The recent "meaning of highway=crossing + bicycle=no" thread makes the case > that it means "you cannot use this crossing to cross road while cycling, it > does not affect legality of cycling on the road" > > I think this is a bad idea as t

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Am 07.10.2020 um 23:01 schrieb Emvee via Tagging: Basic question I think, for a bicycle router bicycle=no on a node means it should "avoid" crossing the node likely by adding a moderate penalty as the cyclist could make the choice to dismount passing the node. I know at least on bicycle route

[Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

Basic question I think, for a bicycle router bicycle=no on a node means it should "avoid" crossing the node likely by adding a moderate penalty as the cyclist could make the choice to dismount passing the node. I know at least on bicycle router implementing it this way, see https://github.com/a